Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #13

[cuecard]

How quickly everyone jumps to assume NB was an 'alcoholic'. I can't think of anything more disrespectful to make that assumption based on a tweet about alcohol 'issues'. There's a gulf of possibilities between the two, and to be absolutely blunt NB isn't the one telling the world that.

She isn’t, no. But I’d imagine her partner and family would have to have allowed this information to be released and I don’t think they’d have taken that step lightly. It’s probably very private and very painful on top of everything else they are going through.

 

[Mr X]

I see what you are saying but ... literally 20 minutes before she had been engaging with passersby, logging into a Teams call, etc. -- it's difficult to see how one could swing from ordinary everyday routine (removing dog harness in field, etc.) to completely irrational and uncaring about the dog's fate, in a matter of fewer than 20 minutes.

Very perplexing.

Regarding the dog. I think it is possible that the missing person wanted to be close to someone they really cared about in their last moments. I know this is incredibly sad but I can relate to this. A pet is not going to need the sort of trauma rehabilitation therapy that a close family member would. You could argue that the dog was a way to be less alone IMO.

 

[wens67]

Her parents are from a different generation where admitting a daughter is an alcoholic would feel shameful. We are more open in today's society about MH, drug addiction etc but there is still a massive stigma attached to these conditions. It is possible to still be a great mother to childre, a great friend, person and still be an alcoholic, it doesn't fully define the person you are. Unfortunately when people self medicate with alcohol to cope with depression it makes the depression worse because a lot of people will do and say things, become aggressive when under the influence and then feel ten times worse the next day with the guilt and shame and then will have another drink to blot it out and it soon becomes a never ending circle of destruction. I know my mum, being from a different generation wouldn't have wanted the world to know about my sister, so they have probably held off making it public for her parents sake.

 

[Nikynoo]

I wonder what PF is thinking right now.

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[crystalline]

If she was in the menapause...and this is just MOO at just 45 her hormones were all over the place, in my experience at 45 i went into overnight menopause due to surgery. HRT takes months to get right and not all women can take them. What im saying is each womens is very different in severity, however menopause alone can cause depression, memory loss, anxiety, lightheaded you name it. That hormonal inbalance can be huge.

 

[IKnowNowt]

A lot of people probably don't realise that if you are an alcoholic you don't have to actually have been drinking recently for it to impact your behaviour.

I'm guessing people would assume from all this that the missing person was drunk but this very likely to not be the case.

In fact I would suggest that the chances of coming to harm through accidents is higher when not intoxicated if the person is a known alcoholic.

No figures or links for this and it is strictly IMO.

Morning after drinking a lot comes to mind.

Yes, I don't know if that was the case with my family members, but I suspect long term alcohol abuse can impair one's thought processes and actions. Both of the accidental deaths occurred in the evening with very small amounts of alcohol present (under legal driving limit).

 

[Katykins]

That’s true but maybe something will come of it, and it may possibly be the thought behind it - to raise awareness to perimenopause and menopause and unique emotional and psychological effects and toll

Agree, if anything good can come if this it could be that the menopause is more openly discussed, perhaps men have a bit of a better understanding (eg I was surprised to see some men asking “can menopause cause depression?”) and perhaps also some awareness of the fact there has been a significant HRT shortage in the UK for the last 2+ years

 

[Allabouttrial]

hi guys, I haven't posted about NB here yet but I've been following the news.
Just wondering if she intended to end her life that morning, why go on the teams call? why bring the dog? Just makes me think she didn't want anyone to find her/or find out what happened. This could've all been planned to a T and these things were done to make people think she was in her right mind.
I'm actually glad these details about her personal life have come out, as sad as it is it does shed light on the situation more and the police being adament she's in the water. I understand depression and alcoholism and I really feel for that family today. Hoping they get answers soon

Suicide is not always something that's planned beforehand, it can and often is in the spur of the moment.

