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Is she still getting support from friends and colleagues? She might well be, but I've not seen any evidence.
Is she still getting support from friends and colleagues? She might well be, but I've not seen any evidence.
UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #16
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I meant in general terms, general public.
There are ppl who are ready to "die on this hill" for her.
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That would be a horrible way to find out but that reason wasn't given at all when the media law expert discussed it on the podcast. It was all related to the adult witnesses.
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Medical expert Dr Sandie Bohin is now in the witness box. She was asked to review the findings of Dr Dewi Evans - who reviewed all the cases on instruction from Cheshire Police in 2017
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Prosecutor Nick Johnson KC asks Dr Bohin if there could be a natural/obvious explanation for 'clear fluid' being aspirated from Child Q on the morning of 25 June (soon after the baby boy collapsed and required resuscitation)
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She says: 'No, I don’t know where plus plus plus of clear fluid (as written on nursing note) comes from given at that time he had not had any feed since 2hrs previously, only a very tiny amount of milk..'
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She added: 'What was aspirated here was clear fluid not milk, I can’t explain where it would have come from'. She concludes that liquid/air was forced down his NG tube
Medical expert Dr Sandie Bohin is now in the witness box. She was asked to review the findings of Dr Dewi Evans - who reviewed all the cases on instruction from Cheshire Police in 2017
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Prosecutor Nick Johnson KC asks Dr Bohin if there could be a natural/obvious explanation for 'clear fluid' being aspirated from Child Q on the morning of 25 June (soon after the baby boy collapsed and required resuscitation)
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She says: 'No, I don’t know where plus plus plus of clear fluid (as written on nursing note) comes from given at that time he had not had any feed since 2hrs previously, only a very tiny amount of milk..'
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She added: 'What was aspirated here was clear fluid not milk, I can’t explain where it would have come from'. She concludes that liquid/air was forced down his NG tube
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Ben Myers KC, defending, is now cross examining Dr Bohin. He references evidence from a nurse, who cannot be named, who said she saw mucous at Child Q's mouth, he puts it to her that this could be clear liquid referred to and asks if it was could it cause breathing difficulty
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She says it is unlikely it would be mucous, but says if it was, in that volume, it could cause issues
Ben Myers KC, defending, is now cross examining Dr Bohin. He references evidence from a nurse, who cannot be named, who said she saw mucous at Child Q's mouth, he puts it to her that this could be clear liquid referred to and asks if it was could it cause breathing difficulty
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She says it is unlikely it would be mucous, but says if it was, in that volume, it could cause issues
Just a quick note. In my experience, the term 'mucousy' is commonly used by nurses & doctors to describe clear fluid which is a bit denser than just water, a little slimy or frothy, if you will. As a nurse said previously, like saliva. Mucus is obviously quite different. Think nose. 
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Nick Johnson KC has just read a summary of Ms Letby's police interview in relation to the collapse of Child Q. In this she denied doing anything to harm the baby boy and said it was a 'coincidence he became unwell when she came on duty'
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Nick Johnson KC has just read a summary of Ms Letby's police interview in relation to the collapse of Child Q. In this she denied doing anything to harm the baby boy and said it was a 'coincidence he became unwell when she came on duty'
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Have to point out I don't think Myers actually did reply "so you are saying it's possible then". But I did post that it wouldn't surprise me if that was his reply lol
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Oh OK---lol...the jurors probably heard that in their heads even if he didn't say it. lolHave to point out I don't think Myers actually did reply "so you are saying it's possible then". But I did post that it wouldn't surprise me if that was his reply lol
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Hah yup, I feel we know Myer's style so well now we could write his scripts for him!
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I think the reply LL gave---" it was just a coincidence he became unwell when I came on duty" would normally be a very effective reply. I mean just because there is a shift change and a new designated nurse comes on, doesn't make it her fault if the baby has a sudden collapse.
And that was an effective reply for her for quite some time. Especially when the collapses were sporadic. I think the problem this time in Q's case, is that he was the 3rd baby to suddenly collapse, back to back to back.>>> 3 babies in 3 days.
And worse for her, she had just come back from 10 day vacation---no unexplained collapses in that 10 days? But literally the very day she returns, early in her shift, allegedly, triplet number one collapses and dies, with no warning. And within an hour of his collapse, his brother, allegedly, begins to suddenly deteroriate in a very similar fashion. And he dies too.
The doctors urgently voice their suspicions about her involvement and try to have her removed from the unit. The management denies their request and she begins to care for Baby Q, and then ,allegedly, he suddenly collapses with similar issues.
So the reply from her that it is just a coincidence is not a very effective reply anymore, after 3 babies in 3 days, immediately upon her return from vacation. JMO
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The jury is now being shown text/facebook messages from 26 June onwards between Ms Letby and colleagues (in relation to Child Q)
The jury is now being shown text/facebook messages from 26 June onwards between Ms Letby and colleagues (in relation to Child Q)
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In messages to a colleague on 27 June, Ms Letby complains that the neonatal unit is 'way over capacity', she says the 'unit needs properly assessing, I don’t think equipment gets cleaned properly….we haven’t got space to maintain hygiene'
In messages to a colleague on 27 June, Ms Letby complains that the neonatal unit is 'way over capacity', she says the 'unit needs properly assessing, I don’t think equipment gets cleaned properly….we haven’t got space to maintain hygiene'
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We've just been shown messages between Ms Letby and a colleague were she says she is 'worried' after being asked by a senior nurse not to come in for her night shift and that she would be on days from now on
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She said to one colleague it was 'worrying in case they think I missed something or whatever'. She says the fact she had a call late on 27 June was 'messing with her head' and making her worry - in responses, two of her colleagues are reassuring her
We've just been shown messages between Ms Letby and a colleague were she says she is 'worried' after being asked by a senior nurse not to come in for her night shift and that she would be on days from now on
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She said to one colleague it was 'worrying in case they think I missed something or whatever'. She says the fact she had a call late on 27 June was 'messing with her head' and making her worry - in responses, two of her colleagues are reassuring her
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Ms Letby tells a colleague that the call from a senior nurse telling her not to come in had sent her into a 'meltdown' and that she was 'completely overwhelmed' with worry
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Quoting my post to say ...
Looks like we finally know the date she was taken off the ward.
A call from a senior nurse on the evening of 27th June 2016
ETA Actually I think I'm wrong. Looks like at that point she was just told not to come in for her night shift and told she would be on days from then on! So there may still be another few day shifts after the 27th before she's taken off the ward completely!
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It certainly looks as if she had a guilty conscience by that point - but was that just over unintentional mistakes or something more serious?
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