Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

[Nine Lives]

Nicola is listed as a shareholder in one of PA's LTD companies (looking at Companies House website). Oddly enough, the address listed for her is not her home address, but appears to track to a static caravan at Larbreck Hall Caravan Park, which is off of Garstang Road. The address listed appears to contain a spelling mistake which is odd, as HMRC would use that address for correspondence.

If the family has connections to a caravan there I'm sure it has all been checked out, but it does seem a little odd.

 

[Marie Bell]

On the subject of the finding of Willow and the phone etc., this is what I've amassed as the storyline, following Ron's speaking out on the live Sky broadcast which was linked in a thread or two back from this current one. So I've had a good listen to what was said between Ron and the Sky outside broadcast...

Ron says he's certain of the time he came across Willow because he received a telephone call from his wife which had the time on it. He didn't say what that time was in this interview, but are we assuming his account is what sets that part of the official timeline at 9.33? We don't know why his wife happened to phone him at that opportune moment, some innocuous reason or because she had already heard about the scene at the bench? Because we also don't know if he and his wife even had the discussion that at that moment he was standing at the bench area where there was a loose dog and a phone with no one around.

The Sky reporter reminds Ron that they had previously spoken and that Ron told him he saw the phone, lead and Willow. No mention of a harness here, but the lead is mentioned. Ron also (when prompted) states the phone was on the bench. (This is despite it previously being on record that the man spotted on the ground about 2ft away from the bench)

Ron doesn't say it directly but intimates he had walked away from the bench area thinking the dog owner had slipped off to the toilet and once he got past the little red brick building was thinking this isn't right. However he had already said

Ron then garbles a bit that his wife is trying to ring him, he's trying to ring her, but he does say that Penny had rung his wife to say you should fasten the dog up. You is the word Ron used, not sure who the 'you' applies to? The question here is how does Penny know there is a loose dog? Has she also been at the scene and walked away too, leaving Willow loose? Because if she's already been there before Ron, is 9.33 the time she encountered the scene?

The Sky reporter then says to Ron, of course Penny had initially spotted Willow and the phone which Ron confirms. No mention that Penny tied Willow up and in fact Ron is saying Penny rang his wife to say 'you' should fasten the dog up. Ron says 'cos of the wallpaper on the phone 'we' found out who the couple were. So the phone had been handled by him and someone else to have discovered that?

Penny's appointment that she had to rush off to isn't mentioned. But all the while Ron hanging around there are phone calls flying back and forth between Ron's wife and Ron, Ron's wife and Penny. With 16 Threads behind us, can anyone confirm whether or not the subject of Penny and Ron's wife being sisters been raised?

I think the official 9.33 was the time when Penny saw the dog and phone. 'Ron' doesn't say what time it was when he saw it, but says that the police know when it was because of the phone calls. It's not clear where 'Ron's wife was, but it sounds as though the phone call might have been along the lines of 'if you pass that bench and the phone and dog are still there, I think you should fasten it up and we'll try to locate the owners'. My opinion only.

 

[Bibitty]

Another point with the brick shed is you could actually hide behind it. You wouldn't even need to be on the roof to be invisible to people coming along the path.

You could entice the dog with treats then when the dog starts hanging around the owner comes around looking for the dog and you grab her.

Maybe this is why it took longer than usual to walk that section. Because the dog was lost (eating the treats?).
Phone is dropped during this interaction then placed on bench by abductor. Possibility of the dog being very obedient and simply told, by the owner, to stay there by the bench. I think you would say this if threatened and dog would do it if obedient.
Owner and abductor then leave by the gate.

This is how an abduction makes sense here. I think if you were stood behind the back wall there nobody on the path would notice you unless they were especially looking out.

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Image from sky news report.

IMO more likely to be a suicide and the dog shook itself out of the harness but who knows.

This Sky still shows the wrong route on the map on the LHS - it doesn’t show the towpath from the road but instead the track along the meander of the river bank - which she didn’t walk in on (but may have walked out on - on along downstream)

 

[rosieposie121]

I wonder what "significant issues with alcohol" actually means.



Is she dependent on alcohol ? Is alcohol always in her system?

Is the issue down to single episodes of excessive drinking?

Was she being treated at the time or in the past for alcohol addiction?

