Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #12

[DaFroome]

As far as I know there have been no sightings of Nicola in the village, or anywhere. Where in the village would they look?

The graveyard and it’s vaults are a usual search location in missing persons enquiries. I imagine that’s all been done.

 

[Cuko]

Even though they immediately treated it as a no foul play, she fell in the river case? I hope they did the swabs for NB and her family's sake.

I would sincerely hope so, but who knows?

 

[cottonweaver]

Ah!. Even the 'hooded men' news title in the original newspaper isn't clear-cut

'A local resident alleged that two men - who appeared to be wearing hoods or hats - were near to St Michael's church just over 24 hours prior to Nicola's disappearance.'

Ex-cop who investigated Maddie suspect probes Nicola Bulley vanishing

The ex-detective who exposed Jimmy Savile and investigated Madeleine McCann kidnap suspect Christian Brueckner is to probe Nicola Bulley's disappearance.

www.dailymail.co.uk

anyway..... a bit more from the witness

'Remaining anonymous, he told The Sun: 'I first saw them at around 7.45am on my way to work on the Thursday, the day before Nicola Bulley vanished. I drive that way every day, so know the road well..... The same witness also reported seeing one of the men at a similar time the next day.'

Mail link says 'MailOnline has approached Lancashire Police regarding the allegations.'

IME from following WS cases, if there's an active investigation to track down a couple of men, a police force will not comment for obvious reasons. ( If it's been completed & they've been eliminated, they might but they're not obliged to)

 

[Lincolnshirelad]

I didn't realize they were seen in a graveyard. How far is that from the river?

Its right next to the river, the river runs by it.

You will often as a fisherman try to get to areas less walked by people, often getting to the reverse side of the river as fish will be more active in less public areas.

 

[jackal67]

Regarding the fishermen it is actually very common to see what I would call "mobile fishermen" which is men or often pairs of men carrying a rods and nets and a rucksack. They will fish areas known to have good stock for food. The idea of being mobile is so you can fish private waters and if you get into any problems you just say you don't speak English and walk away. There is a lot of fish coming out of the Thames in this way. Fish is a valuable product.

Assuming all fishermen haul great big trolleys about is not correct although club fishermen generally do.

I would surmise that the two men seen were doing exactly this type of fishing.

IMO.

and it could also explain them not coming forward if they were fishing illegally. MOO

 

[PeteG85]

just moo here and just a little speculation.
I think its possible PA has a specific focus on who has done something to NB. Obviously he cannot name names and I would be very surprised if conversations havent taken place between him and the Police regarding his suspicions.

He will have been all too aware that appearing in the Channel 5 programme would be very detrimental in certain peoples eyes as to them criticising him and looking for errors in his words but in fairness to him, he did it and maybe this was designed to put a little more pressure on certain people with regards to his searching everywhere statement.

Even though the Police didnt have any direct involvement in the programme, it would be very surprising that they wouldnt be aware of what he would say ( especially as this is still a live investigation and they are reportedly in daily contact)

Are certain things being put into the public domain with full knowledge of LP rather than leaked by misguided friends family etc in an attempt to increase pressure?

The most logical place to dispose of a possibly accidental/unplanned death would surely now be in the river nearer to the sea, the Police have virtually written that script by saying NB is most likely in the river. In my mind if someone had hidden the body on land maybe in a hurry, then it would be a consideration to move it to the tidal river in the hope it either dissapears into the sea or is found but is too decomposed to find out what really happened.
Possibly why the searches have moved further towards the sea maybe?
MOO and IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

The graveyard and it’s vaults are a usual search location in missing persons enquiries. I imagine that’s all been done.

Yeah, I'm sure places like that have been searched. It was suggested that private homes be searched but I don't see how that's necessary or even possible without warrants.

Either way, Nicola did not go missing from the village so I don't see a need to start searching random houses unless evidence points them there.

 

[Nikynoo]

It does

Dog the Bounty Hunter claims to have 'lead' on Gabby Petito case

Dog the Bounty Hunter, a reality TV star whose real name is Duane Chapman, told Fox News that a tipster sent him to a remote Florida location to investigate the disappearance of Brian Laundrie, a person of interest in the death of Gabby Petito.

www.wral.com

Yep, I was thinking of Dog too.

 

[Lincolnshirelad]

just moo here and just a little speculation.
I think its possible PA has a specific focus on who has done something to NB. Obviously he cannot name names and I would be very surprised if conversations havent taken place between him and the Police regarding his suspicions.

He will have been all too aware that appearing in the Channel 5 programme would be very detrimental in certain peoples eyes as to them criticising him and looking for errors in his words but in fairness to him, he did it and maybe this was designed to put a little more pressure on certain people with regards to his searching everywhere statement.

Even though the Police didnt have any direct involvement in the programme, it would be very surprising that they wouldnt be aware of what he would say ( especially as this is still a live investigation and they are reportedly in daily contact)

Are certain things being put into the public domain with full knowledge of LP rather than leaked by misguided friends family etc in an attempt to increase pressure?

The most logical place to dispose of a possibly accidental/unplanned death would surely now be in the river nearer to the sea, the Police have virtually written that script by saying NB is most likely in the river. In my mind if someone had hidden the body on land maybe in a hurry, then it would be a consideration to move it to the tidal river in the hope it either dissapears into the sea or is found but is too decomposed to find out what really happened.
Possibly why the searches have moved further towards the sea maybe?
MOO and IMO

Every single thing he says throughout this would be monitored / analysed - its standard procedure when all lines of investigation are open.

