Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

[Rusty Braincells]

I'm in two-minds about whether her "demons" have been exaggerated by media.

But then the 10th January welfare -check by police makes me think maybe not.

Difficult one.

Whilst the press can sensationalise, it’s NB’s partner who has confirmed she had issues. As there is no suggestion he has done anything wrong, I believe him and think NB did have certain issues. I think he disclosed them being honest and trying to help — I think it’s straightforward enough in that when NB went missing the police asked, as a matter of course, what was going on in her life and PA told them the truth.

I think some of the backlash against the police releasing information about NB is telling about how society really doesn’t like to be confronted with “everyday” addiction and mental health issues. We want the extreme case of an addict or someone struggling so we can point at it and say, “there we go, definitely nothing like me.” But alcohol problems affect the capable and loving mum at the school gate as well as the rock star who’s in rehab again or the homeless guy sleeping outside Victoria Station. The press’s reaction about “ruined reputation” kind of sums up our media. Here was a chance to do some responsible and sympathetic pieces on how common alcohol problems are, instead we are acting like they’re rare or shocking and make someone a bad person.

We can add this to the media’s chosen narrative in this case which is that the police are wrong about everything, even though the police were right as to what happened. Today I’ve seen “the police didn’t find Nicola, some dog walkers did”, as a gotcha, even though it isn’t statistically uncommon for members of the public to find bodies even of people who have been looked for, for weeks. It’s got ridiculous. I’m no real fan of the police but they were right, Nicola was in the water.

 

[Rusty Braincells]

I don't know if it will ever be a sure thing that she went into the water by the bench. The phone being there and the dog running between the fence and bench doesn't convince me. It's possible, but also possible she entered or fell in somewhere else. This tragedy still doesn't make sense IMO.

Unfortunately, to me this death makes perfect sense. Sometimes the simplest solution isn’t correct so we have to keep an open mind, but the simplest solution was right here. A person who goes missing without trace by a body of water will very likely turn up in that body of water, but frequently, not immediately.

NB might have gone in the water by the bench or may have wandered a mile or so, but she went in the water. There is no evidence anyone else put her there so either an accident or suicide. To me, the most telling factor towards suicide isn’t NB’s personal issues — many people have them — but the fact that her partner commented everything was done and organised that day in an unusual way. Putting things in order in that way can be a sign someone has made up their mind. But I don’t think suicide will be possible to prove unless there is information the public don’t have.

This case makes people uncomfortable precisely because it’s so ordinary and no-one else was involved IMO. There is no evil outside agent.

 

[Seattle1]

I guess we will never know if it was suicide or a tragic accident.

I disagree. There will be an autopsy and toxicology results that may shed light on the mystery. For example, if tests reveal NB was drinking that morning, I think this could easily explain a loss of balance and accidental fall in the water.

Personally, I think NB was interrupted during her call when perhaps Willow got into something or was in trouble with another dog and NB got up abruptly and ran to Willow's aid -- leaving her phone and the leash behind. For whatever reason, NB did not make it back to the bench. Also by accident.

I don't know anything about NB to speculate about self-harm. As a mother, I think it would take some very serious issues to leave her children. MOO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

One thing I am learning as I follow more cases is that many times things don’t make sense. And we have to be OK with that. So frustrating. There have been several cases or announcements this week that my mind cannot compute. I think probably because it never makes sense to lose someone. Moo

And mainly it’s the compelling urge to think in simple terms. Yet, complexities run rampant in this case - as do possibilities. There is no such thing as a coincidence.

I believe the dots MUST connect, or the facts are not as accurate as perceived. The dots do not connect. There is definitely something more to this tragedy. I hope they figure it all out.

 

[StillDiggin]

Nicola Bulley: Family will 'never understand final moments'

The mother-of-two's body was discovered about a mile away from where she was last seen.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

And…it’s notable that the police have brought in and drafted the assistance of a homicide specialist who worked on the case of murdered community police officer Julia James, to HELP solve Nicolas disappearance (and now unexplained death).

PCSO killer tells police ‘yous are f****** dead’ during arrest

Callum Wheeler, 22, asked police ‘has my mum said something...well someone must have told you’ after they turned up at his home in Kent

www.independent.co.uk

Just a random homicide of female walking her dog as part of her normal routine, and following a worn path. The killer had seen her before, and planned the deadly attack accordingly. Lots of parallels to pursue.

I can understand how this skilled specialist can assist and support the LE authority (& be very useful to the local authorities investigating the disappearance and death of NB).