I'm not going anywhere with this I just wonder what a significant issue with alcohol would mean.

The only thing I can get from it is actual alcohol dependency. It can be quite dangerous to come off alcohol cold Turkey, you can suffer from delusions and all sorts of things. Maybe the Jan 10th episode was a wake up call for Nicola and she was trying to manage her withdrawal. I don't know. IMO MOO

 

[ruby925]

Wilow running loose at the scene still concerns me. Was the harness found on the ground fastened, which may indicate Willow had got out of it, was the harness attached to the lead (first mention of the lead in the last LP press conference?)? Or was Willow tied to that strap as shown in the photo in post above? If NB left scene of her own volition, I would guess that she would secure Willow with harness and lead to bench, so that she would be safe and found next to NB's fone for ID etc. If the harness was undone, not attached to lead, this would suggest to me that NB did not deliberately walk away or enter the river, so her disappearance more likely to be an accident or a third party was involved (not speculating abduction per se). All MOO.

 

[Mr X]

Two things about the phone. There is a stone plinth under the bench so it might have been there.

Secondly someone picking it up may well have cleaned it

I wonder what "significant issues with alcohol" actually means.



Is she dependent on alcohol ? Is alcohol always in her system?

Is the issue down to single episodes of excessive drinking?

Was she being treated at the time or in the past for alcohol addiction?

I'm not going anywhere with this I just wonder what a significant issue with alcohol would mean.

The only thing I can get from it is actual alcohol dependency. It can be quite dangerous to come off alcohol cold Turkey, you can suffer from delusions and all sorts of things. Maybe the Jan 10th episode was a wake up call for Nicola and she was trying to manage her withdrawal. I don't know. IMO MOO

I would say possibly had blood tests which showed liver problems. That would be a significant issue with alcohol but not a full blown hopeless alcoholic.

It's the sort of thing you might talk to other people about. So could be semi public knowledge at least in a small village..

 

[Cluella DeVille]

I think the official 9.33 was the time when Penny saw the dog and phone. 'Ron' doesn't say what time it was when he saw it, but says that the police know when it was because of the phone calls. It's not clear where 'Ron's wife was, but it sounds as though the phone call might have been along the lines of 'if you pass that bench and the phone and dog are still there, I think you should fasten it up and we'll try to locate the owners'. My opinion only.

Though hasn't it already been established that Penny was the person who tied Willow up using string (though we're not certain it was string or whether it's relevant what was used, even though it's now said the lead was left behind)?

 

[pineapple23]

If a woman was described as faffing about I would think of things such as using a mirror to ensure the makeup was okay, rummaging around in handbag etc.

IMO in the images published of the missing person she does appear to use a lot of makeup.

I don't know any women who take handbags on dog walks or apply/reapply make up while on the walk. If anyone described me as 'faffing around' in that context, it would most likely be because I'm tussling with some flyaway poo bags!

 

[rosieposie121]

Two things about the phone. There is a stone plinth under the bench so it might have been there.

Secondly someone picking it up may well have cleaned it


I would say possibly had blood tests which showed liver problems. That would be a significant issue with alcohol but not a full blown hopeless alcoholic.

It's the sort of thing you might talk to other people about. So could be semi public knowledge at least in a small village..

With PA comments on "what you see is what you get with Nicola" I wonder if it was common knowledge and she was open about it. Though Her dad originally said she had no health problems. So confusing.

 

[ginnyw]

I think about this case a lot, like all of us do. Still feel that there are many more things that point to it being an accident than anything intentional. My reasons for this are: (all MOO):

NB was by a steep bank and close to the water's edge.
She would not have IMO left Willow running free and just abandoned her beloved dog
Her parents said she was in a good mood when they last saw her
She was looking forward to a spa break and a play date
Her husband who IMO must know her extremely well, said she would not leave the girls or Willow as they were her world. Also that she very rarely spent a night away from the family and that this would have been out of character
She was doing normal, daily things when she was interrupted by whatever happened, on her normal daily walk route.
IMO, having a period of crisis doesn't necessarily mean that you would wade into a shallow river and try and take your own life.
If she had wanted to start a new life, there would be better ways of doing it, like driving off in the car and making sure Willow was safely at home first.
The police have no evidence whatsoever that she ever left the riverside area.
She was not seen in the company of a third party.
Whatever it was that happened, happened quickly.
She may not have been found yet but the water can hold its secrets for a long time.

