Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

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  • #441
IMO possible that someone abducted the missing person by the shed then tied the dog to the bench. Phone is lost during the struggle. Lands on the path. Exit via one of the gates. Later someone picks up the phone, arrives to find a loose dog and nobody about but something happening in the bushes. Assumes person has gone to relieve themselves so leaves the phone on the bench and walks on.

Activity heard in the bushes could have been the abductor and the missing person.

Apparently it is a TOS violation to include other people in this scenario so must be cautious. No evidence has been provided that there was anyone else involved in this disappearance.
 
  • #442
I see something like this as entirely possible. I won't be at all surprised if she's found alive, but I won't be at all surprised if it turns out that she ran off and committed suicide.
I'm at:
30% voluntary/still alive
30% voluntary/suicide
20% abduction
20% accidental drowning

I'm at:
100% died.
0% not sure how.

I wax and wane on the various theories, but none of them seem to fit right.

I just hope Nicola's body will resurface in the river/estuary, because if it doesn't, this case will never be resolved.

There may also be long reaching implications for women's safety when walking/jogging alone. The. Sarah Everard case was bad enough.
 
  • #443
Yesterday there was some renewed mention about Willow being tied up with string by a witness. I think there is a possibility that the word string was just a poor choice of words and that strap may have been more appropriate. I have seen a number of photos where there is a strap tied to the bench, apparently (according to what I read), this strap is always there and people do use it to tie their dog up. One photo I did see had the strap on top of the bench, but I can't find it now, this indicated possibly the police had removed it at some point. Here is a photo showing the strap tied to the bottom of the bench.
I believe the mention of 'string' to tie up Willow came from a FB post that was full of inaccuracies.
 
  • #444
I believe the mention of 'string' to tie up Willow came from a FB post that was full of inaccuracies.
Yes I believe it did, but I did see on social media many people took it to mean normal string and questioned why someone would be carrying string, they all seem to unfairly assume it was the lady from the caravan park and deemed her 'suspicious'.
 
  • #445
Yes I believe it did, but i did see on social media many people took it do mean normal string and questioned why someone would be carrying string, they all seem to unfairly assume it was the lady from the caravan park and deemed her 'suspicious'.
Yep. It was all "why was the lady carrying string with her!!!!"

Plus now we know that she wasn't alone and that Ron arrived shortly afterward.
 
  • #446
Do we think that it was just P & R on the scene at 9:33. That they tethered the dog and then went on their way assuming owner was relieving themselves/looking for the lost dog and would be back soon.

Did P maybe go off to her appointment but came back after and was surprised dog was still there and only then started ringing around to vet, DIL, school etc and that’s when PA finally got the call - as those 3 calls wouldn’t have taken more than 5 minutes surely?
I know we're all going round and round in circles on this point of who found the dog and when, who tied it up etc. So I've been attempting to piece it together to put in some context now that Ron has outlined events on the live walking the route broadcast by Sky. I'll put it together in one post here, which I'm going to say still raises questions, but maybe will make some sense at least
 
  • #447
I know we're all going round and round in circles on this point of who found the dog and when, who tied it up etc. So I've been attempting to piece it together to put in some context now that Ron has outlined events on the live walking the route broadcast by Sky. I'll put it together in one post here, which I'm going to say still raises questions, but maybe will make some sense at least

And I think that’s important it ‘raises questions’ and not suspicions.
 
  • #448
The transcript is contained on the media links etc page. If you navigate to page 1 of this thread thr link is there
Thanks so much for the transcript. I personally can’t see anything here where he is even hinting at suicide or her taking herself off. No appeal for her to come back - such as ‘if you are out there Nikki - please come home - there is nothing that can’t be sorted etc.

He’s very much down the abduction route. - I don’t think he is being open minded to other options - or maybe they are (understandably) too intolerable for him to contemplate - that she made an active ‘choice’ to leave them all.
 
  • #449
The comments made against a female detective leading the search for Nicola Bulley have come under severe criticism from a former police watchdog.

Zoe Billingham, a previous HM inspector of constabulary, said the remarks by “a small section of the media” were “really disturbing”.

“It’s the 21st century. I think it’s important to call out the disgraceful comments (in a small section of the media) about the appearance of a competent senior female detective,” Ms Billingham tweeted.

 
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<modsnip - quoted post was removed> Nicola was seen holding the phone in front of her, listening to the phone without any headphones/earbuds, therefore it wolud be very hard for the abductor to know she did not have camera or mic enabled in the meeting, or know she was even in a Teams meeting and not on a video call.
 
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  • #452
lol, guessed from the usage here on thread that's what it meant.Didn't realize it was a newer type word in urban dictionary. :) (never heard of it here in Canada!)Kind of a cool sounding word.
Now, stop faffing about, and make sure you use it in a sentence to someone in Canada today!
 