Now, why would they ever do something like that? Hmmm….

JMOO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Unfortunately, to me this death makes perfect sense. Sometimes the simplest solution isn’t correct so we have to keep an open mind, but the simplest solution was right here. A person who goes missing without trace by a body of water will very likely turn up in that body of water, but frequently, not immediately.

NB might have gone in the water by the bench or may have wandered a mile or so, but she went in the water. There is no evidence anyone else put her there so either an accident or suicide. To me, the most telling factor towards suicide isn’t NB’s personal issues — many people have them — but the fact that her partner commented everything was done and organised that day in an unusual way. Putting things in order in that way can be a sign someone has made up their mind. But I don’t think suicide will be possible to prove unless there is information the public don’t have.

This case makes people uncomfortable precisely because it’s so ordinary and no-one else was involved IMO. There is no evil outside agent.

It could be as simple as someone encountering her, surprising her whilst distracted with her dog, her team call, etc.

People have also been known to enter the water voluntarily to avoid imminent threat or danger. To escape an apex predator, wild or domesticated.

Anything is possible. Color outside the lines, with possibilities. Every single possibility should be formally investigated before being eliminated. Time will tell.

 

[StillDiggin]

Diving expert says Nicola Bulley found on 'perfect deposition site'

The boss of a private search team who searched the river bed said he wouldn't want to speculate as to whether the body was deposited at the site.

www.express.co.uk

 

[sunshineray]

And mainly it’s the compelling urge to think in simple terms. Yet, complexities run rampant in this case - as do possibilities. There is no such thing as a coincidence.

I believe the dots MUST connect, or the facts are not as accurate as perceived. The dots do not connect. There is definitely something more to this tragedy. I hope they figure it all out.

We don't have all the dots yet to connect. Hopefully the autospy and tests will provide answers for her family and friends <3

 

[Rusty Braincells]

It could be as simple as someone encountering her, surprising her whilst distracted with her dog, her team call, etc.

People have also been known to enter the water voluntarily to avoid imminent threat or danger. To escape an apex predator, wild or domesticated.

Anything is possible. Color outside the lines, with possibilities. Every single possibility should be formally investigated before being eliminated. Time will tell.

Of course anything is possible and NB could have gone into the water for a mysterious reason but there is no evidence of that and I can’t see how we would now obtain any, unless there is something unusual on the body or in the water that gives some clues. Clearly, no witnesses have come forward to say they saw anything strange.

We can investigate a straightforward likely accidental drowning indefinitely in case something untoward or criminal happened, but there is just nothing to go on here to support that, so I just don’t see what else could be investigated bar ensuring the medical examination of NB’s body checks out.

 

[sunshineray]

Diving expert says Nicola Bulley found on 'perfect deposition site'

The boss of a private search team who searched the river bed said he wouldn't want to speculate as to whether the body was deposited at the site.

www.express.co.uk

He "doesn't want to speculate"...and then he speculates.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

We don't have all the dots yet to connect. Hopefully the autospy and tests will provide answers for her family and friends <3

Absolutely. TOX and other reports will bring everything onto the light.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Of course anything is possible and NB could have gone into the water for a mysterious reason but there is no evidence of that and I can’t see how we would now obtain any, unless there is something unusual on the body or in the water that gives some clues. Clearly, no witnesses have come forward to say they saw anything strange.

We can investigate a straightforward likely accidental drowning indefinitely in case something untoward or criminal happened, but there is just nothing to go on here to support that, so I just don’t see what else could be investigated bar ensuring the medical examination of NB’s body checks out.

There won’t “always” be evidence, or witnesses.

The coroners report will be critical to the case (and causation of death).

 

[Rusty Braincells]

He "doesn't want to speculate"...and then he speculates.

This guy really needs to shut up now. Now he’s an expert on where a body could be deposited. The press should not be giving this kind of thing attention. They jump on the police for not being totally right and then print or air stuff like this.

 

[Goldilox]

The teams call may have been one or 2 people. Doesn’t have to be a group. Maybe the call had news she didn’t like so just thought F this and left the phone there and jumped in.
Not a pleasant way to go (if there is one). I think if she had pre planned it there would’ve been some alcohol bottle or something left behind. Maybe even a note to her girls.

Something snapped. Left the phone there ..?

