GUILTY UK - Mikaeel Kular, 3, Edinburgh, Scotland, 15 Jan 2014 - #2

[zwiebel]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotla...ar-s-mother-lost-friend-in-shooting-1-3272716

Mikaeel's mother lost friend in a shooting last year (more at link)

OMG. A sub machine pistol? That is really not commonplace in the UK. Really not. At least, not when I was last there.

 

[nursebeeme]

Detectives have said that all immediate family members have been traced and spoken to by police.

"It has been extremely helpful to understand all the circumstances that have led up to his disappearance," ACC Graham said.

He added: "We have established a timeline of Mikaeel's movements going back for sometime prior to when we can establish that he was last seen in the house on Wednesday night.

"Now it is important for us that anybody who has got information about having seen Mikaeel comes forward and gives that to us.

"There is a timeline going back of when he has been seen by different people, but I am not able to go into the detail of that at the moment."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mikaeel-kular-missing-live-updates-3030802

from live updates 7:16 local time

 

[Fluttershy]

I was really hoping he'd be home safe before this got to two threads

I'm also very interested to know when the last time someone outside the family saw Mikaeel.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you for that nurse. 'All immediate family members traced' strongly suggests to me that Mikaeel's Dad has not gone off to Pakistan and taken Mikaeel with him.

I am still reeling about the children possibly being taken to school by someone whom a small gang hated enough to take a sub-machine gun to him (what IS that, by the way?).

 

[zwiebel]

Mom's unlucky with her photos. She seems to get caught blinking so she always looks a little dazed.

 

[lillybell]

Still no good news on little mikael?
It really seems he has vanished without a trace!! I really hope all the properties inside the block have been searched and searched again!!

Did I read that the search using the public has ended for night? There was a great number of volunteers earlier on the news, was good to see.

He has to be somewhere?? Are there any locals here, who no the area?
Still praying he's found safe.

 

[Crazy Mama]

I don think that it would be strange to keep him away from nursery, they usually ask you to keep your child home if they still show signs of illness or if they are still taking medication. It is not like school, most nurseries have younger and more vulnerable kids around. The parents don't like to see kids with sniffles, never mind a chest infection.

 

[stacemcace]

Thank you for that nurse. 'All immediate family members traced' strongly suggests to me that Mikaeel's Dad has not gone off to Pakistan and taken Mikaeel with him.

I am still reeling about the children possibly being taken to school by someone whom a small gang hated enough to take a sub-machine gun to him (what IS that, by the way?).

I hope it's OK to post this - if not I'll delete. This shooting seems to be drug related - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-25677016

 

[skibaboo]

Reporter demonstrates how the front door opens - 'Not easy' for missing boy to open doors in his flat

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-17/not-easy-for-missing-boy-to-open-doors-in-his-flat/

So the front door does open outwards. Maybe they do go both ways?

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Its Edinburgh, a city, there is lots of drugs about, plenty of coke and in the poorer areas lots of heroin or similar, there is also a lot of cannabis factories in and around that area of Edinburgh.

 

[lillybell]

I don think that it would be strange to keep him away from nursery, they usually ask you to keep your child home if they still show signs of illness or if they are still taking medication. It is not like school, most nurseries have younger and more vulnerable kids around. The parents don't like to see kids with sniffles, never mind a chest infection.

Yep, all of mine will have had periods of time off nursery, probably a week or more. We had the usual childhood illnesses, chicken pox etc, my middle one has asthma, so she has has times were a little cold has gone into a nasty chest infection pretty quick!

Also, when my youngest was at nursery, she only went 2 days a week. Some went 5 mornings or 5 afternoons, but my little girl done 2 full days instead of 5 half days.
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[skibaboo]

Reporter on sky news now "there seems to be a change in tone" to the investigation since the last update from police at 5.30pm

 

[hollye]

Okay so with the lock having been broken, would this allow Mikaeel to open the door more easily than if the lock were working properly? The back door is recessed in a short stairwell, whereas the front door is flush with the ground. It is much easier to push a door than it is too pull, especially for a young child.

ETA that according to the article linked,



BBM

So it sounds like the door only opens in, not out as has potentially been indicated. That makes more sense, as rarely do you see doors of this type swing outward.

I can't believe that I am sitting staring at doors.

Okay, so something is not right about these photos...

Scratch that!

ETA ~ I was actually mistaken. The door is swinging correctly. I was misinterpreting the photo.


2nd ~ The doors all have a "pull" handle on both the outside of the door and the inside, which leads me to believe that they may actually swing out. I am trying to find a photo to confirm that.

Additionally, I can't imagine that police would allow reporters inside the building to photograph the broken door lock at a potential crime scene, no?

This case is so puzzling!

 

[greengables]

Okay so with the lock having been broken, would this allow Mikaeel to open the door more easily than if the lock were working properly? The back door is recessed in a short stairwell, whereas the front door is flush with the ground. It is much easier to push a door than it is too pull, especially for a young child.

ETA that according to the article linked,



BBM

So it sounds like the door only opens in, not out as has potentially been indicated. That makes more sense, as rarely do you see doors of this type swing outward.

I noticed on Sky News last night that the door did open outwards but now I am unsure whether it was the front or back entrance, here is another picture from the Daily Mail showing one of the block's doors in the back ground opening out, can anyone tell if it is the front or back?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/17/article-2540440-1AB9188300000578-646_634x453.jpg

 

[SCHMAE]

Could just b reporting but strange saying he had been ill that day when more recent reports say had been unwell at least for a week, with not going to nursery since Xmas. So does this mean he was more ill on the Wednesday night necessitating moving his sister out of their bedroom ? Even more reason to find it odd that being very unwell he would get himself dressed and go outside into the cold

THIS ^^ I was already thinking the idea of him going out on his own was not too likely. If he's so sick he's not going to class at all, then does he really feel like an adventure in the middle of the night? I say close to 0% he took himself out of that apartment. Zero .... mooo

 

[nursebeeme]

Reporter on sky news now "there seems to be a change in tone" to the investigation since the last update from police at 5.30pm

oh my... what does that mean exactly!lease:

 

[zwiebel]

I have driven myself crazy looking for landfill sites in Edinburgh. Google maps on ipad keeps taking me to people's private residences. Do any locals know where the landfills are?

 

[skibaboo]

I can't believe that I am sitting staring at doors.

Okay, so something is not right about these photos...

1st ~ The door in the photo with the broken lock does not match the door that is on the back of the building. The photo shows the door swinging inward with the lock set on the inside of the door. From the inside, the hinge on the door in the photo is on the right side of the frame. Whereas the door for the back of their building has the hinge on the left side. Unless the photos are reversed, it is not the same door.


2nd ~ The doors all have a "pull" handle on both the outside of the door and the inside, which leads me to believe that they may actually swing out. I am trying to find a photo to confirm that.

Additionally, I can't imagine that police would allow reporters inside the building to photograph the broken door lock at a potential crime scene, no?

This case is so puzzling!

IKR hollye I am doing the same thing here :facepalm: One thing I have just noticed, the copyright says Deadline news, that is the site that I saw something on last night and I was unable to find it earlier and now I can't even remember what it was I was looking for... it's been a long day. but who are they? I've never heard of deadline news

 

[hollye]

Reporter demonstrates how the front door opens - 'Not easy' for missing boy to open doors in his flat

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-17/not-easy-for-missing-boy-to-open-doors-in-his-flat/

So the front door does open outwards. Maybe they do go both ways?

Thank you! Thank you! That was puzzling me (see above)!

Anyway, so on this particular building, building 26, across the street from building 13, where Mikaeel went missing, the lock mechanism is concealed by the frame of the door on the inside. There is no way that the door could swing inward, as the door is wider and would not fit through the frame to go inward.

At the end of the video, they also show police exiting building 9, where the door also swings outward.

HOWEVER, looking on Google Street View both doors on building 13 both appear to be slightly recessed from the frame, appearing to swing inward, instead of outward.

How odd!

 

[oushkaboo]

Reporter demonstrates how the front door opens - 'Not easy' for missing boy to open doors in his flat

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-17/not-easy-for-missing-boy-to-open-doors-in-his-flat/

So the front door does open outwards. Maybe they do go both ways?

Im undecided on this. My daughter is quite capable of pushing the door open to leave her nursery, the button is high up so an adult has to do it but, it only needs pushing once then the door is released for 5 seconds before relocking, so if you press it and decide not to leave it resecures automatically.
It looks like the reporter keeps pressing the button whilst he pushes the door open but it may only need one press.
My daughter (just 4) would have no problems with opening that door, she would push it with her bottom, just like she does at nursery (a new, heavy fire door with no glass - so likely heavier than this glass one) and has been able to since last summer.

That said I do not believe he left on his own but I can see why the police say its possible.