  • #453

The ghoulish online sleuths are shameful, but that’s no excuse for how the police have treated Nicola Bulley​

Every British police force must learn from Lancashire’s mistake: disclosing personal details is no way to respond to conspiracists
Gaby Hinsliff

Strawman argument from the journo there.
It wasn't in response to 'conspiracists'.
 
  • #454
Anyone know if there's been any checks for trail cams in the area where Nicola disappeared ?
I doubt there are any. We don't really have too much of that kind of thing in the UK.
Land is either privately owned or comes under the jurisdiction of local councils, neither of whom would put up a "trail cam". There wouldn't really be much to capture ....perhaps a fox or something. Hardly worth the bother.

It's not like we've got bears, moose etc. like the USAn& Canaida have.
 
  • #455
One of those cameras cyclists wear on their helmets. A popular brand is "GoPro".

Interesting about bikes. The kissing gate does not look bike friendly but I imagine occasional keen mountain bikers probably do go there from time to time .


IMO the obedience level of the dog is interesting.

If the missing person went or was taken via the gate perhaps the dog would have just stayed if told to. Some dogs are very obedient.
I agree that the obedience level of the dog is relevant. I also think the dog running between the bench and gate could have been because they saw another person and there dogs approaching eg P & R - so were greeting them rather than chasing after where NB left.

But it could be both. It’s a tiny area between river bank and bench / gate. Dog could have been on the river bank for 10 minutes and then came up to the gate when sensed other dogs / people approaching - normal dog behaviour. P & R would not have been able to see where the dog was before until they were almost through the gate due to visibility. The dog would have sensed the other dogs from a significant distance and come up to the gate from the riverbank to greet them.

Or she was always at the bench where she was told to stay.
 
  • #456
If a woman was described as faffing about I would think of things such as using a mirror to ensure the makeup was okay, rummaging around in handbag etc.

IMO in the images published of the missing person she does appear to use a lot of makeup.
We can all have opinions on what we consider “a lot of makeup” but disregarding that, this is a new theory I haven’t heard, are you suggesting she could have fallen in the river while checking her makeup in a mirror or rummaging through her handbag?

She said: "The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone. I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."
 
  • #457
Activity heard in the bushes could have been the abductor and the missing person.
Where does this information come from please?
 
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On the subject of the finding of Willow and the phone etc., this is what I've amassed as the storyline, following Ron's speaking out on the live Sky broadcast which was linked in a thread or two back from this current one. So I've had a good listen to what was said between Ron and the Sky outside broadcast...

Ron says he's certain of the time he came across Willow because he received a telephone call from his wife which had the time on it. He didn't say what that time was in this interview, but are we assuming his account is what sets that part of the official timeline at 9.33? We don't know why his wife happened to phone him at that opportune moment, some innocuous reason or because she had already heard about the scene at the bench? Because we also don't know if he and his wife even had the discussion that at that moment he was standing at the bench area where there was a loose dog and a phone with no one around.

The Sky reporter reminds Ron that they had previously spoken and that Ron told him he saw the phone, lead and Willow. No mention of a harness here, but the lead is mentioned. Ron also (when prompted) states the phone was on the bench. (This is despite it previously being on record that the man spotted it on the ground about 2ft away from the bench)

Ron doesn't say it directly but intimates he had walked away from the bench area thinking the dog owner had slipped off to the toilet and once he got past the little red brick building was thinking this isn't right. However he had already spoken to his wife and we don't know if she calls again or he continues on his walk?

Ron then garbles a bit that his wife is trying to ring him, he's trying to ring her, but he does say that Penny had rung his wife to say you should fasten the dog up. You is the word Ron used, not sure who the 'you' applies to? The question here is how does Penny know there is a loose dog? Has she also been at the scene and walked away too, leaving Willow loose? Because if she's already been there before Ron, is 9.33 the time she encountered the scene?

The Sky reporter then says to Ron, of course Penny had initially spotted Willow and the phone which Ron confirms. No mention that Penny tied Willow up and in fact Ron has already just said Penny rang his wife to say 'you' should fasten the dog up. Ron says 'cos of the wallpaper on the phone 'we' found out who the couple were. So the phone had been handled by him and someone else to have discovered that, and it is unknown who 'we' are?

Penny's appointment that she had to rush off to isn't mentioned. But all the while Ron hanging around there are phone calls flying back and forth between Ron's wife and Ron, Ron's wife and Penny. With 16 Threads behind us, can anyone confirm whether or not the subject of Penny and Ron's wife being sisters been raised?

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The comments made against a female detective leading the search for Nicola Bulley have come under severe criticism from a former police watchdog.

Zoe Billingham, a previous HM inspector of constabulary, said the remarks by “a small section of the media” were “really disturbing”.

“It’s the 21st century. I think it’s important to call out the disgraceful comments (in a small section of the media) about the appearance of a competent senior female detective,” Ms Billingham tweeted.



It’s madness - ‘black cocktail dress’??!! JSP full of contradictions

 
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