UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #16

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I'm thinking it's possible hospital weren't aware until today. Unless he confessed what he'd done.
I wonder with this in mind; the infamous “note” was a reflection of that forwarded email.

If dr choc was for the defence and now that email has been shared, this isn’t looking good for them (or him professionally). I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.

All JMO
 
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I wonder with this in mind; the infamous “note” was a reflection of that forwarded email.

If dr choc was for the defence and now that email has been shared, this isn’t looking good for them (or him professionally). I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.

All JMO
Breach of Confidence
IMO
 
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I'd be very suprised if the hospital hasn't already dealt with Dr Chocs "Emailgate"

Wouldn't this email have been found before his police interview? I feel he would have to have gone to his employer or the relevant party with this as soon as he was aware of it ..so could have been dealt with a while ago
 
  • #364
Could be what Mr Myers was referring to when he said LL knew what was being said about her, although nothing yet seems to mention deliberate harm.

It really makes me wonder what she's referring to when she said

Ms Letby says, in a message to a colleague, that she has made a 'timeline' of all the events over the last year adding: 'If they have nothing or minimal on me they’ll look silly'
 
  • #365
Surely she would have been expecting an arrest, not a re-allocation or supervision, if she thought they were thinking she'd killed them.
 
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I always worry and think worst case scenario if I'm told I need to see a manager or something changes - even though I'm a diligent worker! But I agree her response was very strange.
Could be what Mr Myers was referring to when he said LL knew what was being said about her, although nothing yet seems to mention deliberate harm.

It really makes me wonder what she's referring to when she said

Ms Letby says, in a message to a colleague, that she has made a 'timeline' of all the events over the last year adding: 'If they have nothing or minimal on me they’ll look silly'

Who would even remember exact dates unless she used hospital records? She must have had everything written down somewhere, hence the fb searches on key days.
 
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I wonder with this in mind; the infamous “note” was a reflection of that forwarded email.

If dr choc was for the defence and now that email has been shared, this isn’t looking good for them (or him professionally). I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.

All JMO


I think that"s a bit extreme. You can't go suggesting that someone's career should be ruined just because they shared something they shouldn't have. Anybody might do this to help a trusted friend, I know I would.
 
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Breach of Confidence
IMO
Absolutely. Given the discussions they were raising with him too, quite serious discussions, I am just amazed whether a friend or not that he forwarded it to her.

JMO
 
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I think that"s a bit extreme. You can't go suggesting that someone's career should be ruined just because they shared something they shouldn't have. Anybody might do this to help a trusted friend, I know I would.
I respectfully disagree. It was a serious discussion between professionals that he should not have shared with her whether she was a friend or not. I did not suggest his career should be ruined, I said I would be surprised if it wasn’t (or won’t be) discussed with the GMC.
JMO
 
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I respectfully disagree. It was a serious discussion between professionals that he should not have shared with her whether she was a friend or not. I did not suggest his career should be ruined, I said I would be surprised if it wasn’t (or won’t be) discussed with the GMC.
JMO
"Femme Fatale" comes to mind haha
 
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Curious at this point that judging by her language she still doesn’t seem to know how serious this situaction could be. theres no indication that she thinks this could turn into a legal matter. I’m surprised all in all at her use of the word “silly” to me that’s a word used for a trivial matter, eve without the police this is not a trivial matter or situation to be in. Although looking at her use of language in the past it’s fitting but still out. Really blooming curious.

Actually in terms of statement analysis this doesn't look good for LL.

"If they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly".

"If": there would be no "if" if she was innocent of assault/malpractice/incompetence. The inclusion of the "if" explicitly allows the possibility of wrongdoing.

Combined with "they have (...) minimal on me" - the minimal allows for an even greater possibility of wrongdoing - it's almost like she's admitting they could have something on her but dismissing it as "minimal".

"If they have nothing or minimal on me" altogether is extremely dodgy: she's not suggesting her innocence at all, but suggesting that if she has done something wrong they're unlikely to find any evidence.

"(...) they'll look silly" is arrogant, contemptuous bravado. The trivialisation is purposeful: she's showing her contempt for the silly process to try to show she has nothing to worry about.
 
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I wonder with this in mind; the infamous “note” was a reflection of that forwarded email.

If dr choc was for the defence and now that email has been shared, this isn’t looking good for them (or him professionally). I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.

All JMO

I definitely think (if LL guilty) he will be reprimanded in some way.

He was acting irrationally and unprofessionally because of his infatuation for her.

If Letby is found guilty I think there will be repercussions for many of the side characters in this debacle, especially the manager nurses who were named a few weeks ago, and Dr Choc who was only thinking with his "little brain".
 
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Absolutely. Given the discussions they were raising with him too, quite serious discussions, I am just amazed whether a friend or not that he forwarded it to her.

JMO
Yes, that he did it in such a trackable way is surprising. He could have just told her about it, but no, he forwards her the whole email!
 
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I respectfully disagree. It was a serious discussion between professionals that he should not have shared with her whether she was a friend or not. I did not suggest his career should be ruined, I said I would be surprised if it wasn’t (or won’t be) discussed with the GMC.
JMO

In my defence (!) you did say "I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.".
Or was that someone else? Apologies if so.
 
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Yes, that he did it in such a trackable way is surprising. He could have just told her about it, but no, he forwards her the whole email!

What a plonker.
 
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In my defence (!) you did say "I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.".
Or was that someone else? Apologies if so.
But you’re implying that I suggested his career should be ruined. That wasnt what I meant.
I said; I would be surprised if the gmc didn’t have something to say on the matter.

Whether that is informally, a discussion with him/asking for a fitness to practice meeting or whatever, that it’s possible they may want to discuss things with him. That is just part of being on the register as I know you will be aware. It’s not an unlikely thought to have that it’s possible the gmc may have questions too.

The thing is; he was aware there were an increased number of deaths in the unit etc. There was also the “chaos” between the triplets and baby Q, he was aware of all that.

He has a private and confidential discussion with another professional (doctor) via email and it was not up for disclosure the way it was with friends/nursing colleagues, lovers or whatever. It was a genuine concern for patient safety and he sent it to her.

Instead of stepping back and keeping that confidential very serious information to himself- he forwarded it to her leaving the paper trail to boot that “if” there indeed was someone harming patients in their team, the “grapevine” as they referred to it as would have all known about it.

Now I didn’t imply his career should be ruined, given the circumstances I meant that it’s possible (or at least I wouldn’t be surprised) if the gmc would want a discussion on the matter. That is not an unreasonable thought given his professional position.

JMO
 
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