UK - Lucy Letby - Post-Conviction Statutory Inquiry

[Baby baby Jane]

Former head of HR Sue Hodkinson was really, really worried about......


Letby's mother, Susan Letby!

This is during the period of time that bereaved mums and dads were getting fobbed off, lied to or simply ignored.

2017 HR records have been uploaded to Thirlwall site

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0003529_03-05_09.pdf

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Head of HR also taking and returning calls from father John Letby to ' provide overviews' and ' update ' him.
Rees, de Beger, Kelly also involved in some of the 2017 meetings at the link . They are full of praise for LL and discuss Karen reading out LL's letter on LL's behalf ( The ' I have been exonerated letter)

Astounding really, that Head of HR (or anyone in HR), would be talking to a member of employees family. And getting involved in discussing family members “well being”

Maybe I just don’t understand how NHS operates, but this reeks of unprofessionalism and breaching confidentiality. There is NO benefit to employer to involving & getting into dialogue with an employee’s parents in a “performance” or employment issue. The employment relationship/contract is with employee only !!! Clowns running this hospital,

 

[cottonweaver]

Karen Rees today at Thirlwall - I felt bullied

Karen Rees records Oct 2016

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0002879_33-35.pdf

The triplets? ' lit the flame' in the witchhunt against Letby. Basically.

Karen was bullied, she said today. I dunno Karen but you sound quite forceful to me from the account above.

Anyway, Brearey calls her back
Brearey is now a professional, gently powerful, passive aggressive bully.

It's almost as if deeply dysfunctional and unprofessional people were drawn to take up cudgels for Letby and she was their only concern. Not any of those babies

 

[Tortoise]

oh my goodness, minutes of the meeting with Letby and her parents on 6 Feb 2017

LL "I expect four apologies"

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0005810_01-02.pdf

 

[Sweeper2000]

oh my goodness, minutes of the meeting with Letby and her parents on 6 Feb 2017

LL "I expect four apologies"

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0005810_01-02.pdf

That's the most contextually powerful thing I have read that she said. That's serious narc imo.

Eta. Almost sadist

 

[cottonweaver]

Karen Rees today at Thirlwall - I “pleaded” with a hospital executive to contact police

Karen Rees records Oct 2016 - same link as WS post 582 above

 

[Sweeper2000]

Karen Rees today at Thirlwall - I felt bullied

Karen Rees records Oct 2016

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0002879_33-35.pdf

The triplets? ' lit the flame' in the witchhunt against Letby. Basically.


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Karen was bullied, she said today. I dunno Karen but you sound quite forceful to me from the account above.

Anyway, Brearey calls her back
Brearey is now a professional, gently powerful, passive aggressive bully.
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It's almost as if deeply dysfunctional and unprofessional people were drawn to take up cudgels for Letby and she was their only concern. Not any of those babies

That sounds professional to me. Poor doc breary being persistent here and professional. Think he deserves some serious apologies.

ETA. Sounds more to me like he was doing everything right, he's not shouting etc he's being open, communicating properly, doing it right but still a "bully" no I'm not accepting that.

 

[cottonweaver]

That sounds professional to me. Poor doc breary being persistent here and professional. Think he deserves some serious apologies.

absolutely

I now understand why the next CEO - Susan Gilby who replaced Tony Chambers after he slunk off - described the NNU consultants as appearing to be under great psychological strain by the time Gilby arrived.
Years of obstruction and threats alongside trying to rescue the serial killers victims

Remember that Ian Harvey's parting shot when he retired/ scarpered was wtte of ' Don't forget to get them! Get the consultants reported to GMC'

 

[AcerPacer]

Please may I ask a Q?
Are many members of this thread still adamant LL is guilty?

 

[Tortoise]

Email from LL to Ian Harvey 9th Jan 2017

Dear Ian,

There is something that has been playing on my mind since receipt of my grievance statements that I am wondering if you could help me with.

Karen Rees was informed that a junior doctor 'openly tabled at a meeting' when discussing the increased mortality rates and my possible connection / involvement with this.

When Karen asked, the details of the doctor and the meeting were not provided. Is there an agenda or minutes which could be traced? I am interested to know who tabled this and who was present as they are potentially professionals that I will be working with in the future and feel that it is only fair for me to know.

I believe the meeting took place shortly after the deaths of the 2 triplets and involved senior and junior doctors.

I would appreciate any help you could offer.

