Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #13

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Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I've been reading the threads since day one, but have felt compelled to register and contribute based on the recently released information. I've found myself feeling desperately sad to find out Nicola struggled with alcohol. As an alcoholic myself (currently doing yet another reduction plan, after nearly two decades of struggling) I know how utterly hellish and desperate addiction can be. My heart breaks for her, and I can understand the police not wanting to divulge that information due to the hurtful and judgemental stereotypes some people have of those of us who struggle with it.

A few things which MOO are worth considering. Suddenly completely stopping (or even significantly reducing) alcohol consumption can lead someone who is physically dependent on it (not that I'm saying Nicola was, as we simply don't know) to experience DTs (delerium tremors) which can present as auditory/visual hallucinations, confusion etc. In extreme cases, it can also bring about sudden seizures. Which would obviously be even more dangerous if one occurred near water. Again, just from my own personal experiences and IMO. I'm not in any way saying that was the case here, but I'm assuming the police would have looked into that possibility.

Also, someone's tolerance level, if they have a previous history of alcohol issues, can increase very rapidly if they begin using alcohol again. It's a process called 'kindling.' Again, I know from my own personal experience how quickly tolerance can go up and how someone can still appear perfectly lucid, coherent and without any impaired motor functions even after a huge dose of alcohol. Again, IMO MOO, but another thing worth considering in terms of people speculating whether someone would have the capacity to drive, whether it would be obvious to those around them if someone had been drinking etc.

The press release states Nicola had begun struggling again recently. And again, from my personal experience, this is a hugely devastating blow psychologically to someone who struggles with alcohol issues. We work so hard to get them under control, can become sober for lengths of time, and then relapse despite constantly fighting every single second not to. There's such a huge amount of shame, guilt and hopelessness which goes along with that. Sometimes those feelings are so extreme, you believe the only way to finally be free of it is to remove yourself from the world and to end both your own suffering and the suffering of those who love you. Again, I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's definitely something which is a possibility. And one which breaks my heart for Nicola.

I hope so much that people are kind after this infomation has been released. Nobody knows the absolute hell of addiction unless they have been there themself, and I hope people don't judge Nicola for it, or make assumptions about the type of person she was. We are more than just our addiction, and we fight so hard to overcome it. Some of us simply don't make it, whether that's due to an accident whilst impaired, or actively by our own hand when the suffering becomes too much to bear.

Apologies for the lengthy post. Thank you for taking the time to read it. Wishing you all a peaceful evening, my friends.
That is a quite brilliant and sensitive post.
I'm sure it will resonate with many people, and even those fortunate enough not to have been the victim of alcohol dependency can probably empathise to some extent. Very well constructed content. Well done.
 
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Just wanted to add my thoughts after that's turn of events. I think the police here are doing their best in exceptionally difficult circumstances. No one told them managing a viral outcry on social media would be in the job description, at least to this extent. The scrutiny must be very trying, but it is right too that we hold our powers to account. As others have said, I also think this case has triggered a very raw, unhealed wound in the public sphere following the Sarah Everard case, and others besides. The police is facing herculean public pressure.

That aside, I suspect the events of the night before NB's disappearance are related to her choices the following morning. What if she was having a crisis of confidence, or had to disclose something to her boss related to the recent domestic incident?

What if in the process of 'investigation', NB became too close for comfort to the realisation that perhaps social services would have to be involved, or her whole life was at risk of tumbling down? She has clearly presented a very wholesome, happy family profile online, which suggests to me that as an identity and indicator of personal success, this is hugely important to her. Backed up even further by PA's comments about her devotion to her children and dog.

Perhaps there was a hair trigger in that morning's Teams meeting. Perhaps, she and PA had had a disagreement the night before, triggering the meet up with her boss in fear of the ramifications or perhaps just to talk to someone a little at a distance from the family. It seems like a small company, so would not be unusual to have a very close relationship with a boss in that circumstance. Perhaps the threat of investigation was just too much, too much to bear, too much to process, and during that Teams call, she just made a sudden decision to go, walk away, leave it all .... rather than to face the horror and pain of dealing with the reality of the truth of things. If she already had an issue with alcohol, that in it itself - as others have identified, and some of us relate to so well - creates all sorts of issues of mind and perspective. Add to that any other number of variables such as mental health, social stigma pressures, menopause or any daily life pressures that most of us in the UK are experiencing, well..... it's not hard to see how it could all have got too much, all of a sudden.

