Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[pineapple23]

This was my first thought when I read todays press release from LE. The words “may” and “for some reason” appear to me as a softening on their previous tone.

Though I've always leant towards the river accident explanation, I noticed that too

 

[russeverton]

no, I meant the point you replied to he

easier to paste the screenshot

the ' every house, garage, every outbuilding, the land scrutinised' View attachment 401937

I was referring to the land. And i have heard one or 2 properties have been searched recently and the owners have allowed them. You dont need a warrant if you get permission. The big question is why wasnt all this done in the first few days? Surly when someones missing you go door to door and do a proper search of the area.

 

[karakuchi]

except the few days following Jan 27th

Has this user done the same walk since Jan 27?
I really think you should report this.

 

[Luke84]

The timings are extremely important but not because it necessarily changes the window of opportunity, but because it paints a new picture of the scene in question. Before the new timings were revealed we had a pretty hazy idea of what was going on between 9:33 and when the alarm was raised at 10:50 am; how many people found the dog/phone? who recognised the dog? did the dog finder do any preliminary search (however short) for nicola or shout for her? When did they figure it out and finally tell Paul/the police?

Speaking for myself and having read the press conferences I had this idea in my head that after 9:33 there was at least some activity in terms of trying to figure out who's phone and dog were on the bench. In reality what happened between 9:33 and 10:50 was precisely... nothing.

Not a single witness saw the dog and the phone near the bench for 80 minutes. Bear in mind that both were directly beside the main walkway into the area at somewhat of a bottleneck. They would be hard to miss even for the most unobservant country stroller. On top of that the witness is in a rush and deems it only urgent enough to tell her daughter in law about the abandoned dog and lost phone in the park (she thought she recognised the dog but couldn't remember whose it was). She ties the dog up with a piece of string (String?!) before leaving.

What this says to me is that the area is more remote than perhaps it's made out to be. Yes there is a short window for her disappearance, but there is an extremely long and unobserved window for whatever happened after her disappearance.

I agree the timings are hugely important and there is certainly plenty of confusion around them among commentators on the forum. But to me it's also still a 20ish-minute window b/c all that matters is the Teams call. Her phone connected to it but did not disconnect after the call finished. So if she fell into the river (which I don't believe btw) it must have been during the Teams call.

 

[infinit]

I was referring to the land. And i have heard one or 2 properties have been searched recently and the owners have allowed them. You dont need a warrant if you get permission. The big question is why wasnt all this done in the first few days? Surly when someones missing you go door to door and do a proper search of the area.

They did a 1km radius search. It was mentioned in the 1st presser.

 

[AgathapisdT]

I am not a dog-lover, far from it, but I think that if I had found a distressed dog, a mobile phone and a harness with no owner around, I would have rung the police. Or if I had started to walk away, I think that something wouid have made me go back, or else I know it would have bugged me for the rest of the morning. Not trying to claim any moral high ground either. It's just what I would do. I realise that others wouldn't necessarily do the same. MOO.

For clarification and in support of the lady that is frequently mentioned, I would have done the same, I think, especially if her life is anything like mine was that week. Who knows what is going on in someone else's life? People are so judgemental and assessing actions that they may have done ... We all have different lives. This lady came across an unusual situation, did the best she could at the time, reported it to her family and she is still being given grief.

 

[cottonweaver]

If somebody else was involved, its curious how they decided to do something while she was logged onto the Teams call with people talking on loudspeaker and probably the phone visible such as near her ear during the time she disappeared, and the call was not interrupted at any point while she became detached from the phone. Suggests to me she put the phone down herself and then went somewhere without it, expecting to be back soon and just trusted nobody would take it. But she didn't make it back. She must have walked somewhere with no cctv. Then why? Looking for a bin carrying dog poo?

it's part of the reason I found that whole argument of ' the phone was left as decoy' hard to believe (Peter Faulding and another ' talking head' were promoting it.)

A methodical perpetrator who is the type to leave a decoy, how would he know she was muted and off camera and thus the Teams people couldn't hear a struggle, screams etc? Risky move

 

[Tanzanite]

I disagree. If I found a dog running loose and an unattended mobile phone there, I would 110% be concerned and make sure everything was alright. Mobile phones are not something that people leave lying around on public benches while they take their kid for a wee. It wouldn’t take long in a quiet area like that to ascertain that a person who owns a mobile phone and a dog is seemingly missing from the vicinity and not just “chasing their toddler”…..the fact it’s right next to a river would concern me even more.

Not hindsight…I know I would connect the dots.

Well, the dots would be connected wrongly in my case then. I leave my phone all over the place when I run after my children. I'm never particularly worried about it.

