Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

[mrjitty]

It won't

Right.

We went over this stuff numerous times. LE had her phone from the start. There is no relevant data from the last minutes because the phone was on the bench.

Whether anything could be recovered from the fitbit, we have not heard.

 

[dunkley]

An example .....

Mr X reported missing.
Full details taken from person reporting by the attending police officer. Including description, clothing, and details of any vulnerabilities.
Dependent on the whole 'picture', the Misper will be graded. High Risk, or lower.
Immediate local enquiries will be started. Friends, places frequented, sometime (depending on information) specific locations.

A body is found, in a river/lake/reservoir.
This could be hours, days, or weeks later.
Officers dispatched.
Body recovered. Death confirmed.
It is pretty much certain that this is Misper, but formal ID required.
NoK advised.
Unless there is obvious and immediate suspicion of foul play (taking into account the initial report information), the body will be removed to the local hospital mortuary. By the next on list funeral directors - quite often the CoOp.
Body is accompanied/met at the mortuary by police officer.
All clothing and possessions are taken, and labelled.
The body is labelled by the police officer and mortuary technician, and placed in safe storage.
Police officer starts the paperwork, and arranges liaison with NoK re formal ID and how this can be done.
Coroner's officer is notified.
PM completed the next day, or day after, by the hospital pathologist.
This is a routine PM.
There is no requirement for police, or CSI, attendance.
If this pathologist finds anything suspicious, they will stop the PM, confer with HO FP, and Coroner, and police, and procedures step up several levels.

 

[Simplistic67]

There has possibly been hundreds if not thousands of people that have visited the scene since the disappearance....Just wondering how many have accidently fell into the water ?
I know many scoff at the you tube sleuths, but some have come up with some really good thought out theories. The fact that the Police immediately jumped to one conclusion seriously puzzles me.

 

[Cuko]

An example .....

Mr X reported missing.
Full details taken from person reporting by the attending police officer. Including description, clothing, and details of any vulnerabilities.
Dependent on the whole 'picture', the Misper will be graded. High Risk, or lower.
Immediate local enquiries will be started. Friends, places frequented, sometime (depending on information) specific locations.

A body is found, in a river/lake/reservoir.
This could be hours, days, or weeks later.
Officers dispatched.
Body recovered. Death confirmed.
It is pretty much certain that this is Misper, but formal ID required.
NoK advised.
Unless there is obvious and immediate suspicion of foul play (taking into account the initial report information), the body will be removed to the local hospital mortuary. By the next on list funeral directors - quite often the CoOp.
Body is accompanied/met at the mortuary by police officer.
All clothing and possessions are taken, and labelled.
The body is labelled by the police officer and mortuary technician, and placed in safe storage.
Police officer starts the paperwork, and arranges liaison with NoK re formal ID and how this can be done.
Coroner's officer is notified.
PM completed the next day, or day after, by the hospital pathologist.
This is a routine PM.
There is no requirement for police, or CSI, attendance.
If this pathologist finds anything suspicious, they will stop the PM, confer with HO FP, and Coroner, and police, and procedures step up several levels.

@dunkley - I’m curious. Are you a professional in a field related to the content of your post? I note that you do not add IMO, JMO or any of the other caveats that WS asks us to use if we are speaking purely from an unqualified opinion.

 

[ginnyw]

An example .....

Mr X reported missing.
Full details taken from person reporting by the attending police officer. Including description, clothing, and details of any vulnerabilities.
Dependent on the whole 'picture', the Misper will be graded. High Risk, or lower.
Immediate local enquiries will be started. Friends, places frequented, sometime (depending on information) specific locations.