Perhaps part of the police's strategy with today's presser and the release of the vulnerability detail (shocked as I am at them sharing such private data so publicly, on a moral level never mind legal) is to try to stop all the public speculation and outcry. Because if Nicola is still out there somewhere, she will no doubt be able to read everything that is traversing the social media platforms. I believe in freedom of speech but not to the detriment of the safety of others, physical AND psychological. That is after all, what Duty of Care is all about.

So perhaps, just perhaps, Nicola is still out there. And perhaps, just perhaps, if things quieten down a little, she will feel brave enough to come back to her family. That is, if she has not taken matters into her own hands.

One can only hope.
 
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Poor Nicola .. she can’t defend herself against any of this. What if she could tell her side of things?

100% and I only pray she is alive to tell her side of the story. The worst part of all this is that if she never turns up and someone has maliciously harmed her, for ever more her missing person / death will be considered 'misadventure' and they will have not only got away with it but blamed the victim.
 
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Has LE known of her “issues and menopause” since day 1? Do we know?
 
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I would be very interested to hear what the grandparents have to say about the 'alcoholic' and 'menopause' issues.

Why? What possible significance would their input have?
 
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Has LE known of her “issues and menopause” since day 1? Do we know?

Must have done somewhat as they attended an 'incident'.
 
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Maybe the police believe if she has left of her own will and is mortified somewhere, bringing her health issues into the open and seeing the public's compassion and kindness might encourage her to come back
Could have the opposite effect and tip a person over the edge however they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I think all need to back off and let them find her and bring her back to family.
 
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Here’s a screenshot of the two bus stops in both directions , the nearest bus stops to the exit of the fields by the iron bridge which has no cctv.
it’s possible the bus stop opposite the garage is covered by the garages cctv but the other one on the garage side won’t be. Could it be possible that she just got on a bus?
 

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I'm shocked they released this information, I work for an organisation in the UK as a counsellor with people who have various MH problems including those that may be a risk for self harm and suicide, breaking Nicola's right to privacy and confidentiality with the press like this is very surprising.
But surely they must have run this decision via the NCA first
Wouldn't the protocols be different here because risk assessment was life or death situation?

( NCA has been partnering them on their investigation because NCA are the go-to organisation in all misper cases)
 
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Poor Nicola,so very sad for her and her family.

Unfortunately, low mood and alcohol consumption very often go hand in hand, alcohol is a depressant that alters brain chemicals, some sufferers get get stuck in the vicious cycle, sometimes one contributing to the other.
Those suffering from low mood (whatever may have caused it) have an increased likelihood of substance abuse while those who use substances are at an increased risk for depression.
 
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Why? What possible significance would their input have?
It would possibly no longer give validation to the statement in some peoples opinion.
 
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Just wanted to add my thoughts after that's turn of events. I think the police here are doing their best in exceptionally difficult circumstances. No one told them managing a viral outcry on social media would be in the job description, at least to this extent. The scrutiny must be very trying, but it is right too that we hold our powers to account. As others have said, I also think this case has triggered a very raw, unhealed wound in the public sphere following the Sarah Everard case, and others besides. The police is facing herculean public pressure.

That aside, I suspect the events of the night before NB's disappearance are related to her choices the following morning. What if she was having a crisis of confidence, or had to disclose something to her boss related to the recent domestic incident?

What if in the process of 'investigation', NB became too close for comfort to the realisation that perhaps social services would have to be involved, or her whole life was at risk of tumbling down? She has clearly presented a very wholesome, happy family profile online, which suggests to me that as an identity and indicator of personal success, this is hugely important to her. Backed up even further by PA's comments about her devotion to her children and dog.

