GUILTY UK - More abuse charges for Celtic coach going back 5 decades

  • #41
The timeline for Hugh Birt and John Cullen raises some questions. At the time, Hugh Birt was club photographer. Allegations of child abuse came to his attention and he tried to have action taken. He was then confronted by 2 known predators and vice chairman Kelly and forced out.

John Cullen replaced Birt as official photographer. Cullen was charged after a bin bag of 250 images of naked boys was found at Celtic park.

Did children raise concerns with Birt who was then forced out for trying to help? Or was Birt asked to photograph things he wasn’t happy about and that’s when he was forced out and replaced by somebody handpicked for the role of photographing naked boys?

Did boys raise concerns with Birt only to see the person they trusted be removed then replaced by somebody who is actually in on it all. Complete power.

Where was the photographer job advertised and who carried out interviews and employed Cullen?
 
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  • #42
Celtic have said they’re looking into allegations of sexual abuse at various times through the years. No victims spoken to and no findings made available. The earlier “investigations” may even have been used to see who knew what and who could be trusted to not act on that knowledge. Forcing out anybody who wasn’t into the sort of things that seem to have been prevalent throughout.

The later smoke and mirrors have been to limit damage to the brand and minimise the number of victims who feel able to come forward. They even claimed to be a separate entity to their boys club. There’s cases of the club denying victims ever played for them. The club also employed a company to clean this stuff off the internet which presumably is the reason many of these stories won’t appear on the news outlet sites and need to be read on 3rd party sites and apps.

The ultimate aim of the shenanigans may have been slightly different but all were just as harrowing for the victims. They all added to the secrecy that left boys with nowhere to turn for help when the country is supposedly encouraging victims to speak out to prevent people suffering in silence while more people fall victim.

A victim has won a case and been paid out in relation to McCafferty and plenty more will follow. It’s a pity the club is still putting victims through the torture 50 years after this started.

Excerpt from the Daily Mail, August 2019:


CELTIC have paid ‘significant’ compensation to a former player who suffered sexual abuse by a coach at the club.

McCafferty, who worked for Celtic, Hibernian and Falkirk, was jailed for six years and nine months in May after admitting a series of historic crimes against teenage boys when he appeared at the High Court in edinburgh.

The 73-year-old had admitted ten charges of indecent assault and one charge of lewd and libidinous behaviour against boys aged between 13 and 19 – with some crimes dating back to 1972.

Police Scotland called the scale
of the abuse ‘unprecedented’. The former professional youth player raised a claim through the Personal Injury Court in Edinburgh, after his mental health was affected by abuse suffered during the 1990s.

The Scottish Daily Mail knows the identity of the player, who is now in his 30s, but he cannot be named for legal reasons.

While the exact sum to be paid has not been revealed, legal sources said based on previous payouts south of the Border it could be upwards of £100,000. Last night, the victim’s solicitor, Kim Leslie, confirmed Celtic had admitted liability for the abuse – all of which took place when McCafferty and the former player were full-time employees of the club. She said: ‘For decades, my client suffered as a result of McCafferty’s abuse, so above all else I’d like to pay tribute to him for the courage he has shown in stepping forwards.

‘Ever since McCafferty’s abuse was exposed, Celtic FC remained firm in its defence and denial of responsibility. However, after thorough investigations, I was able to present a robust case, which resulted in the club admitting liability. I hope the successful end to this legal action brings closure to my client and also brings hope to those who are considering a civil action of their own.’

Celtic bosses have expressed ‘regret and sorrow’ for other abuse claimants who played for Celtic Boys Club in the 1960s and 1970s, but have repeatedly distanced themselves from potential litigation by claiming their former feeder operation was an ‘entirely separate organisation’.

Boys Club founder Jim Torbett, coach Frank Cairney and former Boys Club chairman Gerald King have also been convicted for sex crimes against former players.

During the 1990s, however, McCafferty was a full-time employee of Celtic, working alongside first team and youth players when he abused his position of trust.

But as pressure grows on the club to accept legal liability for abuse that

‘The club admitted liability’

took place within the Boys Club, legal experts warn that ultimately the club could face multi-million pound compensation payouts.

Earlier this year, lawyer Patrick McGuire, who represented some victims, said: ‘We have intimated a large number of claims on behalf of survivors of all the four named paedophiles that operated under the guise of the wider Celtic umbrella.

‘We absolutely will be going to court, unless Celtic’s tack changes.’

The Parkhead club recently announced that its insurers had appointed a ‘wholly independent and experienced lawyer’ to investigate the sexual assault scandal.

Celtic declined to comment. In a recent statement, chief executive Peter Lawwell said: ‘We respect any claimants’ rights and our advisers will communicate with them and their representatives directly in the proper manner.’
 