If I try to come up with a similar list of reasons pointing to abduction or a new life off-grid, I can't do so.

JMO. MOO.

 

[abovethestorm]

Re-posting mainly as I'm interested to hear whether anyone else here on WS is hearing/suspects a degree of 'subtext' in this defence of Nicola:

"Mum-of-three Nadia - whose daughter is best friends with Ms Bulley's youngest girl - said: "The rumours are starting that Nikki is an unfit mum… I will not hear it. Nikki is the most amazing mum ever. Those girls are her world."

She added: "Many’s the time my daughter has spent time with Nikki without me and I’ve trusted her without question, why wouldn’t I?"

In the forthright Facebook post, Nadia continues: "I’ve never seen any red flags. Nikki is a normal mum. We all have ups and downs and being a mum is hard."

Nicola Bulley's friend slams trolls claiming missing mum is 'unfit' parent

The friend said that the cops' decision to publicise Nicola's struggles with the menopause and alcohol had fuelled nasty rumours

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[Officer Dibble]

On the subject of the finding of Willow and the phone etc., this is what I've amassed as the storyline, following Ron's speaking out on the live Sky broadcast which was linked in a thread or two back from this current one. So I've had a good listen to what was said between Ron and the Sky outside broadcast...

Ron says he's certain of the time he came across Willow because he received a telephone call from his wife which had the time on it. He didn't say what that time was in this interview, but are we assuming his account is what sets that part of the official timeline at 9.33? We don't know why his wife happened to phone him at that opportune moment, some innocuous reason or because she had already heard about the scene at the bench? Because we also don't know if he and his wife even had the discussion that at that moment he was standing at the bench area where there was a loose dog and a phone with no one around.

The Sky reporter reminds Ron that they had previously spoken and that Ron told him he saw the phone, lead and Willow. No mention of a harness here, but the lead is mentioned. Ron also (when prompted) states the phone was on the bench. (This is despite it previously being on record that the man spotted it on the ground about 2ft away from the bench)

Ron doesn't say it directly but intimates he had walked away from the bench area thinking the dog owner had slipped off to the toilet and once he got past the little red brick building was thinking this isn't right. However he had already spoken to his wife and we don't know if she calls again or he continues on his walk?

Ron then garbles a bit that his wife is trying to ring him, he's trying to ring her, but he does say that Penny had rung his wife to say you should fasten the dog up. You is the word Ron used, not sure who the 'you' applies to? The question here is how does Penny know there is a loose dog? Has she also been at the scene and walked away too, leaving Willow loose? Because if she's already been there before Ron, is 9.33 the time she encountered the scene?

The Sky reporter then says to Ron, of course Penny had initially spotted Willow and the phone which Ron confirms. No mention that Penny tied Willow up and in fact Ron has already just said Penny rang his wife to say 'you' should fasten the dog up. Ron says 'cos of the wallpaper on the phone 'we' found out who the couple were. So the phone had been handled by him and someone else to have discovered that, and it is unknown who 'we' are?

Penny's appointment that she had to rush off to isn't mentioned. But all the while Ron hanging around there are phone calls flying back and forth between Ron's wife and Ron, Ron's wife and Penny. With 16 Threads behind us, can anyone confirm whether or not the subject of Penny and Ron's wife being sisters been raised?

EDITED BY ME TO MAKE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS

BBM. Interesting points you raise here. Also interested in the timings you mention etc. JMO MOO

 

[Firstsnow4]

IMO there is a lot of makeup on the missing person in published photos of her.

Now I don't know why someone would worry about this sort of thing when out walking the dog but it takes all sorts.

Maybe the intention was to join the teams meeting via camera.

I (mostly) don’t leave the house without makeup on so I don’t think that would be relevant. And also if I know I have a teams meeting, I will always smarten myself up just in case I need to put the camera on. But that’s just me. I wouldn’t reapply makeup at all once I’m out especially if I was out walking. I don’t carry it around with me.

