Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #12

[flysleuthD]

Interesting. I'll check that programme out on All 4.

Was the one with the drag queen vivienne...remember seeing it on gogglebox!

 

[TooMuchGun]

sorry Im playing catchup but has anyone been cleared by LE?

 

[Mr X]

Why would they throw it there if their point was that they wanted willow on the lead

IMO possibly just frustration due to NB not engaging as she was busy on phone and did not take the other person seriously.

 

[Mandalas]

sorry Im playing catchup but has anyone been cleared by LE?

Wouldn't that only apply if it was a criminal investigation (which this isn't)?

 

[DaFroome]

it seems to be very rare but it is not unheard of for otters to attack humans. I don't think it has been recorded in ths country but if the otters were non indigenous and had been introduced to the area by humans they may have different behaviour.

Seems wildly unlikely but is it possible that this was an animal attack of some sort?

Wildly unlikely, as you say

 

[Davieson]

sorry Im playing catchup but has anyone been cleared by LE?

Cleared of what? No crime has been declared

 

[cortina]

a couple. of. people have asked about the. second fisherman on the day nb disappeared...I read somewhere earlier that the witness said that they'd definitely seen one and. thought they'd glimpsed the other walking in front. of him, but they couldn't be. sure.

ive known situations where people, have managed to get into. sites. and caravans when they're officially closed...not saying its happened here, but. it is possible

 

[debrat007]

The detail that I find more convincing re falling into the river is the fact the dog harness was found halfway down the embankment.

Nicola Bulley's partner recalls moment he found out she was missing in call

The partner of missing mum Nicola Bulley, Paul Ansell revealed that he wasn't 'overly concerned' when Nicola didn't return home at her usual time and assumed she got chatting to a friend

www.dailystar.co.uk

To me this suggests Nicola had approached the river edge on the embankment and was in the vicinity.

The alternative is a perp theee it there to stage an accident but IMO the fall is more likely.

Bless her. Those poor kids.

Thank you for this info - I thought leash was found on bench. Did they ever mention dog and it’s collar being soaked/very wet?

 

[Sloth12]

I agree. With the one that was seen the following day, was he carrying any equipment as with the previous morning?

Another question I have - Is it usual to set up very early to fish? Eg. Do anglers tend to head out early for a better chance of a good catch, or is timing irrelevant? Just trying to ascertain whether being out at that time is in and of itself unusual, especially without all the usual gear so we can assume they weren't setting up for a long day at it.

I am a fisherman and very early morning just after sun up is often the best time to fish, the fish tend to bite more at this time of day, along with just before sun down. And anglers will go out stupidly early to try and make a good day of it. Some anglers will take a trolley full of tackle, others may take just a rod, net and a small bag.

 

[Sloth12]

I agree. With the one that was seen the following day, was he carrying any equipment as with the previous morning?

Another question I have - Is it usual to set up very early to fish? Eg. Do anglers tend to head out early for a better chance of a good catch, or is timing irrelevant? Just trying to ascertain whether being out at that time is in and of itself unusual, especially without all the usual gear so we can assume they weren't setting up for a long day at it.

I am a fisherman and very early morning just after sun up is often the best time to fish, the fish tend to bite more at this time of day, along with just before sun down. And anglers will go out stupidly early to try and make a good day of it. Some anglers will take a trolley full of tackle, others may take just a rod, net and a small bag.

 

[msmarple99]

Thank you for this info - I thought leash was found on bench. Did they ever mention dog and it’s collar being soaked/very wet?

Willow was DRY

 

[Mr X]

Bone dry apparently.

I don't know what the difference is.

 

[Mandalas]

I am a fisherman and very early morning just after sun up is often the best time to fish, the fish tend to bite more at this time of day, along with just before sun down. And anglers will go out stupidly early to try and make a good day of it. Some anglers will take a trolley full of tackle, others may take just a rod, net and a small bag.

Thanks for the insight, this is what I suspected.

I'm not sure the fishermen are anything but a red herring in terms of the abduction theory, but may be useful witnesses, especially if they were nearby if/when Nicola fell into the water.

 

[PS8800]

We all wish dogs would talk , but they already do , in their own way .
The little evidence we have on Willow from that morning , is not exactly of little significance .
Apart for being "bone dry" , she was "found in agitated state" moving between the bench and the gate .
Not between the bench and the river .
We have no reports , by the police or anybody else that Willow ever signalled , smelled , searched , looked near the river.
The argument that Willow could have been running around and at a distance from Nicola , is very legit.
In my view , instead , it is more probable that after being seen at 0910 in upper field , they returned to the bench area .
Willow is then subsequently found near the gate because that's the last place she saw Nicola , and by the bench because that is where Nicola's phone is and her lead and harness are.

Let's try and focus on what the dog did , rather than what it would or wouldn't do , IMO.

Also , yes , dogs very much live in the moment , that is very true .
But they also associate traumatic memory with places . We have PA's telling us that he brought Willow back , the description of her behaviour is consistent with non-aggressive/traumatic removal of Nicola from the scene .
There is no traumatic memory which prevents the dog from "living in the moment" when taken back to the scene .
So it kind of follows that the "agitated state" she was found in , on the day , can be simply attributed to the confusion of not being able to see or find a member of her pack.

This is just from my experience with dogs and trying to interpret their language .
Which is much more direct and quick in its non-rationalised structure.

The dog was trying to do what it does every single walk. Harness on at bench, out through gate. Bench-gate.

 

[CriLondon]

The dog was trying to do what it does every single walk. Harness on at bench, out through gate. Bench-gate.

It wanted to do that at 0933 , just after whatever happened , happened ?
Possible , to me unlikely given the set of circumstances.

 

[guiser]

I don't know what that means.

If it means that detail does not matter then I will politely disagree.

IMO the term 'bone dry' is significant.

Trouble is, it might not have been significant to the person who said, wrote or reported it in the first place.

All of the info on here has come via another human being, whether they be a police officer just trying to skim through a whole bunch of bullet points, or a journalist trying to fill out their word count and get some clicks, or a well meaning local with a camera or voice recorder shoved in their face.
Nuance doesn't live there and neither do degrees of dryness.
The point has been made ad finitum that the dog was dry.
As in, it hadn't been submerged in the water.
That is as good as it's going to get.

 

[pineapple23]

Thank you for this info - I thought leash was found on bench.

It was the harness that was apparently on the slope not the leash.

 

[funkilines]

I'd doubt she would take Willow into the river in January regardless? I certainly wouldn't let my dog in the river when it's so cold (plus so hard to clean them in winter!).

Sorry am new to this site and i don't know where I should put my comment... Has anyone looked into the possibility of a dingy or boat being in the area?

 

[Grouse]

We dont know that they havent already been identified and/or come forward though do we? This is the issue when people go to the media with information, police are mindful as to what they release to both protect people who are not suspects and the integrity of the investigation. It puts them in a tricky spot as well as if they were to release a statement regarding this it would sort of confirm they believe there were 2 people with fishing apparel in the area, which seems far from certain? JMO.

Apparently he didn't just go to the media with it though. "The man said he contacted Lancashire Police on Monday January 30 and again on Friday February 3, but did not hear back from them until Wednesday February 8." (BBM)

"He said: “It’s frustrating — it would have been much better if I had been spoken to straight away as it was fresher in my mind.”"

Nicola Bulley cops took 'nine days' to contact key witness

 

[debrat007]

Bone dry apparently.

I don't know what the difference is.

This means Willow did not go in the water. My dogs and their collars stay wet long after(in chilly Oregon). Given this I don’t see beautiful Nicola going in the water.