If it was the case and I was in PA place, I would be fully expecting it also.

 

[Agatha3]

It has been reported that both men were carrying fishing rods but no bait boxes.

You can hire day/days at nearby fishing club so rest of the gear could be there.

 

[Lucy6226]

Yeah, I'm sure places like that have been searched. It was suggested that private homes be searched but I don't see how that's necessary or even possible without warrants.

Either way, Nicola did not go missing from the village so I don't see a need to start searching random houses unless evidence points them there.

I'm sure none of the villagers would mind having their property searched though. Anyone that did would immediately raise a red flag imo

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Do women not fish?

Yes a fair few women do fish but I would say it's predominantly a hobby/sport pursued by men. I won a ladies fishing match once that my partner had entered me for much to my horror! All I can say is he was lucky it was a lovely summer day, my allocated spot was bathed in sunshine and I didn't end up balanced precariously on some steep bank as other ladies did. Complete fluke I won it, he was thrilled of course, me less so lol

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm sure none of the villagers would mind having their property searched though. Anyone that did would immediately raise a red flag imo

I don't know. I can imagine a fair few would object because it's not really necessary, unless the police had a good reason to want to search a particular property.

 

[abovethestorm]

Ah!. Even the 'hooded men' news title in the original newspaper isn't clear-cut

'A local resident alleged that two men - who appeared to be wearing hoods or hats - were near to St Michael's church just over 24 hours prior to Nicola's disappearance.'

Ex-cop who investigated Maddie suspect probes Nicola Bulley vanishing

The ex-detective who exposed Jimmy Savile and investigated Madeleine McCann kidnap suspect Christian Brueckner is to probe Nicola Bulley's disappearance.

www.dailymail.co.uk

anyway..... a bit more from the witness

'Remaining anonymous, he told The Sun: 'I first saw them at around 7.45am on my way to work on the Thursday, the day before Nicola Bulley vanished. I drive that way every day, so know the road well..... The same witness also reported seeing one of the men at a similar time the next day.'

Mail link says 'MailOnline has approached Lancashire Police regarding the allegations.'

IME from following WS cases, if there's an active investigation to track down a couple of men, a police force will not comment for obvious reasons. ( If it's been completed & they've been eliminated, they might)

"The same witness also reported seeing one of the men at a similar time the next day."

So where was the other one on the morning that Nicola vanished? This really jumped out at me! Pure conjecture on my part, but could they have split up in order to come at NB from 2 directions the following morning?

 

[mrjitty]

I'd be interested to know what type of phone NB had.

It seems late model iphones will log orientation, steps, lock/unlock, wakeup/sleep, steps etc - not sure about other phones.

IMO this kind of data would likely give fairly strong reference points as to when she put the phone down for the last time (or dropped it)

 

[annpats]

Most likely. Although as it is such a close knit community, perhaps they stood out if they were not known in the area?

If it was cold/raining, it doesn't seem unusual to me that a couple of anglers were hanging their heads low to brave the elements and try to keep warm. Fairly typical pose, I would think.

And they were seen the day before Nicola went missing.
I could get more hopeful if it were the same day. But nope. It wasn't.

Edited to add: apparently one of them was seen the same day she went missing too.
Don't know if these men are a red herring or not. If they had fishing rods with them, they may be deemed to be genuine. Fishing equipment would just get in the way if abducting someone.

 

[Mr X]

I'd be interested to know what type of phone NB had.

It seems late model iphones will log orientation, steps, lock/unlock, wakeup/sleep, steps etc - not sure about other phones.

IMO this kind of data would likely give fairly strong reference points as to when she put the phone down for the last time (or dropped it)

The excellent lady police officer in the press conference did use the words "telephony work" regarding the position of the phone so IMO it was a pretty modern and up to date piece of hardware.

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm sure none of the villagers would mind having their property searched though. Anyone that did would immediately raise a red flag imo

I'm sure some wouldn't mind and some would. It might be very time consuming for LE to go from house to house, searching each one. Unless it's a very tiny village.

Still, I have never seen LE search an area the missing person was not last seen in unless they had specific evidence leading them to believe a victim or suspect is there. Usually the procedure is to follow the evidence.

 

[pineapple23]

The most logical place to dispose of a possibly accidental/unplanned death would surely now be in the river nearer to the sea, the Police have virtually written that script by saying NB is most likely in the river. In my mind if someone had hidden the body on land maybe in a hurry, then it would be a consideration to move it to the tidal river in the hope it either dissapears into the sea or is found but is too decomposed to find out what really happened.
Possibly why the searches have moved further towards the sea maybe?
MOO and IMO

Some years back, Lindsay Rimer a 13 year old went missing in a town local to me. They searched the canal which ran through the town but she wasn't found till the following year a mile upstream and weighed down by a boulder, thought to have been dislodged by dredging operations. It was a clear case of murder and they believed she had been placed in that location rather than having drifted there. It was only chance that found her. Unfortunately water doesn't always give up its secrets.

 

[Mandalas]

And they were seen the day before Nicola went missing.
I could get more hopeful if it were the same day. But nope. It wasn't.

I think though there have been reports that one of them was seen the morning of Nicola's disappearance around the same time as the previous day. If that is true, why would that be? Scouting the route/area for a potential abduction?

The fact they were carrying fishing rods without any of the other usual gear is a little unusual IMO.

Edited to correct typo.