Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[rosieposie121]

Tying the dog up certainly prevented it from doing anything from that point forwards.

Absolutely... A whole hour almost... Catagorically preventing the dog from retracing NB steps in anyway shape or form

 

[FlyHigh209]

Its way longer a time window then the impression I got from the media in recent days.

Must be over 2 hours from the 9.10 last sighting to the police / Paul having a presence in the area if the school raised alert at 10.50.

 

[Casseus]

Are we missing a witness here at the 9:33 time ? I thought someone came across the scene, followed by a man who picked up the phone and put it on the bench, or similar.

What I want to know is, When the daughter arrived at the bench and found willow and the phone (which was picked up by a man who came through the gate after her) willow was free and must of untied herself (MOO) the dog has stayed put. She hasn’t run off she has stayed

<modsnip - quoted post was removed> Unless someone has for their own personal reason chosen not to come forward to say they walked past an alone tied up dog then yeah it’s very long time to have no one walk past the bench. IMO Britain has a mixture of busy bodies (the good kind who help out) and people who are a bit selfish and think “not my business, not my problem” and could justify walking past an alone dog without checking to see what was going on.

 

[wallaby]

But wasn't the dog found to be free again the second time it was found?

String wouldn’t hold my dog if he wanted to get free, Willow probably broke it.

 

[JumpingFrog]

But wasn't the dog found to be free again the second time it was found?

Maybe, or maybe not - depends on witness statements being accurate, reported accurately, or truthful imho speculation etc. However, if she was tied by her collar with string then no doubt she pulled and pulled and kicked up such a fuss that she freed herself, the poor poor little thing

 

[ayrshireguy]

Was this 'string' found?

 

[Tanzanite]

IMO after the CCTV of her before the school run was released, there were pages on this thread of people picking apart her outfit. Saying it didn’t match. That’s explained. The lead and harness, that’s explained. The woman who first found the dog who went home for the appointment is explained (Which is something I was stuck on personally as the information regarding her was blended into reports of dog walkers and it didn’t make sense) she also points out the large time gap between willow being found at 9:33 and the 10:50 call to Paul. I have thought about that non stop. That’s such a long time for the poor dog to be there alone! And no one else has come upon her. It seemed a busy area but she was left unattended for an hour until the daughter arrived and recognised the screen saver. To me that’s a really big gap of time where it was obvious no one was in that bench/gate area (unless they haven’t come forward to say they saw the dog alone and tied up) .

People weren't 'picking apart her outfit.' That implies something rather different to what was actually posted. Posters were commenting on the police description of what NB was wearing. It didn't match the images disclosed. The length of the gilet was a factor in several theories about the mechanics of an accident or NB's ability to get out of the water. The discrepancy in how NB looked that morning might also be a factor in appealing to witnesses.

I don't think that a dog tied to a bench would cause any great reaction in many people. Most passers-by would only clock it for a short time as they passed by. I might assume a parent distracted by/with a young child (needing the bathroom or something), or something along those lines. I wouldn't assume anything suspicious unless I was there for longer and no one returned.

The point of note is that no one apparently passed by in that window (or at least who have indentified by LE).

 

[cottonweaver]

I think the abandoned house and outbuildings NOT being searched is the big “!!!!!”news. Which contradicts police statements.

Although I can see why she thinks the lack of witnesses or appeals for witnesses between 9.33-10.50 is odd. I thought it was a busy walk. Implication that the 9.33 witness could be unreliable? Who knows.

who's saying that bit? I thought it had been done a week ago, so just went to check

example - 7 days ago

Police search ‘abandoned’ house near where missing mum’s phone found

Ms Bulley went missing last Friday morning, with her mobile phone found on a bench near to where she was last seen.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Fishwick]

I don't really understand why such authority is given to TAs posts. It seems unlikely to me that she knows the full extent of the police search, nor would I imagine she has cast iron accuracy on her statements. Not to disparage her but there's a reason why SM posts aren't allowed to be quoted as factual sources on this site.

 

[steelo]

I think the dog being agitated between the bench and the stile (assuming the stile is the kissing gate), when found, is fairly critical. The dog would want to follow its owner. Surely if NB had gone in the river then the dog would be closer to the riverbank, or even stationed at the river bank, possibly even barking. I know not all dogs bark that much but it just seems a bit odd which makes me think NB was taken across the stile. If she had earbuds/airpods in and was listening to her teams call then she wouldn't have been aware of someone approaching the bench from behind.

 

[grey345]

Supt Riley said officers have searched derelict riverside properties with the permission of owners.

She added: ‘Because there is no criminal element yet identified, and we don’t expect there to be in this inquiry, then we’re not starting to go into houses because that’s not where the inquiry is leading us.’

To me that’s directly contradictory. “We have searched riverside properties.” “Because we believe it’s not criminal, we’re not going into houses”. Huh???

If there are any nearby properties not searched, derelict/empty or otherwise, that’s not good enough IMO.

