Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

[Mollie123]

They know.

With all due respect how do you know they know. Please provide a link with the info

 

[Lindengracht]

The question whether NB fell in or went in remains unanswered for the moment.

If the text messages she sent to her boss and a friend between 8:50 and 9:00 were no distraction attempts, it may well have been an accident. However, I wonder if everything in her job went as well as it is presented. Could worries about her prospects (and therefore the financial situation of her family) have added to her anxiety? Why did her boss drive all the way from Keighley to meet her in Garstang (not in Inskip, some 2 miles closer), when nowadays we can talk business from our homes? She asked her parents to leave a little later because she had an important Zoom meeting with a client. Was this really a routine meeting? To sum up, could her job have played a role?
I know these are private matters, but sometimes an armchair sleuth can't help himself...

 

[ayrshireguy]

Peter Faulding, who describes himself as a 'world leading confined space rescue and forensic search specialist'. The diving expert who said that if Nicola Bulley was in the river, he would have found her, has insisted that he didn't rule out a body being found in the reeds.

Expert said Nicola was not in river but didn't rule out reeds

Peter Faulding, who assisted in the search for the missing mother-of-two, has insisted that he didn't rule out a body being found in the reeds, despite claiming he would find her if she was in the river.

www.dailymail.co.uk

PF said that he would not be able to see what was in the reeds and that divers would be sent in to search those areas.

Of course, NB might not have been in those reeds for long and PF missed her on his sonar for whatever reason.

 

[Passiton]

Hi all - quick suicide/SH content warning for those who’d rather avoid reading about such things right now. It’s also taken me a while to write out due to its contents and I’ve been travelling so I’m not sure where in the thread and the developing story this will land - where I last read, a body had been found but not identified. I’m also only sharing based on my experience and not putting forward any theories - please don’t take any of the below as what I think may have happened to NB.

My mother was found on a beach after taking her own life. The only similarities between my mum and (potentially) Nicola here are the proximity to water - we were not in contact before she died and so we do not know if she’d been missing for any period of time before being found, and I do not know how long she’d been dead before she was found (though I’m sure those details could be found in the police report, I was a teenager at the time and never looked for them).

Anyway, what I do remember is that it was my uncle who formally identified her. From what I remember (though again, it was over 10 years ago now and I was a teen), the police told us that having the family identify her would be quickest, but it was our choice and they could do it by other means. I seem to remember the feeling being it was better to get it over with so we could put her to rest.

There was a coroner’s inquest into her death which I remember attending court for (might be called something different) and what I took away from that was they were very hesitant to say it was suicide until it was absolutely clear cut. In my mother’s case, she had left a note of sorts, and all the circumstances pieced together are enough to leave me assured that suicide was the most likely cause, but because the note did not explicitly state ‘I am going to cause harm to myself via X means with every intention of ending my life” and match up with how she was found, the coroner was unwilling to state ‘suicide’ with any degree of certainty and so the he caused was recorded as ‘unknown’.

I think this is quite common with bodies found in my mother’s circumstances (unusual but not necessarily suspicious). Officers and family members might have their own feelings and suspicions about the cause of death based on the evidence, circumstances or what they knew of the deceased (suicide/accident/third party) but the official record really does have to be based on what can be proven. As it should be really, given the weight these things carry for the families (my grandmother never accepted my mum’s death as suicide, for me it’s been necessary in gaining closure and acceptance).

As has been expressed by many here already, my thoughts are with Nicola’s family, especially those two little girls right now. Whatever the circumstances, this is heartbreaking.

 

[FromGermany1]

From the first press release, all available in the media thread, Lancs Police said no apparent suspicious circumstances, all avenues of investigation remain open, we believe at this time she has entered the water. This remained the case with every LE update. So they never ‘stated’ as in open and shut but they did say based on available information and evidence NB has entered the water.

In the middle of a business conference per cell phone? Who does that? And who releases his dog from the leash beforehand? - I find this suspicious. MOO of course.

 

[Agatha3]

True. Police just state the facts. I think they do use those facts in order to generate 'possible scenarios', which lead them to search for evidence that might confirm or discount that possible scenario. But they're trained to do this.

Many in the public seem to be unable to recognize this. And certainly, the media discourages it.

If you want media/public attention, you must do the opposite: declare your theory and generate the facts to back it up. (And ignore anything that does not).

JMO

The difference here is that I have never heard police give out such detailed info.

 

[GeorgeFormby]

I think its too early to give PF a virtual kicking, we still don't know the details and it may be weeks before we do. As mentioned by Marie Bell a few posts back, to say "Eliminate this river" is about as unscientific as it gets. I've never met an expert who says things like that. With that said, we still don't know the details, whilst the LP theory may well be correct, we don't know yet.

 

[dunkley]

I have been directly involved in many MFH in my previous life. Fortunately it was well before the poisonous canker of SM set in, which appears in many cases to have totally removed any boundaries of acceptability and decency for far too many people.
Back then, when someone was described as 'vulnerable', that was enough. No one, including the press, pushed and pushed for the exact details of the missing person's particular vulnerability. Because people are vulnerable for many different reasons. What is important is that the vulnerability is recognised, and concerted efforts are made to find them. The minutiae of those vulnerabilities are utterly irrelevant.

 

[tedtink]

Now the thread has to be updated, I think.