People act and react in different ways. It's an unusual situation and not one that any of us should be chucking judgments around with, especially with scant information about the witness. There's no right and wrong here, except for calling a witness offensive names for not doing what you would do.

 

[EH_13]

My opinion on the dog behaviour is: it was off routing around, out of sight, as spaniels do and when it returned NB was no longer there causing the "agitated" state it was found in.

 

[infinit]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> Strava fairly popular in the fitness community. It has led to all sorts of things e.g. Fitness tracking app Strava gives away location of secret US army bases

Always check your privacy settings on your apps!

 

[infinit]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed>

On my phone but this mentions the 1km. It was 100% said by her.

Missing mum Nicola Bulley believed to have 'fallen into the river'

Police confirmed they don't believe a crime has been committed

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[SanT88]

Hi all, some Strava sleuthing from me. I'm a Strava subscriber which gives me access to 'segment' data and leaderboards. Basically a segment is a route, usually a short section, whereby if you pass through that segment it logs your data on the leaderboard.

Looking at NB's strava and her usual route, as per on Jan 27th, there are a few segments. On closer look at the data for these segments it shows someone, on the 27th, doing a very similar route, from the village.

Their walk starts at 10.24 and finishes at 11.31 Their route appears to differ from NB in that they head down stream along the river first then back, then to the area of bench/fields - if a body did travel downstream from bench area around that time, there could be a possibility of them noticing something floating down stream as they'd be walking in the same direction as the river flow for 20-30 ish minutes? Looking at the data this person does this route every day, except the few days following Jan 27th. They have 0 followers and follow 0 people.

Anyway my point is that they potentially could have either known NB or seen her previously or that day (potential witness) or a good chance that if a body travelled downstream at the time they were walking downstream for 15-20 mins, there could have been a good chance they'd have noticed, and if not, does that support the 'not in the river' line of thinking.

I hope I've explained what I'm saying ok but i'm happy to discuss, provide more info as I found it interesting. Thinking of NBs family, what an awful and sad case.

Really interesting. I’d share with LE if you can. Good work.

 

[JimmyBets]

After LE press conference on 3rd Feb there was much discussion regarding what info/evidence LE may have to support their main hypothesis. It was accepted that “sensitive “ details would understandably be withheld from the public.
Assuming the family are aware of those sensitive details (there is a strong chance they actually provided the details to LE) why is PA going on national TV to say he is “100% certain NB is not in the river” ?

 

[Beckxsy]

So how does the strava app work and does it include vehicle journey should you be going slow enough.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Has this user done the same walk since Jan 27?
I really think you should report this.

Yes they do a similar but longer walk every day more or less apart from 28th and 29th Jan and some other odd days. But it’s normally a lot later around 10.30 onwards. Plus I don’t think you would track and log your route if you were about to kidnap a woman.
Could have been a potential witness though imo.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

My opinion on the dog behaviour is: it was off routing around, out of sight, as spaniels do and when it returned NB was no longer there causing the "agitated" state it was found in.

Just thinking, maybe even tempted away or like you say even just doing it thing & stayed near bench because the lead, harness and phone were there as didn’t know where NB was. MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

It really is interesting to see how slow it is in that spot he filmed but as he acknowledged when he was still on site, he was asked to go and do a search further upstream from the bench area.

He explained that LancsPolice cannot be certain she would have fallen in at the bench spot & so a portion of upstream needed to be done.

All I'm getting at is ... relying on one of his clips of just that stretch doesn't really prove anything because as he's admitted, she could have fallen in higher up or lower down ( from the bench)

Yes, I can see what you mean, however, the police has been focuseed on that particular spot because of where the phone, lead and harness were found. If they thought she went into the river elsewhere, how does that explain the phone being at the bench?

 

[Tanzanite]

After LE press conference on 3rd Feb there was much discussion regarding what info/evidence LE may have to support their main hypothesis. It was accepted that “sensitive “ details would understandably be withheld from the public.
Assuming the family are aware of those sensitive details (there is a strong chance they actually provided the details to LE) why is PA going on national TV to say he is “100% certain NB is not in the river” ?

Possibly because those same details could indicate a different direction of investigative travel - NB removing herself for headspace/similar (paraphrasing her sister here). MOO/IMO

 

[Fishwick]

So how does the strava app work and does it include vehicle journey should you be going slow enough.

You have to start and stop an activity. Would only include the vehicle journey if the user forgot to stop the activity - rare.

 

[karakuchi]

Yes they do a similar but longer walk every day more or less apart from 28th and 29th Jan and some other odd days. But it’s normally a lot later around 10.30 onwards. Plus I don’t think you would track and log your route if you were about to kidnap a woman.
Could have been a potential witness though imo.

Still worth mentioning!
I would send the tip as you did in your original post.
No harm.