Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

[3point5]

Not too sure why there’s so much negativity around PF at all, the family have asked him, it can only help, he does this for the police all the time , he’s doing it for free. More resources can only be a good thing.

Who cares if he has the biggest ego ever , or has written a book, it’s about getting answers . If he hadn’t gone he’d have been criticised, he’s now gone and he’s being criticised. I don’t think it’s what’s important at all. Who cares if he likes media attention? It’s helping scour the river, which is important, finding what happened to Nicola. We don’t know what he now knows from the police , in terms of his opinions changing. I’m just surprised how much of thread is now analysing someone trying to help. For free.

I think the issues are.

1) did the family ask him because of his skill, or because of his claims made on TV interviews (which now seem to have fallen flat).

2) is it about getting answers? Or is it about increasing his profile?

3) he's doing it for free, but most SAR teams work for free. It's a weird thing for him to keep mentioning, when the other SAR teams enlisted so far were also doing the same and not shouting about it.


Hopefully he's the best thing since sliced bread and manages to being closure to her family. If this is all a pr exercise to increase his profile, then I worry he'll find the public can either be your biggest fans or your greatest enemies.

All JMO.

 

[suzyjackson]

If this turns out to be foul play the whole area is contaminated. I have no words. Honestly.

I'd it turns out to be foul play we are looking at a very sophisticated perp or the luckiest fool to have done something without leaving any discernable trace after 11 days, I'm not sure what evidence there would be in an outdoor location

 

[Nancy Drew 21]

Does he really? He's putting words in LE's mouth. The wrong words

Superintendent Sally Riley from Lancashire Constabulary said police were “keeping a really open mind about what could have happened”

Link:
statement from LE yesterday Everything we know about the disappearance of Nicola Bulley

( Martyn Underhill is in an elected post)
contrary to what Underhill says LE have never said ' this IS a tragic accident'

JMO of course, but I assume that he may have been basing his remarks on the press conference of last Friday.

"Our main working hypothesis, therefore, is that Nicola has sadly fallen into the river. That there is no third party or criminal involvement and that this is not suspicious, but a tragic case of a missing person. This is particularly important because speculation, otherwise, can be really distressing for the family, and for Nicola's children." (From the transcript of the press conference posted on the 1st page of this thread).

 

[wackyw]

JMO

We on the outside do not know who these witnesses are. We do not know if NB fell in the river, we equally do not know if NB came to harm or foul play. IF, NB is not in the river, and it is ascertained that foul play is at play here, at what point will these 'witnesses' be more closely scrutinised and questioned?

Just because a witness, or anyone for that matter, says something, does not necessarily mean that it is true. Just because you live in the same area as someone, does not mean that you have to like them, or that you even like them at all.

This does not have to be overly complex at all. All it would take is the involvement of someone unhinged, maybe jealous of NB career, good looks or family, who was familiar with NB routine, (to be fair, look how much information us complete strangers have managed to find out with regards to her routine), for someone to be familiar with the local area, entry, exit points, any CCTV that does or does not work. If multiple people involved, then making NB 'disappear' becomes considerably easier. Especially if any perspective harm doers, just so happen to be any of the witnesses.

One thing is certain. What happened to NB, the answer or answers to that question remain firmly in the area. The answer to that question has never left the area. Either it being the river, or a 3rd party.

Not even necessarily as complex than you suggest maybe? Willow had a bit of a go at another dog? Willow did some business and NB doesn't pick it up? An argument, and a push that had unforeseen consequences?

 

[Undecided]

I think the issues are.

1) did the family ask him because of his skill, or because of his claims made on TV interviews (which now seem to have fallen flat).

2) is it about getting answers? Or is it about increasing his profile?

3) he's doing it for free, but most SAR teams work for free. It's a weird thing for him to keep mentioning, when the other SAR teams enlisted so far were also doing the same and not shouting about it.


Hopefully he's the best thing since sliced bread and manages to being closure to her family. If this is all a pr exercise to increase his profile, then I worry he'll find the public can either be your biggest fans or your greatest enemies.

All JMO.

Point is even if it improves his profile , why do we care? I honestly don’t get it, the extra resources will help. Honestly, he’s doing more than me ! If I had a expert company in this I’d like to think I’d help too, but I don’t , so I’m just on this forum wondering what on earth has happened to her. I hope he can help find out. It can’t hurt to cover the river quicker.

 

[kittythehare]

Nicola Bulley: Partner 'distraught' as divers join search

Nicola Bulley has not been seen since walking next to a river in Lancashire 10 days ago.

www.bbc.com

 

[annpats]

Agreed but we don't know if this is one of those cases do we?

genuinely, I have not noticed anything that's made me concerned about this one and I'm usually the first to say even when it's deemed taboo.

Yes, I don't know what to think about the police's actions on this one. They did seem a bit slow to act, particularly in the first 3 days, and have also been unclear with some of their statements regarding whether the phone was left on the ground or on the bench, and a few other details. Also, saying they "think" she went into the water came across as a bit amateur.

 

[cottonweaver]

JMO of course, but I assume that he may have been basing his remarks on the press conference of last Friday.