There’s at least a 10 minute window NB could have been drugged and taken to a building. Possibly a 70-minute window if NB was nearby but out of sight of the 9.33 witness (eg undergrowth/other end of field).

I don’t really get the polices actions with this.

Also what about Paul searching a derelict house on day 3? I wonder what made him do that? With that specific property? Could NB have been working with the owner to do with her mortgage advisor career? JMO.

If she’s not in the river - she is somewhere!

 

[ginnyw]

What I want to know is, When the daughter arrived at the bench and found willow and the phone (which was picked up by a man who came through the gate after her) willow was free and must of untied herself (MOO) the dog has stayed put. She hasn’t run off she has stayed

I’m stuck on your point 3&4 too. Unless someone has for their own personal reason chosen not to come forward to say they walked past an alone tied up dog then yeah it’s very long time to have no one walk past the bench. IMO Britain has a mixture of busy bodies (the good kind who help out) and people who are a bit selfish and think “not my business, not my problem” and could justify walking past an alone dog without checking to see what was going on.

If somebody in my family came home and mentioned that a familiar dog was distressed and alone down by the river, I'd be down there pronto, not because I'd suspect anything initially but just to see if the dog was OK. But then there are other people who wouldn't perhaps care as much about a dog.

 

[Firstsnow4]

What I want to know is, When the daughter arrived at the bench and found willow and the phone (which was picked up by a man who came through the gate after her) willow was free and must of untied herself (MOO) the dog has stayed put. She hasn’t run off she has stayed

I’m stuck on your point 3&4 too. Unless someone has for their own personal reason chosen not to come forward to say they walked past an alone tied up dog then yeah it’s very long time to have no one walk past the bench. IMO Britain has a mixture of busy bodies (the good kind who help out) and people who are a bit selfish and think “not my business, not my problem” and could justify walking past an alone dog without checking to see what was going on.

I’m glad you mentioned about the ‘man that came through the gate after her’ - I was sure I had read that somewhere but now can’t think where. I also thought that was at 9.33am so glad you have cleared that up for me too!

 

[Beginnersleuth]

tying a dog up would take a few min. Esp if have ur own dog there too. I hope she’d shouted and check around for the owner of the dog (NB).

 

[Fishwick]

I think the dog being agitated between the bench and the stile (assuming the stile is the kissing gate), when found, is fairly critical. The dog would want to follow its owner. Surely if NB had gone in the river then the dog would be closer to the riverbank, or even stationed at the river bank, possibly even barking. I know not all dogs bark that much but it just seems a bit odd which makes me think NB was taken across the stile. If she had earbuds/airpods in and was listening to her teams call then she wouldn't have been aware of someone approaching the bench from behind.

According to Riley (in linked video), the dog was found between the bench and the river.

Police hold press conference after dog walker goes missing | Police are “extremely concerned” for the safety of a dog walker who has been missing for three days. Nicola Bulley, 45, was last seen on the morning of... | By Lancs Live | Facebook

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[Firstsnow4]

String wouldn’t hold my dog if he wanted to get free, Willow probably broke it.

Why not just tie willow to the bench with the lead and harness that she also found?! IMO.

 

[supersleuth123]

I don't really understand why such authority is given to TAs posts. It seems unlikely to me that she knows the full extent of the police search, nor would I imagine she has cast iron accuracy on her statements. Not to disparage her but there's a reason why SM posts aren't allowed to be quoted as factual sources on this site.

Yeah, fair comment. Would be cool if everyone cared as much about accuracy as the WS community

 

[Casseus]

String wouldn’t hold my dog if he wanted to get free, Willow probably broke it.

Yeah same, I’ve watched my dog from inside a shop flop around dramatically and slip her harness in her desperation to get to me. There was a picture a while back of willow in her harness and it’s quite loose. Plus dogs will control themselves into spaghetti if they want some where. I never doubted her ability to free herself. Half way down this link you’ll see how loose her harness was.

Missing Nicola Bulley's dog 'entered fight or flight mode' at disappearance

Detectives investigating the 45-year-old Lancashire mum's disappearance are pursuing a theory she fell into a river while walking her dog.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Fishwick]

tying a dog up would take a few min. Esp if have ur own dog there too. I hope she’d shouted and check around for the owner of the dog (NB).

Tying up a dog takes about 10 seconds. Most dog walkers (and it was said to be dog walkers that found Willow) would easily tie a dog up using the lead and harness alone - why the need for string (if there was indeed string used)?

 

[ayrshireguy]

If somebody in my family came home and mentioned that a familiar dog was distressed and alone down by the river, I'd be down there pronto, not because I'd suspect anything initially but just to see if the dog was OK. But then there are other people who wouldn't perhaps care as much about a dog.

If I came across a dog and a mobile phone with nobody around I would wait and see if anyone appeared and if not at least phone 101 to report it. Nearby river or not.