A body is found, in a river/lake/reservoir.
This could be hours, days, or weeks later.
Officers dispatched.
Body recovered. Death confirmed.
It is pretty much certain that this is Misper, but formal ID required.
NoK advised.
Unless there is obvious and immediate suspicion of foul play (taking into account the initial report information), the body will be removed to the local hospital mortuary. By the next on list funeral directors - quite often the CoOp.
Body is accompanied/met at the mortuary by police officer.
All clothing and possessions are taken, and labelled.
The body is labelled by the police officer and mortuary technician, and placed in safe storage.
Police officer starts the paperwork, and arranges liaison with NoK re formal ID and how this can be done.
Coroner's officer is notified.
PM completed the next day, or day after, by the hospital pathologist.
This is a routine PM.
There is no requirement for police, or CSI, attendance.
If this pathologist finds anything suspicious, they will stop the PM, confer with HO FP, and Coroner, and police, and procedures step up several levels.

Interesting and concise post - thanks for putting it up here. So your last point would imply that in the case of NB, something suspicious is the reason that a HO FP is being consulted?

 

[dunkley]

@dunkley - I’m curious. Are you a professional in a field related to the content of your post? I note that you do not add IMO, JMO or any of the other caveats that WS asks us to use if we are speaking purely from an unqualified opinion.

I am sorry .....

I speak from personal experience as a UK response officer with 20 years service, although now retired.
I dealt with my fair share of deaths, in every manifestation, and of every age.
I perhaps ought to get verified? Or remember to state IMO ....

 

[shinimeggie]

There has possibly been hundreds if not thousands of people that have visited the scene since the disappearance....Just wondering how many have accidently fell into the water ?
I know many scoff at the you tube sleuths, but some have come up with some really good thought out theories. The fact that the Police immediately jumped to one conclusion seriously puzzles me.

The police had more evidence than anyone on YouTube will ever have.

 

[ginnyw]

It's interesting that on the Lancs Gov website database of inquest hearings, NB is one of the few to be allotted an entire day for the hearing.

 

[dunkley]

Interesting and concise post - thanks for putting it up here. So your last point would imply that in the case of NB, something suspicious is the reason that a HO FP is being consulted?

Absolutely not. This is a generic example of a sadly common incident of recovering a body from water.

In the case of NB, I have not read anything that suggests any foul play has been suspected, at any stage.
Unless I read a completely unabridged statement from HM Senior Coroner referencing using a HO FP, I am very wary of taking anything by MSM as gospel. They are notorious for inaccurate reporting.
Nikki has been released to her family.
The only thing left is to collate the results of all PM tests (tox screens, histology etc), professional statements, and anything else either relevant, or requested by the Coroner.
This will be heard in its entirety at the full Inquest in June.

IMO

 

[Cuko]

I am sorry .....

I speak from personal experience as a UK response officer with 20 years service, although now retired.
I dealt with my fair share of deaths, in every manifestation, and of every age.
I perhaps ought to get verified? Or remember to state IMO ....

Thanks for replying, and no need at all to apologise - I was just being nosey! Your posts read as if you have experience of the things you’re talking about, and now I know why!

 

[ginnyw]

Absolutely not. This is a generic example of a sadly common incident of recovering a body from water.

In the case of NB, I have not read anything that suggests any foul play has been suspected, at any stage.
Unless I read a completely unabridged statement from HM Senior Coroner referencing using a HO FP, I am very wary of taking anything by MSM as gospel. They are notorious for inaccurate reporting.
Nikki has been released to her family.
The only thing left is to collate the results of all PM tests (tox screens, histology etc), professional statements, and anything else either relevant, or requested by the Coroner.
This will be heard in its entirety at the full Inquest in June.

IMO

Thank you, that's a very helpful response and ties in with what many of us believed all along, i.e. no third-party involvement and/or foul play.

 

[JennieM]

Diving expert Peter Faulding whose firm failed to find Nicola Bulley says their 'expertise is not in question' after they were removed from National Crime Agency list​

SGI was this week dropped from an official list of experts recommended to assist in investigations on the Expert Advisers Database.

In a statement to MailOnline today he said SGI's operational ability and expertise are not in question.

'We have had correspondence with the National Crime Agency but are not at liberty to comment on matters pertaining to the Expert Advisor’s Database at this time or the reported review of SGI’s inclusion on the database. We will be seeking further clarification on the issue.