Many thanks

Lucy Letby

INQ0057499 – email correspondence from Letby to Ian Harvey, Karen Rees and Hayley Cooper relating to Letby’s involvement in deaths, 09/01/2017 | The Thirlwall Inquiry

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk

 

[Tortoise]

Please may I ask a Q?
Are many members of this thread still adamant LL is guilty?

- Yes from me.

 

[cottonweaver]

September 2016 ( Letby's only been in Patient Safety for 2 months)
OTOH it's the longest that Letby has gone without attempting to murder or torture somebody's child, so two months can feel like forever

Head of Urgent Care fights for Letby to be reinstated. It's ' immoral '

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0002860_01.pdf

apols for the dark sarcasm earlier.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think in all there has only been doubt from one on her guilt of anything. Its a yes from me and probably everyone

 

[Highlandspring]

Can't believe I'd not seen that until I read that post. Excellent video.

Again, what comes over about her, and is the case with this video, is that she seems totally normal in the way 99% of the population are normal. Leaving aside the whole baby murdering thing there really isn't anything different, strange or unusual about her. Certainly nothing in her past that would tend to suggest that she was inclined towards the crimes she's been convicted of.

The police (I think it was) referred to her as "beige". I agree with that in the sense that she is unremarkable when compared to other people but I think it's not quite the correct word to use because I think it will be equated with "boring" or not very sociable and a bit of a loner. She certainly wasn't any of those things as she was clearly very sociable and outgoing. If she wasn't at work she was out with friends, eating, drinking and dancing.

I can see your point but seemingly she showed a few more antisocial traits than the average person including narcissism, lying, some grandiosity (talking about herself, interrupting and dobbing people in) and acting/faking - or 'masking' as the schoolmate said.

Yes we might all demonstrate those now and again but not enough for someone to be talking about it 10 years later. So I'd say 80% beige at most.

 

[cottonweaver]

Meeting 6 Feb 2017.

Mother Susan Letby absolutely must have her individual apologies from each consultant.
It's not just Letby herself
SL - mother Letby
JL - father
LL - serial killer
TC - Tony Chambers
Harvey, Kelly, Rees etc all there too - see link for details

Only 2 pages of 7 pages of the meeting minutes have been released

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0005810_01-02.pdf

 

[Sweeper2000]

Email from LL to Ian Harvey 9th Jan 2017

Dear Ian,

There is something that has been playing on my mind since receipt of my grievance statements that I am wondering if you could help me with.

Karen Rees was informed that a junior doctor 'openly tabled at a meeting' when discussing the increased mortality rates and my possible connection / involvement with this.

When Karen asked, the details of the doctor and the meeting were not provided. Is there an agenda or minutes which could be traced? I am interested to know who tabled this and who was present as they are potentially professionals that I will be working with in the future and feel that it is only fair for me to know.

I believe the meeting took place shortly after the deaths of the 2 triplets and involved senior and junior doctors.

I would appreciate any help you could offer.

Many thanks

Lucy Letby

INQ0057499 – email correspondence from Letby to Ian Harvey, Karen Rees and Hayley Cooper relating to Letby’s involvement in deaths, 09/01/2017 | The Thirlwall Inquiry

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk

I get the message with this but can someone inform me what she means by "openly tabled" please?

 

[Sweeper2000]

Meeting 6 Feb 2017.

Mother Susan Letby absolutely must have her individual apologies from each consultant.
It's not just Letby herself
SL - mother Letby
JL - father
LL - serial killer
TC - Tony Chambers
Harvey, Kelly, Rees etc all there too - see link for details

Only 2 pages of 7 pages of the meeting minutes have been released
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https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0005810_01-02.pdf

Omg this enquiry is as shocking as the original trial was horrifying. I can't believe what I'm reading.

Tops and props to Brearey, he was fighting.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Absolutely guilty and I do think they will charge her with more in due course.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I get the message with this but can someone inform me what she means by "openly tabled" please?

It’s to present an item for discussion at a meeting.
She wants to know which Jr Dr dared to raise (table) the issue

(and Karen R telling this to LL? And LL escalating it. )

 

[Sweeper2000]

It’s to present an item for discussion at a meeting.
She wants to know which Jr Dr dared to raise (table) the issue

(and Karen R telling this to LL? And LL escalating it. )

Fankooooo. Just to clarify she is asking to see if its doc choc right? The scheming snooping little Hellbag.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I’m not sure she is there sweep - she just wants to know exactly “ WHO “
Knowledge is power.
She knows she’s got DC in her pocket at this point.