 

[Penny68]

Regarding NB's mobile phone.. It's a good thing no one at the time passing the bench decided to just take it away with them. Then to eventually learn it belonged to a missing person who was now fully in the news. Surely they would have to contact the police to say they had it as embarrassing at that would be, but a need for sure.

 

[Purplepixii]

Time for another aerial look-see?

 

[Marie Bell]

Re-posting mainly as I'm interested to hear whether anyone else here on WS is hearing/suspects a degree of 'subtext' in this defence of Nicola:

"Mum-of-three Nadia - whose daughter is best friends with Ms Bulley's youngest girl - said: "The rumours are starting that Nikki is an unfit mum… I will not hear it. Nikki is the most amazing mum ever. Those girls are her world."

She added: "Many’s the time my daughter has spent time with Nikki without me and I’ve trusted her without question, why wouldn’t I?"

In the forthright Facebook post, Nadia continues: "I’ve never seen any red flags. Nikki is a normal mum. We all have ups and downs and being a mum is hard."

Nicola Bulley's friend slams trolls claiming missing mum is 'unfit' parent

The friend said that the cops' decision to publicise Nicola's struggles with the menopause and alcohol had fuelled nasty rumours

www.birminghammail.co.uk

It's probably just me but I tend to dismiss any phrases such as 'the most amazing mum ever' as being typical of facebook (which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole!).

 

[Mr X]

The basic thing I can't see with an abduction is why the phone was not simply thrown in the water.

Possible reason would be if it was dropped IF the missing person was jumped on from behind the shed and it was too awkward to go back and get it.

IMO "the phone moved towards the bench area" Is very intriguing language. Almost like police know something happened like it being dropped but can't quite get enough data to show details.

 

[Rusty Braincells]

I wonder what "significant issues with alcohol" actually means.



Is she dependent on alcohol ? Is alcohol always in her system?

Is the issue down to single episodes of excessive drinking?

Was she being treated at the time or in the past for alcohol addiction?

I'm not going anywhere with this I just wonder what a significant issue with alcohol would mean.

The only thing I can get from it is actual alcohol dependency. It can be quite dangerous to come off alcohol cold Turkey, you can suffer from delusions and all sorts of things. Maybe the Jan 10th episode was a wake up call for Nicola and she was trying to manage her withdrawal. I don't know. IMO MOO

I am personally interested to know what is meant given my own drinking problem. Forgive the use of the post as a jumping-off point here!

The impression of an alcoholic or someone with a drinking problem has mostly moved on from the homeless person on a park bench with a bottle of vodka in a paper bag, but the idea persists that it is a person who can’t go a day without a drink. In fact, there are lots of contradictions about alcohol abuse. A good example is many people with drunk driving convictions are not remotely alcoholics, and a lot of alcoholics have no such issues, indeed many will steer clear of driving, being aware they have a problem. Similarly, many people drink a glass of wine every night with no issue, whilst a lot of people with actual drinking problems are severe binge drinkers, meaning they don’t drink every day or even most days but alcohol still adversely affects their lives. When they drink, they then will get drunk, and very drunk, and perhaps not on a night out but on a random day, and chaos can ensue. As they are not drinking every day, they are not physically dependent and there is no risk of withdrawal, you won’t see them trembling in the mornings nor will they be sick if they stop for a few days or weeks. They may also hold down jobs and keep custody of their children (especially with a partner’s support) because 90% of the time they can be relied upon. However, a minority of the time, sometimes they may get so drunk they cannot be relied upon when they should be, or they will do things they don’t intend like sex with the wrong person or get arrested, or put themselves into very dangerous situations. We don’t know what kind of drinking problem NB may have had as there isn’t just one type, and a lot of people’s impressions of alcohol issues are based on fictional depictions or very worst cases they have known IRL or heard about. You can ruin your life with alcohol slowly and subtly.

Also just MOO and in part based on personal experience.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Time for another aerial look-see?

Looks like it is over turnover hall caravan park and just circling around in a similar area just south.

Turnover Hall Farm Caravan Site

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[Marie Bell]

@Mr X. Do you need to amend your post #481? I know you seem to have a theory about someone on a shed roof, but now you've stated it as though it's a fact.
As to why the police can only specify that the phone went to the bench; that's simply because nobody witnessed the person carrying it at that point.