'SGI’s operational ability and expertise is not in question. We are proud of our record in specialist search and rescue operations, conducted over many decades, during which we have worked with police departments and other agencies to the high standards expected of nationally recognised specialists.

'On the Nicola Bulley search we were tasked with assisting Lancashire Police with the river search element of the operation, and we conducted this to the highest standards. Our intention at all times was to provide help and assistance to the police, and to Nicola’s family.

'Our thoughts at this time are with Nicola Bulley’s family and we would ask all parties to respect their wishes for privacy.'

An internal review is expected to be carried out and could result in the group being reinstated, according to The Times.

A spokesman for the National Crime Agency told the publication: 'The NCA does not employ, endorse or accredit experts on our adviser database.

'The database is subject to continual review and its purpose is to maintain a list of expertise UK law enforcement can draw upon when required.

'We proactively seek feedback from customers regarding experts' performance and contribution. The monitoring of performance equally applies to individuals and organisations who become involved in investigations without NCA engagement.'

Diving expert in Nicola Bulley search says 'expertise not in question'

Peter Faulding's Specialist Group International (SGI) was this week dropped from an official list of experts recommended to assist in investigations on the Expert Advisers Database.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[dunkley]

"In a statement to MailOnline today he said SGI's operational ability and expertise are not in question."

But *something* is .....
I wonder if it could be related to their CEO's apparent inability for discretion, and directly proportionate ability to offer up unsubstantiated theories to the media ...?

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I am sorry .....

I speak from personal experience as a UK response officer with 20 years service, although now retired.
I dealt with my fair share of deaths, in every manifestation, and of every age.
I perhaps ought to get verified? Or remember to state IMO ....

That would be AWESOME if you'd do that! VI's are good to have around. Plus, you don't have to remember to MOO at the crowd with every post. lol

 

[MrsWatson]

"In a statement to MailOnline today he said SGI's operational ability and expertise are not in question."

But *something* is .....
I wonder if it could be related to their CEO's apparent inability for discretion, and directly proportionate ability to offer up unsubstantiated theories to the media ...?

JMO

Similar to my own thoughts. Maybe a non-disclosure clause in the contract with the NCA?

He had a lot to say about an ongoing, active investigation, including criticizing the police.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

"In a statement to MailOnline today he said SGI's operational ability and expertise are not in question."

But *something* is .....
I wonder if it could be related to their CEO's apparent inability for discretion, and directly proportionate ability to offer up unsubstantiated theories to the media ...?

JMO

Right? PF's company may be technically capable, but PF himself has proven to be a liability. IMO, of course.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Similar to my own thoughts. Maybe a non-disclosure clause in the contract with the NCA?

He had a lot to say about an ongoing, active investigation, including criticizing the police.

Agreed. I think if they are under review it will be because of what they said rather than what they did.

 

[Furore]

Agreed. I think if they are under review it will be because of what they said rather than what they did.

Yes imo a conduct issue for disclosing and almost actively sabotaging a live operation. Other expert services involved such as sniffer dog teams didn’t feel the need to give all the interviews and television appearances… (sniffer dog team were a charity not police)

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Does Fitbit record everything automatically or does it need to be switched on first ?

No they don't need to be turned on. When you first start using a fitbit you make an account and "add" the device you've bought (there are multiple styles of fitbit with varying capabilities).

After that, anytime the fitbit has battery charge, it will collect whatever data is has the capability for, and anytime it is synced to the account it will upload that data.

IME

 

[Agatha3]

Isn't it funny how the Daily Mail find this so abhorrent, whilst at the same time plastering this image all over their paper of the exact same scene (picture 8).

Nicola Bulley's family say police confirmed their 'worst fears'

The body found in the river Wyre is mother-of-two Nicola Bulley, 45 (pictured), police have confirmed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Direct link to pic on article: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/0...ot_in_the_River_Wyre_L-a-18_1676915799895.jpg

Not the same kind of picture at all.