  • #43
It isn’t only the FC who go to huge lengths to silence this issue and continue to victimise survivors of abuse.

Excerpt from the Guardian June 2020:


One victim said “When we went public and said we were joining the civil action against Celtic I received a death threat on the phone. The level of abuse on social media over the last few months has also been appalling.”
 
  • #44
That is really disturbing. The same pattern we have seen in the past with the Roman Catholic Church priests, Jerry Sandusky, Jimmy Savile, Larry Nassar, George Tyndall, Jeffrey Epstein, Richard Strauss, and Robert Anderson.
 
  • #45
That is really disturbing. The same pattern we have seen in the past with the Roman Catholic Church priests, Jerry Sandusky, Jimmy Savile, Larry Nassar, George Tyndall, Jeffrey Epstein, Richard Strauss, and Robert Anderson.


Don't forget The Boy Scouts Of America.
 
  • #46
How high up does the corruption and cover up go. Gordon Woods is a survivor of abuse at Celtic. A Scottish government minister had been in contact pretending he was concerned about victims and justice. Seems it was just more smoke and mirrors as part of the cover up and continued abuse of Celtic’s victims. Not surprising that as with Humza, Dornan is a Celtic supporter.

https://twitter.com/gordonw09225415/status/1405232077847642115?s=21

https://twitter.com/gordonw09225415/status/1405232077847642115?s=21
 
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Don't forget The Boy Scouts Of America.

Forgot about the Boy Scouts Of America. There is also Phil Foglietta.
 
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  • #51
Some people have compared this scandal to the Penn State, Jerry Sandusky scandal. I haven’t looked far into the Penn State scandal. How many predators were operating there(8+)? How long did it go on for(30+years)? Did executives chase out whistleblowers while re-employing known predators who carried on abusing? Was the issue covered up by successive boards(for 50 years)? Did the sports governing body help cover the issue up? Did government members help cover it up? Would the club have been punished if it had done these things?
 
  • #52
There’s been movement on a few of the predators involved with Celtic recently. It was thought Jim McCafferty was to appear at court but I think the McCafferty on the court roster was a different one.

Frank Cairney is due to start trial on 5th of July and I’ll update as and when I can on his case, bearing in mind it’ll be yet another live case. There’s a long way to go with so many predators, victims and corruption involved with Celtic FC and the SFA.
 
  • #53
Just found this thread and have read through it, really interesting material on here. Hopefully this will all come out from the shadows and the corruption behind the scenes will be shown for the horrendous crime it is.
 
  • #54
The most recent attempt to deflect the issue from Celtic FC has been claims that Celtic boys club was a separate entity from Celtic FC but with historical links. Survivors have said by its words, the club is basically continuing the abuse. None of the boys considered they were playing for anything other than celtic FC. To the boys their coaches were Celtic coaches and they had the power to give them professional contracts with Celtic FC or instantly end their dreams. They were anything but separate.

There’s no doubt countless boys have horrific memories from this time in their lives. But Celtic was a very good boys team that won many trophies over these decades and hundreds of boys played for them who wouldn’t have got near a higher level. Playing in those competitions and winning those trophies would be the highlight of a lot of their playing days. Celtic ripped every one of those memories up and set them on fire by telling them publicly that they never really played for Celtic, decades after they had actually played for Celtic. Nothing has ever been done with the well-being of the boys in mind. Everything has been about the cover up.

They always say to follow the money if you want to find the reasons for corruption. It appears The Trophy Centre was important in the early decades, until the 90s when the club paid £1m to Torbetts business while he was sitting in prison. Why was The Trophy Centre so important? That seems to have overlapped with brand protection (“good name of the club”) from the 70s and that’s still a big reason for the continued cover up - as well as minimising compensation payouts. None of it has ever been about welfare.

Excerpt from The Sun, May 2019.

Jimmy Savile was a guest of Celtic in 1987 and hailed as a “staunch supporter” of the club.

In Celtic’s official history book, the boys club's remit was defined as “bringing talented youngsters under the Celtic wing”.


Xxxxx Xxxxxxx, who was caged in February for sexually abusing eight boys in the team,made the claim that the boys club had been part of "the Celtic family" since the 1960s.

Penning a Celtic View column in 1987, the paedo wrote: "It was some 20 short years back that [Celtic manager] Jock Stein and [chairman] Sir Robert Kelly brought the CBC into the Celtic family.
 
  • #55
There is so much out in the public domain linking the boys club with the official team that they are doing themselves no favours from trying to distance themselves from it, very shabby treatment for anyone that played for the boys club, they are a very tawdry bunch.
 