Regarding the welfare check. This may have been neighbours hearing a disagreement and called police. That is very common. And comes under DV potentially or just a welfare check. Or it does here in Nz

IMO

 

[Rusty Braincells]

The teams call may have been one or 2 people. Doesn’t have to be a group. Maybe the call had news she didn’t like so just thought F this and left the phone there and jumped in.
Not a pleasant way to go (if there is one). I think if she had pre planned it there would’ve been some alcohol bottle or something left behind. Maybe even a note to her girls.

Something snapped. Left the phone there ..?

Regarding the welfare check. This may have been neighbours hearing a disagreement and called police. That is very common. And comes under DV potentially or just a welfare check. Or it does here in Nz

IMO

I feel like we would know if the Teams call had bad news. Apparently it was a standard informational call and NB didn’t have to contribute to it. I am sure the police have the details of it.

Re alcohol bottles, if someone has a drinking problem they sometimes will put alcohol in a water or soft drinks bottle so that it’s not so easy to observe them drinking in public. Only a minority of suicides leave a note. No suggestion that the welfare check was domestic violence-related and I think police enquiries would have gone another direction if it was.

One thing that occurred to me was maybe the Garstang meeting was a supportive one, the boss was aware of Nicola’s issues and wanted to help. No job loss or suspension coming but the fact of the boss knowing might have been too much. That’s just speculation of course on my part.

 

[GeorgeFormby]

The teams call may have been one or 2 people. Doesn’t have to be a group. Maybe the call had news she didn’t like so just thought F this and left the phone there and jumped in.
Not a pleasant way to go (if there is one). I think if she had pre planned it there would’ve been some alcohol bottle or something left behind. Maybe even a note to her girls.

Something snapped. Left the phone there ..?

Regarding the welfare check. This may have been neighbours hearing a disagreement and called police. That is very common. And comes under DV potentially or just a welfare check. Or it does here in Nz

IMO

I think this was covered in one of the police press conferences. The call was a run of the mill type thing, likely a regulatory type thing, or just generic company update, it was framed as that (rather than a bad news/lay off/performance review type of call).

 

[Rusty Braincells]

And…it’s notable that the police have brought in and drafted the assistance of a homicide specialist who worked on the case of murdered community police officer Julia James, to HELP solve Nicolas disappearance (and now unexplained death).

PCSO killer tells police ‘yous are f****** dead’ during arrest

Callum Wheeler, 22, asked police ‘has my mum said something...well someone must have told you’ after they turned up at his home in Kent

www.independent.co.uk

Just a random homicide of female walking her dog as part of her normal routine, and following a worn path. The killer had seen her before, and planned the deadly attack accordingly. Lots of parallels to pursue.

I can understand how this skilled specialist can assist and support the LE authority (& be very useful to the local authorities investigating the disappearance and death of NB).

Now, why would they ever do something like that? Hmmm….

JMOO

Which homicide specialist do you mean and where is that confirmed? It’s not in your link which is about the previous case.

 

[Agatha3]

no

Whilst the press can sensationalise, it’s NB’s partner who has confirmed she had issues. As there is no suggestion he has done anything wrong, I believe him and think NB did have certain issues. I think he disclosed them being honest and trying to help — I think it’s straightforward enough in that when NB went missing the police asked, as a matter of course, what was going on in her life and PA told them the truth.

I think some of the backlash against the police releasing information about NB is telling about how society really doesn’t like to be confronted with “everyday” addiction and mental health issues. We want the extreme case of an addict or someone struggling so we can point at it and say, “there we go, definitely nothing like me.” But alcohol problems affect the capable and loving mum at the school gate as well as the rock star who’s in rehab again or the homeless guy sleeping outside Victoria Station. The press’s reaction about “ruined reputation” kind of sums up our media. Here was a chance to do some responsible and sympathetic pieces on how common alcohol problems are, instead we are acting like they’re rare or shocking and make someone a bad person.

We can add this to the media’s chosen narrative in this case which is that the police are wrong about everything, even though the police were right as to what happened. Today I’ve seen “the police didn’t find Nicola, some dog walkers did”, as a gotcha, even though it isn’t statistically uncommon for members of the public to find bodies even of people who have been looked for, for weeks. It’s got ridiculous. I’m no real fan of the police but they were right, Nicola was in the water.

Yes to that. Just for info, several papers have done menopause, peri menopause features since it was disclosed, with case histories.

 

[tedtink]

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley

Police confirm identity of body found in the River Wyre on Sunday, 23 days after the mother of two went missing

www.telegraph.co.uk