Perhaps there was a hair trigger in that morning's Teams meeting. Perhaps, she and PA had had a disagreement the night before, triggering the meet up with her boss in fear of the ramifications or perhaps just to talk to someone a little at a distance from the family. It seems like a small company, so would not be unusual to have a very close relationship with a boss in that circumstance. Perhaps the threat of investigation was just too much, too much to bear, too much to process, and during that Teams call, she just made a sudden decision to go, walk away, leave it all .... rather than to face the horror and pain of dealing with the reality of the truth of things. If she already had an issue with alcohol, that in it itself - as others have identified, and some of us relate to so well - creates all sorts of issues of mind and perspective. Add to that any other number of variables such as mental health, social stigma pressures, menopause or any daily life pressures that most of us in the UK are experiencing, well..... it's not hard to see how it could all have got too much, all of a sudden.

Perhaps part of the police's strategy with today's presser and the release of the vulnerability detail (shocked as I am at them sharing such private data so publicly, on a moral level never mind legal) is to try to stop all the public speculation and outcry. Because if Nicola is still out there somewhere, she will no doubt be able to read everything that is traversing the social media platforms. I believe in freedom of speech but not to the detriment of the safety of others, physical AND psychological. That is after all, what Duty of Care is all about.

So perhaps, just perhaps, Nicola is still out there. And perhaps, just perhaps, if things quieten down a little, she will feel brave enough to come back to her family. That is, if she has not taken matters into her own hands.

One can only hope.

Very well put and thought out. I agree with everything you have written here.
 
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well- remembered!
Embarrassed to say/admit? From personal experience people with some level of alcohol addiction need an intervention usually from family or friends. Most say they don’t have a problem with alcohol IMHO.
 
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Here’s a screenshot of the two bus stops in both directions , the nearest bus stops to the exit with no cctv. it’s possible the bus stop opposite is in the garages cctv but the other one on the garage side won’t be. Could it be possible that she just got on a bus?
I live in a different part of the UK, but all our local buses have cctv on the bus. I’d be surprised if they didn’t in this day and age.
 
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I would be very interested to hear what the grandparents have to say about the 'alcoholic' and 'menopause' issues.
Why? Are you suggesting PA is making it up? Are we really going back down that road.
 
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Here’s a screenshot of the two bus stops in both directions , the nearest bus stops to the exit of the fields by the iron bridge which has no cctv.
it’s possible the bus stop opposite the garage is covered by the garages cctv but the other one on the garage side won’t be. Could it be possible that she just got on a bus?
Without a bus driver and other passengers recognizing her its doubtful. At least one.
 
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I'm not sure how to articulate the following and don't want to jump to conclusions at all. However, my ex was a paramedic, and this has all reminded me of a conversation we had not that long ago.

According to them, there is a known phenomenon amongst the emergency services that certain vulnerable people are very often drawn towards bodies of water - he specifically cited intoxicated people and autistic children. This stuck out to me vividly because I have had issues with drinking in the past, and having lived in a city with a river running through it, was found on two occasions by strangers, when I was intoxicated, right at the water's edge. Thank god they were there. I couldn't tell you what drew me to the water's edge those nights, but when my ex told me this years later it really stuck with me, and I can't help but think of it now.

I wish I could remember more of what they said about this. He specifically used the word 'phenomenon', as if it was repeated and well-known but perhaps still not understood behaviour. Perhaps others have heard of this? I don't want to insinuate Nicola was intoxicated at the time either and this is JMO MOO of course, but it just struck me having heard this new information.
Yes, this is definitely something I've heard about too. A lady up here in the north east walked out of her house in the early hours of boxing day and walked miles to the river Tyne. She'd been suffering from mental health issues and was drawn to the water, she was found drowned some days later and I remember reading that it's common for people with depression/mental health issues etc to be drawn to water.
 
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I live in a different part of the UK, but all our local buses have cctv on the bus. I’d be surprised if they didn’t in this day and age.
And outside of the bus. Would be interesting to see how often the buses ran and what time they were due at the bus stops along the routes
 
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My heart goes out to Nicola and her family with these revelations. The whole situation, even if things turn out ‘ok’ and Nicola is able to return home safe and well, has been just awful . To feel the need to share this most personal of circumstances to everyone must be awful for all of her family , especially her kids . I just hope that if she HAS just gone off for a breather she has the strength to go back to her family soon. How easy that will be I just don’t know . Couldn’t imagine being in this situation . Agree with what has been posted previously…. Alcohol / menopause issues aside , the lady is still missing .
 
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