Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #12

[Lilbitcurious]

Its a little bit rude to ignore the sign right above where they was meant to have been ( if they actually was in that area i guess)

It is unless your dog heels on command and instantly obeys recall( doesn’t go near or get the chance to go near livestock) IMO

 

[CSIAngus]

Dogs are supposed to be kept on leads on the upper and lower fields because of the sheep and poultry in the nearby fields.

Surely, that's only what the landowner/farm business tenant, if there is one, wants dog walkers to do. It is lawful to have your dog off the lead on a public footpath, which the path through the fields is. Unless there is an order made by Lancashire County Council under the Road Traffic Act 1988, which there isn't in this case else the signage would be official. However, that only pertains to the paths not the fields. I'd be surprised if most dog walkers would be able to make their off lead dogs stay within the legal width of the path.

 

[kiwi50]

Not sure you will understand this if you’re a male. As you hear in the news, females get attacked from time to time. I find it really unnerving to meet a male whilst out walking in the countryside or any dog walk which is not in a busy setting. It just is… makes you feel vulnerable. If the male has a dog then it gives him a reason to be there.. so it feels better. Without a dog you wonder why they are there. It’s irrational .. why shouldn’t males be out walking without a dog. You’ve every right to!! Of course.
But that’s how it feels if you are a female… scary at times. Not all females feel this way, I’m sure.

I’m a female without a dog, who walks, I’m not worried if I see a man without a dog, I’m more wary if I come across a dog by itself.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Surely, that's only what the landowner/farm business tenant, if there is one, wants dog walkers to do. It is lawful to have your dog off the lead on a public footpath, which the path through the fields is. Unless there is an order made by Lancashire County Council under the Road Traffic Act 1988, which there isn't in this case else the signage would be official. However, that only pertains to the paths not the fields. I'd be surprised if most dog walkers would be able to make their off lead dogs stay within the legal width of the path.

Yes, it’s the person n charge of the dog that would be held accountable of any sheep/livestock worrying. It’s also legal as a last resort for a farmer to shoot a canine for worrying.

 

[Springplease]

eagle eyed!

but now am wondering about the accounts of a search there on Sunday - it was on WS on Sun but can't remember the details now

I’d heard they just went round to see the owners just to check they were ok and not being disturbed too much, although I suppose they could just be pretending to do that to see if they pick up on anything strange

 

[kittythehare]

Article here is 4 days old

Villagers criticise ‘ghouls’ visiting scene where Nicola Bulley went missing

Hundreds of people including online influencers and conspiracists have been arriving at St Michael’s on Wyre

www.theguardian.com

 

[kittythehare]

accuracy, good photographs

Nicola Bulley search: Real detectives vie with amateur sleuths in Lancashire village

Locals, online commentators and the missing woman’s partner are sceptical of the police’s theory that the mother of two fell into the river Wyre

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Andreee]

dbm

 

[Andreee]

dbm

 

[CSIAngus]

Yes, it’s the person n charge of the dog that would be held accountable of any sheep/livestock worrying. It’s also legal as a last resort for a farmer to shoot a canine for worrying.

That is correct. The onus is on the dog owner to keep their dog under control. The landowner can take such last resort action to protect livestock. That has happened on occasion near my village. Most farmers I know are dog lovers so it's never something they would do lightly.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Yes, it’s the person n charge of the dog that would be held accountable of any sheep/livestock worrying. It’s also legal as a last resort for a farmer to shoot a canine for worrying.

Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953

An Act to provide for the punishment of persons whose dogs worry livestock on agricultural land; and for purposes connected with the matter aforesaid.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Oh I thought you were referring to the sign on the tree at the bench? It doesn’t look official, I was referring to it. Farmers are allowed to make their own signs asking for dogs to be kept on leads if they have livestock in the vicinity. But I see you are referring to Public Pathways, which is different. CROW ACT for England and Wales and SOAC ACT for where I am Scotland, deals with Dogs (Protection of livestock)

Regardless of the non official looking sign, that bench area is on private property then?

I have no idea if it’s private property but I also do not know if there are any official signs either.

 

[Miss_French]

That being so wouldn't there have been dirt or mud on the harness and skid marks from Nicola's heeled Next Welles if she'd slipped?? However the harness wasn't found down a slope .