 

[Kor_Phaeron]

If NB had a severe alcohol addiction but hadn't had a drink for a while, one tragic possibility is a withdrawal seizure.

Highly unlikely. In order to suffer from the DTs she'd have to be chronically drunk. Like, drunk practically 24/7 for an extended period of time.
Being able to hold down a job, never mind keep a schedule and manage to walk the dog would be nigh-on impossible with that level of drinking.
I'm an alcoholic and have had the displeasure of suffering the DTs once, after a particularly intense and extended period of drinking. The days leading up to that I could barely get myself to the shops, never mind drive a car.

I suspect that she's hidden a stash of alcohol nearby (very, very common with alcoholics, particularly functioning alcoholics), this would explain PA's "she's not in the river" and "check nearby buildings" statements . She's then become intoxicated and either fallen into the river elsewhere or met her demise somewhere nearby. I find it  extremely unlikely that she'd be drinking anywhere that somebody might come across her, such as a well used dog walking route. There's a massive amount of shame involved with alcoholism.

 

[NextSprint]

I've had a look but can't find a legal basis for the police to release this sort of information publicly. Whether they got it from PA, NB's GP, or any other source, I'm not sure it's legally justifiable. JMO.

 

[Wishingwell]

I keep thinking back to the start of the investigation and how quick both PA and the police reacted. The only 2 things highlighted initially were the river and links to Thornton, Cleveleys I seem to recall. I wonder why Thornton was mentioned? Did she live there previously? What links did she have there if not? Has she gone missing previously? JMO

 

[what-if]

Nicola Bulley: Missing mum suffered with ‘significant alcohol issues’ in the past, police say

Police say this caused some real challenges for Paul and the family.
“As a result of those issues, a response car staffed by both police and health professionals attended a report of concern for welfare at Nicola’s home address on January 10.”

It all makes a lot more sense now, doesn’t it?

 

[what-if]

I've had a look but can't find a legal basis for the police to release this sort of information publicly. Whether they got it from PA, NB's GP, or any other source, I'm not sure it's legally justifiable. JMO.

Presumably a journalist had this story and they decided to get ahead of it.

 

[EvaP]

Not enough is done to support women through menopause or peri menopause. More is being done with talk and medication than years ago, however more women are juggling ill health with work and motherhood. It’s a pressure cooker situation . It’s a shame she hadn’t received medical intervention as there is light at the end of a very dark tunnel. I’ve got nothing more to say than that. Poor lady must feel/have felt so very desperate.

 

[wallaby]

Apologies if this has already been shared.

“Nicola Bulley latest: Police went to missing mum's home weeks before disappearance over 'concerns for her welfare'”

Police went to Nicola Bulley's home weeks before disappearance

She struggled with alcohol

www.mylondon.news

 

[nothinonyou]

Suicide is not always something that's planned beforehand, it can and often is in the spur of the moment.

I'm fully aware of that. I'm saying because of the dog walking and going on the Teams call, it COULD have been planned

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm glad they've revealed this now, but I understand why they didn't to start with. They had no idea how huge this case would become and how much criticism they would get for no reason.

It's all very sad.

 

[kittythehare]

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[Allabouttrial]

She isn’t, no. But I’d imagine her partner and family would have to have allowed this information to be released and I don’t think they’d have taken that step lightly. It’s probably very private and very painful on top of everything else they are going through.

Not according to this statement:

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"We have explained to Nicola's family why we have released this further information and we would ask that their privacy is respected at this difficult time."

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Nicola Bulley's 'significant issues with alcohol' police announce

Police revealed the personal information after stating Ms Bulley was a "high-risk" missing person due to a "number of specific vulnerabilities" during a press conference to update the public.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Agatha3]

If LE consider no evidence of 3rd party, why take over the SM accounts? That seems to me like they are still proactively looking for clues.
So an outward dismissive attitude and inwardly still investigating? One can only hope.

To stop abusive posts?