UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #14

[marynnu]

I thought she had siblings due to the names mentioned in her note alongside mum and dad, my fault to assume eh

Nobody's sure - cousins or half brothers maybe?

 

[esther43]

Nobody's sure - cousins or half brothers maybe?

It's referenced on the prosecution's opening speech that colleagues names were found on post it notes. Not sure if these or other notes or refer to Tom and matt

 

[Anxala]

I'm just glad the 3rd triplet was transferred, and of course that Baby Q survived. We'll never know what would or would not have happened if that triplet had stayed at CoC of course, but it does make you think.

That's been the most harrowing part of the trial for me, the description of the living nightmare that Baby O and Baby P's parents endured and their then having to more or less take things into their own grieving and desperate hands to protect their remaining baby.

 

[esther43]

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

So a needle stick injury. Do compressions usually stop when adrenaline is administered? Is needlestick injury common during resus?

 

[Supernovae]

Nobody's sure - cousins or half brothers maybe?

Half-brothers, I think, and probably significantly older.

 

[Imogenia]

So a needle stick injury. Do compressions usually stop when adrenaline is administered? Is needlestick injury common during resus?

In unsure how common such injuries are during resuscitations, but sounds to me that the needle stick injury was perhaps from a syringe and needle that had already been used, maybe lying on a foil tray with empty vial, awaiting pop into sharps receptacle, once written record had been made.

Obviously they have to keep very accurate notes of all drugs administered during resuscitations.

 

[DinerMite]

Apologies if already posted

Podcast Baby O was out today

https://spotify.link/eapl61Xokyb

 

[ColourPurple]

“So sad. The family thanked me when I took (Child P) in dressed. And I know age doesn’t make it any easier/harder but such a lot to go through at a young age.”

The doctor said: “I don’t know how it would be possible to get over losing a child, let alone 2.”

Letby responded with a crying emoji and wrote: “Think my head may explode…”

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Is she saying they were young parents? If so, how bloody heartbreaking to suffer that kind of loss so young. And to have the frame of mind to demand they take your surviving baby out of the hospital.

If LL is guilty of all this, she's an absolute monster!

IMO

 

[Anxala]

Lucy Letby: Nurse's messages after baby deaths read to jury

Nurse Lucy Letby is accused of administering fatal doses of air to two baby brothers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Later that night, in a Facebook message to a doctor, Ms Letby said: "I keep thinking of them both in the cot together - so peaceful yet beyond words for how awful it is."

And this one

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

That Dr Choc was clearly a very good and caring friend to her. And also clearly (imo) interested in her as more than a friend, although I'm still not seeing the same (romantic) interest in him from her. He seems to have been almost a sounding board for her.

I'd love to know more.

 

[JosieJo]

That Dr Choc was clearly a very good and caring friend to her. And also clearly (imo) interested in her as more than a friend, although I'm still not seeing the same interest in him from her. He seems to have been almost a sounding board for her.

I'd love to know more.

I agree ... I can't make out if she was definitely not interested or not picking up on the hints

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

So a needle stick injury. Do compressions usually stop when adrenaline is administered? Is needlestick injury common during resus?

Usually you would pause for a heart rate check and, if needed, give the adrenaline at that time, most likely through a needless access device connected to some sort of vascular access. Then you resume compressions until the next heart rate check. The compressions are what move the blood with the adrenaline in it around, otherwise it's gonna sit there and do nothing.

"Bloods" would only follow a "dirty" needlestick. Maybe from a needle used for putting in an IV?

How common? IDK. I once got a needlestick due to a problem with the safety device after giving routine immunizations. People get needlesticks sometimes. In a really crowded resus I can see someone getting bumped with a needle unintentionally.

 

[marynnu]

So a needle stick injury. Do compressions usually stop when adrenaline is administered? Is needlestick injury common during resus?

I wouldn't say common, but you can get a needlestick injury anytime, and in a resus situation there are a lot of sharps about.. (A colleague of mine managed to get one in her abdomen in a freak incident, obviously we all laughed. Nurses are wicked!!).

 

[Dotta]

Didn't she faint while being given the blood test and learnt that Consultants were talking about the death of the Baby?