Not until it's been officially confirmed. If/when confirmed the thread will be updated to 'found deceased'.

Lancashire Police
@LancsPolice
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Procedures to identify the body are on-going. We are currently treating the death as unexplained. Nicola’s family have been informed of developments and our thoughts are with them at this most difficult of times. We ask that their privacy is respected.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I highly doubt a loving, caring and nice woman such as NB would have made that decision and taken the dog. It’s more often the case in those situations that strenuous efforts are made to ensure no harm comes to others. Often with a letter trying to give an explanation and apology.
jmo.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So it looks as though the initial (most straightforward) police hypothesis was right. Unless toxicology reveals anything untoward it is most likely Nicola was the victim of tragic accident.

Now the body recovery phase is over, there will be further intense scrutiny and a witch-hunt for the guilty parties within LE.

I cannot imagine they would have released Nicola's personal details without the permission of the family. The FLOs have been embedded within the family since day 1 and one of their roles is to manage the release if information such as this. It will be interesting to see whether LE have managed to retain the confidence of the family. They have not publicly criticised them yet. Whether this will change remains to be seen.

How do you know this please? I've noticed here on this forum and many other sites people make much mention of 'FLOs' and what they do or don't do -but- as far as I can recall there's been no mention in the mainstream media or any of the police statements?

Where do people get these ideas and information about all things FLO? I'm honestly starting to wonder if it's something off the TV / movies?

Is it the case that police officers effectively go and live with a family once there's been some type of tragedy? Or what they stay in a hotel nearby and hang out with them all day? I just find that too hard to believe and it's not my experience and observation of how the UK police operate.

 

[veqzer]

The question whether NB fell in or went in remains unanswered for the moment.

If the text messages she sent to her boss and a friend between 8:50 and 9:00 were no distraction attempts, it may well have been an accident. However, I wonder if everything in her job went as well as it is presented. Could worries about her prospects (and therefore the financial situation of her family) have added to her anxiety? Why did her boss drive all the way from Keighley to meet her in Garstang (not in Inskip, some 2 miles closer), when nowadays we can talk business from our homes? She asked her parents to leave a little later because she had an important Zoom meeting with a client. Was this really a routine meeting? To sum up, could her job have played a role?
I know these are private matters, but sometimes an armchair sleuth can't help himself...

This IMO is an incredibly interesting point. What I saw someone raise were the implications of Jan 10 as per her line of work requiring quite thorough and (semi frequent?) DBS-esque checks. It has been posited that Jan 10 incident still being under investigation and potential criminal record or reprimand that MAY have resulted directly to the continuation of her work. Could this be why her boss had driven to talk to her? I'm not sure, but it is perhaps worth consideration.

 

[concerneduk]

wow

Police should and still can seal off crime scene of body find. It is as such until postmortem proves otherwise. Shocking this has not been done as contaminates evidence pathway

 

[Cedars]

The difference here is that I have never heard police give out such detailed info.

Yes, I agree. I think the true crime craze is now interfering with policing in an unprecedented way. (I'm quite aware I'm part of it.)

JMO

 

[vchk]

How do you know this please? I've noticed here on this forum and many other sites people make much mention of 'FLOs' and what they do or don't do -but- as far as I can recall there's been no mention in the mainstream media or any of the police statements?

Where do people get these ideas and information about all things FLO? I'm honestly starting to wonder if it's something off the TV / movies?

Is it the case that police officers effectively go and live with a family once there's been some type of tragedy? Or what they stay in a hotel nearby and hang out with them all day? I just find that too hard to believe and it's not my experience and observation of how the UK police operate.

there was a family liaison office constantly in touch with NB's family - it was mentioned either by PA or LE themselves - can't remember who

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Thinking about PA, why do you think he was so convinced that she wasn't in the river? Maybe bought into what PF said too much?

The intense scrutiny and manpower that was deployed in/above/around the river from day one, together with zero evidence that she'd even gone near the water in the first place let alone in it, I think there would have been a number of driving factors for PA that created a high element of doubt, especially as time progressed.

I do feel PF shouldn't be put on trial here. It's really not known what parts of the river he was assigned to search and whether she would have actually been in those parts at that particular time, which was 2 weeks ago now. And it's as yet unknown at what point or when she entered the river

 

[Ched]

PF said that he would not be able to see what was in the reeds and that divers would be sent in to search those areas.

Of course, NB might not have been in those reeds for long and PF missed her on his sonar for whatever reason.

Can you link where he said “he would not be able to see what’s in the reeds” as I must have missed that ….

 

[ayrshireguy]

Can you link where he said “he would not be able to see what’s in the reeds” as I must have missed that ….

Speaking on Good Morning Britain, Mr Faulding said: "Bodies can get lodged in reeds and show up months later, the sonar won't go into the reeds.

Seven things about Nicola Bulley disappearance that expert says don't add up

There are many unanswered questions about the mum's disappearance as specialist teams continue their search

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[Ched]

PF said that he would not be able to see what was in the reeds and that divers would be sent in to search those areas.

Of course, NB might not have been in those reeds for long and PF missed her on his sonar for whatever reason.

Can you link where he said “he would not be able to see what’s in the reeds” as I must have missed that ….

 

[SleuthRob]

Any idea if the body will be identified tonight? Or are we looking at a later date?