  • #56
There is so much out in the public domain linking the boys club with the official team that they are doing themselves no favours from trying to distance themselves from it, very shabby treatment for anyone that played for the boys club, they are a very tawdry bunch.
They tried to play the legally separate hand but they clearly aren’t. The problem they had was they’d already been covering it up for decades so thought they had to double down. Any club with a hint of morals would’ve drew a line and called for a full independent inquiry but they were so deep that they couldn’t. The SFA and government ministers helping them cover it up also gave them confidence to keep going down that route. All of it to the detriment of survivors and peoples mental health. Survivors who have been speaking to government ministers to try to get some action have later found themselves to be blocked on Twitter, not only by the ministers they’d been speaking to, but also by government accounts they’d never interacted with. It’s supposed to be a modern, progressive nation but has a deeply sinister undertone. Humans come 2nd to a football club apparently.
 
  • #57
Many survivors lives are ruined when they turn to drink and drugs to get through days living with the horrors predators put them through. This is made all the more difficult by individuals, organisations and even governments covering up the issue and putting obstacles in their way.

But there has been a change in law in Scotland which should make it easier for survivors to come forward to get justice and some recompense to help them through their sometimes very broken lives.

It removes the threat that unsuccessful claimants may have to bear the defender's legal costs. This opens all the doors to class actions against Celtic without fear of bankruptcy.

Gordon Woods, a survivor of horrific abuse at the hands of celtic welcomes the change.

https://twitter.com/gordonw09225415/status/1411339654075498497?s=21
 
  • #58
When the scale of the Jimmy Saville scandal came to light, concern over where these people had been operating in plain sight during and since the 60s and 70s grew. They looked into every aspect of Saville’s life and where he had access to children. It was found there had been rumours and concerns for a long time but were swept under the carpet due to Saville’s charity work etc. Many, many children became victims when it could’ve been avoided if these had been listened to. Saville’s links with Celtic have never been mentioned as part of the investigation.

With this brave new world and appetite to root these people out and learn from failings, you’d think any organisation that had those sorts of rumours and what one ex manager is said to have referred to as “an open secret” would be thoroughly investigated to get to the bottom of how this was allowed to go on for nearly 50 years. Not in Scotland and definitely not within Scottish football with the people who currently run the SFA. The SFA has a law/rule referred to as ‘bringing the game into disrepute’ that it uses to punish people for almost anything it feels necessary. They fine players under it for talking out of turn in the media. They’ve charged and fined clubs for using tax avoidance measures. They’ve used the same rule to charge chairmen or executives, even though they may not be working within football anymore.

Neither Celtic nor any of its executives have never been charged for bringing the game into disrepute for anything to do with this issue. Not even the predators or the chairman/executives who re-employed predators who went on to abuse children.

They did reluctantly carry out a review into abuse in which it ignored celtics boys club and even thanked Celtic while only mentioning them 2 or 3 times. Given the information so far on this thread, that’s quite a feat.

They headhunted Martin Henry who is linked to Neil Strachan, Celtic east secretary and one of Scotland’s worst ever paedophiles.

The review was delayed for years and during this time It was revealed that the SFA was sending the review to Celtic to edit as it seen fit. Martin Henry spent a large portion of those years absent for stress. Convenient when people wanted to ask why the delays.

As survivors and families had feared, the review was merely a whitewash. A muck raking exercise to help Celtic continue the cover up. Little chance of anybody being charged for bringing the game into disrepute when the SFA are spending members money and very publicly giving survivors another kick by helping the club that’s been kicking them for decades.

There’s a link to Adrian Goldberg articles about the SFA report. Retraumatising survivors.
‘Retraumatising Survivors’: Is Scottish Football Marking its Own Homework over Historic Child Abuse? – Byline Times
 
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Article in the times about Cairney and his trial being postponed. The wheels of justice turn slowly but, with the cover up and delays in pretty much everything connected to the Celtic abuse scandal, you’d be forgiven for thinking they’re hoping people might expire before getting there.

Trial postponed for man accused of indecently assaulting a teen at Celtic Park

Jim Torbett was 19 years old when he was given permission to use celtics colours, badge and facilities in the mid to late 60s by an unknown person. Celtic had just become the first club in Britain to win the European cup, the highest honour in European football. Big clubs don’t give these things away, they’re too valuable.

No investigation or inquiry has ever looked into why he (or somebody else?) wanted to start celtics boys club, or was it one or more of the club’s executives who wanted the boys club started and they approached Torbett? Why was he deemed the best person to start it?

Starting from the beginning to learn how this happened would seem sensible, but it seems the people who should be learning are quite happy to allow the people who might know to pass away and take their secrets with them. Why?
 

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