JMO

 

[esther43]

That Dr Choc was clearly a very good and caring friend to her. And also clearly (imo) interested in her as more than a friend, although I'm still not seeing the same interest in him from her. He seems to have been almost a sounding board for her.

I'd love to know more.

I agree ... I can't make out if she was definitely not interested or not picking up on the hints

It was quite early on I suppose, it looks like he was trying to build an attachment and for whatever reason it was working as she called on him in her hour of need.
Not sure if she fancies him, she seems to need his reassurance. They were getting closer for sure. I'd be surprised if they'd kissed.

 

[Legal]

I feel really bad for LL's family, especially when she says

Letby said: “I know, I feel bad because I know it’s really hard for them especially as I’m an only child and they mean well, just a little suffocating at times and constantly feel guilty."

They must absolutely be worried sick by this whole thing, no matter the outcome.

I can't remember now if this has already been suggested, but if guilty, could a motive for attacking twins and triplets be jealousy that they have siblings and she is an only child? I'm sure we discussed long ago she had talked with a colleague who planned to go to Australia but LL couldn't leave her parents- they were apparently not too happy she had moved to Chester, according to her.

And Parker, I agree the sheer cost and time expended on this trial is insane. I felt the same with the one before christmas with 8 defendants (i think) and each with counsel and then it collapsed right near the end. All taxpayers' money.

 

[Dotta]

I can't remember now if this has already been suggested, but if guilty, could a motive for attacking twins and triplets be jealousy that they have siblings and she is an only child? I'm sure we discussed long ago she had talked with a colleague who planned to go to Australia but LL couldn't leave her parents- they were apparently not too happy she had moved to Chester, according to her.

And Parker, I agree the sheer cost and time expended on this trial is insane. I felt the same with the one before christmas with 8 defendants (i think) and each with counsel and then it collapsed right near the end. All taxpayers' money.

Not to mention her feeling "suffocated" and "guilty" in parents' context.

JMO

 

[Imogenia]

Didn't she faint while being given the blood test and learnt that that Consultants were talking about the death of the Baby?

Someone told the A and E staff about what had happened.

Dr Choc phoned the A and E (probably doctor there) to ensure that she would be seen quickly.

So, they’re drawing her blood and hears that the staff know what happened and she faints?

Maybe she stood up too quickly after the blood samples were taken.

 

[esther43]

Usually you would pause for a heart rate check and, if needed, give the adrenaline at that time, most likely through a needless access device connected to some sort of vascular access. Then you resume compressions until the next heart rate check. The compressions are what move the blood with the adrenaline in it around, otherwise it's gonna sit there and do nothing.

"Bloods" would only follow a "dirty" needlestick. Maybe from a needle used for putting in an IV?

How common? IDK. I once got a needlestick due to a problem with the safety device after giving routine immunizations. People get needlesticks sometimes. In a really crowded resus I can see someone getting bumped with a needle unintentionally.

Ahh so adrenaline straight into the cannula then. And not like in pulp fiction.... :-/

 

[Dotta]

Someone told the A and E staff about what had happened.

Dr Choc phoned the A and E (probably doctor there) to ensure that she would be seen quickly.

So, they’re drawing her blood and hears that the staff know what happened and she faints?

Maybe she stood up too quickly after the blood samples were taken.

Didn't she also feel anxious when a team from another hospital arrived?
Curiouser and curiouser.

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

Someone told the A and E staff about what had happened.

Dr Choc phoned the A and E (probably doctor there) to ensure that she would be seen quickly.

So, they’re drawing her blood and hears that the staff know what happened and she faints?

Maybe she stood up too quickly after the blood samples were taken.

It's worded as if just hearing them talking about what had happened to Baby P was what made her faint, rather than having blood taken.

Letby replied: “Yes just got back. I made a fool of myself whilst there.”

The doctor, who was also involved in the resuscitation efforts, said: “I asked them to be quick for you. How did you make a fool of yourself?”

Letby responded: “They said someone had asked for me to been seen asap and they knew what had happened today.

“Everyone talking about it whilst I was there. I fainted.”

The doctor asked: “Oh are you OK now?”

Letby replied: “Bit shaky but OK. Writing my notes. They were reluctant to let me go as on my own.”

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk