Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[flowerpot]

This drone footage is excellent to show what the landscape looks like where Nicola may have fallen in.

After watching this I can see how it's almost impossible to climb up where she fell in. The easiest way out is directly opposite but everywhere else looks like the banks are very high in both directions.

If Nicola panicked after falling it would be even more difficult and wet clothes would make if even worse.

Absolutely I agree. IMO assuming NB went into the river there or further up/downstream you need to consider facing the height of the bank from IN the river not from river eye level or above. Personally, whilst I’d like to think I would remain calm, reality is I would certainly panic, not to mention how cold that water would be. That’s not to say NB did. JMO
I’m truly stumped, whilst there’s no evidence to say she went in, absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. But in the same vein you could apply that to a potential third party but where would she be in that case?? I don’t think she left of her own volition but that’s just my view.

 

[sriraaacha]

This really hits home for me because I know if I accidentally fell into this river, I could not save myself. I've never entered any water in my life that wasn't in a clean swimming pool.

Yeahhh same. I've always had a massive fear of water ever since I was young (swimming pools and the sea) but I really don't like to get too close to any sort of area of water. I can just about swim, but the last time I did was over 10 years ago and I think if I fell in anywhere I definitely wouldn't be getting out. So scary to think about...

 

[flowerpot]

These are not coincidental, they are an orchestrated media campaign to discredit a hardworking police force IMO.

It's totally unfair and not without risk.
This is what fans vandalism and social media abuse, it will make the public wary of assisting police in serious crimes.

They really need to be reviewed and investigated.
They help nobody and cause further hurt for a grieving family.

I reckon SO Riley and her team is smart and professional enough to see it for what it is.

It's neither victim friendly nor searcher friendly.

Modern day media is very good at ‘whipping the people into a frenzy’ then backing off when it creates a ruckus though aren’t they!!?! JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

These are not coincidental, they are an orchestrated media campaign to discredit a hardworking police force IMO.

It's totally unfair and not without risk.
This is what fans vandalism and social media abuse, it will make the public wary of assisting police in serious crimes.

They really need to be reviewed and investigated.
They help nobody and cause further hurt for a grieving family.

I reckon SO Riley and her team is smart and professional enough to see it for what it is.

It's neither victim friendly nor searcher friendly.

Yes anti-authority, anti-trust, anti-experts & public service - they're all features of populist media. IDK what the game is with likes of Underhill though and why LancsPolice. ( Starting to wonder if it could also be cause they're not part of the old boys network? SIO & Supt -Two women?)

During Kohberger hunt I started to follow a few US former detectives ( mainly NYPD, Chicago etc.) The good ones, who are upfront about their cvs, upfront about the number of cases they've handled and cases they resolved successfully. I rarely see that happen here, usually nobody asks them for their record but is happy to get their comments.

Anyway, have heard them joke a few times that some detectives can have huge egos.

(All I know about Underhill's record is the one, big case - Sarah Payne in 2000 and by 2002 he'd already moved over to training)

 

[Lizziebo]

This really hits home for me because I know if I accidentally fell into this river, I could not save myself. I've never entered any water in my life that wasn't in a clean swimming pool.

Same. I have the fear of 1980s school lessons where only the best went in with PJs. Where‘s the learning with that?!

 

[Lizziebo]

So. Putting it out there. What are everyone’s thoughts? If we can say JMO. This is so baffling, guys!

 

[Allabouttrial]

Same. I have the fear of 1980s school lessons where only the best went in with PJs. Where‘s the learning with that?!

Yikes that brings back memories!!

 

[WSA01]

Something that still isn't making any sense to me that everybody seems to be taken as read and nobody seems to question.

The police are investigating NB's whereabouts between 09:10 and 09:20 but they have the phone? The phone was logged into the team call therefore it can't have dropped out of signal range, surely the data from the phone would tell them the journey the phone took?

The window of time that's key is surely the window between 09:20 and 09:33?

Or is that the window they are looking into and I have misunderstood?

 

[cottonweaver]

So. Putting it out there. What are everyone’s thoughts? If we can say JMO. This is so baffling, guys!

Unless something valuable comes from that Garstang Rd exit ( the dashcams enquiries) then, sadly, it's accidental drowning for me.

If they don't get anything from the dash cams but get other leads maybe 'was pushed in' becomes an option

Last in line, for me, would be a stalker abduction because he'd have to have been very lucky & prepared to achieve this silent 'spiriting- away' in this tight time frame & in a close-knit community while leaving the dog staying at the riverside.

the family - and LE - are certain that it's not a voluntary disappearance and that she wasn't suicidal so I'm taking that at face value. (Maybe if I'd gone through her FB & Instagram I'd get a better feel for any hidden turmoil but I haven't)

 

[Seattle1]

Something that still isn't making any sense to me that everybody seems to be taken as read and nobody seems to question.

The police are investigating NB's whereabouts between 09:10 and 09:20 but they have the phone? The phone was logged into the team call therefore it can't have dropped out of signal range, surely the data from the phone would tell them the journey the phone took?