BBM and PA on the call from the school: "She said 'Mr Ansell, it's a bit of a weird one. It's a bit of a weird one. But we found Willow and Nikki's phone on the bench, and the harness halfway down the embankment on the floor'." He continued: "I'm about to leave thinking I'm going to see her, you know pass her and find her. Then I get that call."

Seven key bombshells from Nicola Bulley's partner as he speaks out

He also spoke out about being made a suspect and how he fears a local could be to blame

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[slowpoke]

This may not be a complete answer regarding ownership of the land, but this is a quote from Chairman of St Michael's Parish Council, Giles Phillips. It’s far down on the page, right hand side, under where it says, ‘This is not a spectator sport’.

‘Most of the area is private land - the public access is very minimal and can't absorb the numbers of people who are coming every day. They aren't searching for somebody - they are watching someone else search for somebody. We would rather people stayed home or took a day trip to the Lake District.'

Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre

 

[EyeSpyU]

That being so wouldn't there have been dirt or mud on the harness and skid marks from Nicola's heeled Next Welles if she'd slipped?? However the harness wasn't found down a slope .

Not necessarily. Although it was slippery on that slope it was also covered by large patches of grass ( albeit damp), plus weeds and overgrowth. Some of that overgrowth has long tough straw type weeds which are notoriously easy to trip over. NB could have so easily tripped and tumbled forwards without leaving any marks at all.

As for the harness it could have been anywhere on the slope - the bench is just a few feet away from the top of it. So even if NB picked it up and threw it up towards the bench, which in itself would have made her unstable standing on the slippery slope, there’s no guarantee it would have stayed in the exact same spot where she threw it as Willow could have picked it in his mouth during his rushing around in panic and simply dropped it out of her mouth. She wouldn’t keep it in her mouth. In fact, as a dog owner for years and years, dogs often shake things in their mouths before dropping them down again.

 

[kittythehare]

This may not be a complete answer regarding ownership of the land, but this is a quote from Chairman of St Michael's Parish Council, Giles Phillips. It’s far down on the page, right hand side, under where it says, ‘This is not a spectator sport’.

‘Most of the area is private land - the public access is very minimal and can't absorb the numbers of people who are coming every day. They aren't searching for somebody - they are watching someone else search for somebody. We would rather people stayed home or took a day trip to the Lake District.'

Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre

Thanks for trying. I'm searching for publicly owned land because I'm curious. Every country is different but insurance and maintenance charges for public and private areas must be paid by somebody other than the landowner if the landowner permits public access..

 

[EyeSpyU]

Something has been on my mind as well. In an interview with EW, and I’m paraphrasing because I don’t remember her words, says come home to Willow..cozy on the sofa (sorry couldn’t find the article). PA says come home…if you’re watching come home. I’m sure it is just a way of wanting her home, and who knows what you’d say if in that situation. Just wondering if it piqued anyone else’s curiosity?

I watched the programme and the interviews with EW but never heard them say “come home to Willow”…can you put a link please?

 

[Mr X]

Not a full search but Land Registry shows 4 different sets of land. They may all have the same owner. There will be a lot of estate owned land and tenanted property IMO.

Search results​

4 results found

• land on the north and south sides of Blackpool Road and Hall Lane and various properties in St Michaels-on-Wyre
• St Michaels Hall Farm, Hall Lane, St Michaels on Wyre (PR3 0TQ)
• land lying to the south side of Garstang Road, St Michaels-on-Wyre
• Wyre Cottage, Allotment Lane, St Michaels, Preston (PR3 0TZ)

 

[Andreee]

Something has been on my mind as well. In an interview with EW, and I’m paraphrasing because I don’t remember her words, says come home to Willow..cozy on the sofa (sorry couldn’t find the article). PA says come home…if you’re watching come home. I’m sure it is just a way of wanting her home, and who knows what you’d say if in that situation. Just wondering if it piqued anyone else’s curiosity?

Not sure what you are getting at.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Are there bins on this walk? To dispose of poo bags? Anyone seen any?

As it’s a popular dog walking area I’d say there are bins dotted about, but I don’t know the area so can’t say for certain. Regardless, where I walk my dog - which is a huge area covering miles - bins are only dotted about here and there. Dog walkers all carry poo bags plus carrier bags which they place the poo bags into, and just carry them until they see a bin.