"Our main working hypothesis, therefore, is that Nicola has sadly fallen into the river. That there is no third party or criminal involvement and that this is not suspicious, but a tragic case of a missing person. This is particularly important because speculation, otherwise, can be really distressing for the family, and for Nicola's children." (From the transcript of the press conference posted on the 1st page of this thread).

agreed
it's all a working hypothesis

Not sure why a former elected public servant ( commissioner) is having difficulty with the definition of working hypothesis but is now popping up on a TV ' news' channel to say that LancsPolice are 'clearly upsetting the family who are now speaking out against them '

golden hour = 24 hours?? He's almost incoherent, total click-baitery imo
and then to top it off, host goes onto complain about SMedia conjecture and then claims that LE ' dismissed' 3rd party involvement ' so early on'

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[WhoIsThatGuy]

I'd it turns out to be foul play we are looking at a very sophisticated perp or the luckiest fool to have done something without leaving any discernable trace after 11 days, I'm not sure what evidence there would be in an outdoor location

IMO

The amount of publicly available information regarding NB, her walk routines etc combined with the 'local knowledge' a 'local' would have dampens the sophistication level required but generally agree with you.

 

[Loobyloo]

I don't think this has been posted before (can't find it on a search):

'Humber search and rescue expert ['Paul Berrif OBE, founder/trustee at Humber Rescue'] believes missing mum Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river'

One particularly interesting point he makes:

'He highlighted that not long after Nicola was reported as missing, a helicopter was searching the river from the air and this is the “ideal platform” for locating people in the water. Also, the police helicopter should have had thermal imaging on board and this “excellent equipment” would identify a person even if they have been underwater for hours after being reported missing, according to Mr Berriff.'

Humber rescue expert believes Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river

 

[Beckxsy]

Not too sure why there’s so much negativity around PF at all, the family have asked him, it can only help, he does this for the police all the time , he’s doing it for free. More resources can only be a good thing.

Who cares if he has the biggest ego ever , or has written a book, it’s about getting answers . If he hadn’t gone he’d have been criticised, he’s now gone and he’s being criticised. I don’t think it’s what’s important at all. Who cares if he likes media attention? It’s helping scour the river, which is important, finding what happened to Nicola. We don’t know what he now knows from the police , in terms of his opinions changing. I’m just surprised how much of thread is now analysing someone trying to help. For free.

If this was about helping the family then contact them privately to offer your services.
The family didn't not ask this guy for his help until he publicly spoke on national television how he believed she wasn't in the river. He speculated on a number of things and also how the police refused his services to help free of charge. What was the likelihood of that statement gonna achieve ? Outrage and even more doubt on the police and what they have been doing thus far. Not a proffesional approach in my eyes and low behold he has a book out. Coincidence doesn't matter really even with their being no book launch still not a proffesional way

 

[Fishwick]

I don't think this has been posted before (can't find it on a search):

'Humber search and rescue expert ['Paul Berrif OBE, founder/trustee at Humber Rescue'] believes missing mum Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river'

One particularly interesting point he makes:

'He highlighted that not long after Nicola was reported as missing, a helicopter was searching the river from the air and this is the “ideal platform” for locating people in the water. Also, the police helicopter should have had thermal imaging on board and this “excellent equipment” would identify a person even if they have been underwater for hours after being reported missing, according to Mr Berriff.'

Humber rescue expert believes Nicola Bulley didn't fall in river

If only it were that easy! Many people aren't found for weeks or months, even with helicopters looking. I'm sure if it was as foolproof as he claimed the police would be changing their hypothesis. Just to state the obvious...

 

[Lilbitcurious]

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IMO I don’t think they are finished for the day

 

[Undecided]

If this was about helping the family then contact them privately to offer your services.
The family didn't not ask this guy for his help until he publicly spoke on national television how he believed she wasn't in the river. He speculated on a number of things and also how the police refused his services to help free of charge. What was the likelihood of that statement gonna achieve ? Outrage and even more doubt on the police and what they have been doing thus far. Not a proffesional approach in my eyes and low behold he has a book out. Coincidence doesn't matter really even with their being no book launch still not a proffesional way

The bottom line for me is he’s currently out there searching the river. Let’s hope it helps in some way.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

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IMO maybe going back to get diving equipment?

 

[flysleuthD]

Hi, first time poster here. I strongly feel Nicola is in the river. Not the riverbed but far out to the sides of the riverbank. The river weir is a complex waterway with flood defences in place, upstream basins, the weir, the tidal pressures, different depths. The sides of the riverbank are dense ecological systems, sediments, rotten wood, years of riparian root systems, affected by flood water. Not to mention other riverbed waste all entwined up that riverbank could easily conceal a body for some time. Hopefully this new the art side sonas equipment will get right into that density. I've no idea how she ended up in the river but I myself have had a couple of close calls on dog walks with water so know its easier than people realise to end up in water and get into trouble very quickly. I do hope they find Nicola soon

 

[JennieM]

IMO I don’t think they are finished for the day

"We are going to be working our hardest. We'll probably be working under darkness tonight for a while and that's my intention to help the family."

Nicola Bulley: Partner 'distraught' as divers join search

Nicola Bulley has not been seen since walking next to a river in Lancashire 10 days ago.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Coco92]

Hi everyone. Joined WS during the awful Sarah Everard case and have been lurking on this one too.
Just seen PF now stating “I do believe she is in the river from the evidence we have”. Interesting. Perhaps there is evidence that we know nothing about yet?
(Hate to quote DM but here’s the link to the press interview )
Who is the 'Human Mole' leading the hunt for missing Nicola Bulley?

 

[Dixie007]

Can’t believe this guy is being criticised the way he is. He offers for free, other chances of finding the body (or ruling out that it is there) plus a different approach to finding the body than has been used previously.

In addition, his input has further raised the profile of this case, at times when other news stories are pushing this one further down the order.

My own thought as per posting last Tuesday, is that NB is not in the river, or if she is then it was not an accident - just my opinions of course.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Hardang appears to be in Iran. Can you check to see if you mean Garstang ?

indeed !! But Hardang is in my head now ! Don’t know why