The window of time that's key is surely the window between 09:20 and 09:33?

Or is that the window they are looking into and I have misunderstood?

Yes, the 10 mins from 9:20 to 9:30 when the phone was found.

During Friday’s press briefing, Superintendent Riley said officers were “particularly interested” in the time between the phone being placed on the bench at 9.20 a.m. and the device being recovered 10 minutes later.

“We only have a 10-minute window in which we cannot account for Nicola’s movements,” she said.

^^rsbm

 

[Queenslander]

Have the police looked at the possibility Nicola has left the area on a fishing boat ?

 

[acutename]

There are indeed small steps carved out into the bank having seen them in person.

dopeople actually enter and swim in the river in warm weather?

 

[cottonweaver]

Expert diver says video is 'proof' Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river

Diving expert Peter Faulding said the section of river where Nicola Bulley went missing is so slow they should have found her body if she was there.

uk.news.yahoo.com

new link
Peter Faulding....

' The diving expert who led (?) the hunt for Nicola Bulley has claimed he has video "proof" the missing mother did not fall into the river where police believe she did.

Peter Faulding, 60, says the clip of the River Wyre showing it to be slow-moving, meaning her body would have sunk "very quickly" and remained nearby if she’d gone in.

He also said the rocks by the bank, which would have been under just 2ft of water when she went missing, meaning she could have simply "stood up" if she’d fallen down.

He said the clip makes him believe Nicola didn't fall into the river when she vanished 13 days ago while walking her dog.


so.....she would have sunk quickly and then stood up? Maybe it's just badly written?


further on, at the link....'
The diver spoke with Bulley's partner, Paul Ansell, at the site where she went missing.Faulding said Ansell now believes “Nicola has not gone in that river."But the lack of a body raised hopes that she might still be alive.

 

[acutename]

There are indeed small steps carved out into the bank having seen them in person.

do people actually enter and swim in the river in warm weather?

 

[JamieM77]

Thank you for all the contributions to this thread. I've lurked in the wings for years but this particular case is mental

 

[Night Shift]

Expert diver says video is 'proof' Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river

Diving expert Peter Faulding said the section of river where Nicola Bulley went missing is so slow they should have found her body if she was there.

uk.news.yahoo.com

new link
Peter Faulding....

' The diving expert who led (?) the hunt for Nicola Bulley has claimed he has video "proof" the missing mother did not fall into the river where police believe she did.

Peter Faulding, 60, says the clip of the River Wyre showing it to be slow-moving, meaning her body would have sunk "very quickly" and remained nearby if she’d gone in.

He also said the rocks by the bank, which would have been under just 2ft of water when she went missing, meaning she could have simply "stood up" if she’d fallen down.

He said the clip makes him believe Nicola didn't fall into the river when she vanished 13 days ago while walking her dog.


so.....she would have sunk quickly and then stood up?

Yet he only says all this after spending 3 days searching.... And if Nicola did fall in, it would be a tumble or an uncontrolled entry - not merrirly perching on some rocks as he suggests.

To me, he comes across as someone who can't handle the fact that he didn't find Nicola and that he is no longer in the limelight, virtually hogging all the PR coverage as he was.

Harsh? Maybe. But he has a big ego and a big mouth. Just like me.

The difference between us though is that I'm not in the media spotlight right now and if I were I would not be under mining the police.

 

[Loobyloo]

Something that still isn't making any sense to me that everybody seems to be taken as read and nobody seems to question.

The police are investigating NB's whereabouts between 09:10 and 09:20 but they have the phone? The phone was logged into the team call therefore it can't have dropped out of signal range, surely the data from the phone would tell them the journey the phone took?

The window of time that's key is surely the window between 09:20 and 09:33?

Or is that the window they are looking into and I have misunderstood?

They know where the phone was. That doesn't necessarily mean they know where NB was.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yet he only says all this after spending 3 days searching....

To me, he comes across as someone who can't handle the fact that he didn't find Nicola and that he is no longer in the limelight, virtually hogging all the PR coverage as he was.

Harsh? Maybe. But he has a big ego and a big mouth. Just like me. The difference between us though is that I'm not in the media spotlight right now and if I were I would not be under mining the police.

also I added a little bit extra in the edit
The diver spoke with Bulley's partner, Paul Ansell, at the site where she went missing.Faulding said Ansell now believes “Nicola has not gone in that river."But the lack of a body raised hopes that she might still be alive.

No way would I be wanting to give her partner false hope like that either. Difficult to do but I would have tried to stay as equivocal & neutral as possible.

 

[Night Shift]

also I added a little bit extra in the edit
The diver spoke with Bulley's partner, Paul Ansell, at the site where she went missing.Faulding said Ansell now believes “Nicola has not gone in that river."But the lack of a body raised hopes that she might still be alive.

No way would I be wanting to give her partner false hope like that either. Difficult to do but I would have tried to stay as equivocal & neutral as possible.

What Peter Faulding should have said was : "All I can say is that Nicola is not there now"

Edit - I honestly believe he should employ someone to do his verbal PR for him....

 

[Knitty]

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