UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #16

[ColourPurple]

This photo was taken by professionals - it was a publicity photo (fundraising).

No wonder it looks perfect.
Too perfect if you ask me haha

Yes it was taken to project a certain image, and it does it well.

 

[squish]

I think, if guilty, any book would have the pic of her in her nurses uniform from 2013 on the front cover. I think she's been quite "lucky"in that respect. It's probably the most flattering photo of her, and was five years old , even at the time of her arrest, (so now ten years old) yet it's the one most articles use. It ticks too many boxes for them not to really, she's wearing her nurse's uniform, holding a baby grow, looks pleasant, kind, smiling, normal.

And guilty or innocent, from stuff I've read from the early days when nobody knew anything about LL, that pic alone was enough to convince a lot of people that she could not possibly be guilty. It also seemed to win her quite a few male supporters who refused to believe that somebody they perceived as attractive may have the desire, ability or "need" to harm babies.

All IMO

She’s indeed very lucky that the only photos the papers had to go on were those very flattering promotional photos you mention from her early twenties when she still had that youthful prettiness that all young girls have, and the photos from her own Facebook for which she would obviously have only chosen the ones she liked and looked good in. These were all from her early to mid twenties as well.

There’s a big difference between these where she looks rather nice, and her paparazzi photos were she … doesn’t, lol.

If she’s found guilty it will be interesting to see the photos the papers focus on. Before the trial, the narrative was “a lovely young nurse is accused of killing babies” with the inference that it might be wrong, and if it is right, then wtf?

If it’s proven right, obviously they’ll be allowed to post her mugshot which are never flattering, but I would bet any money they’ll promote the photos showing her looking ugly, because in the media, ugly women = bad. (I say this as an unfortunate looking woman myself, I’m not being judgemental).

 

[Marantz4250b]

I wonder with this in mind; the infamous “note” was a reflection of that forwarded email.

If dr choc was for the defence and now that email has been shared, this isn’t looking good for them (or him professionally). I would be surprised if the GMC (general medical council) don’t have something to say on the matter, suspended or struck off. This could have serious implications on his fitness to practice, whether LL is guilty or not.

All JMO

As my previous; I think this far more likely to be the reason there is a reporting restriction in relation to him!

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[Marantz4250b]

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Lucy Letby trial: Nurse moved to risk office after baby deaths, jury told​

Lucy Letby trial: Nurse moved to risk office after baby deaths, jury told

Lucy Letby was given a role in patient safety after doctors raised concerns about her, a court hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

Dan’s write up of today

So - the hospital's first reaction to a potentially serious threat by one nurse to patient safety is to move her from night shift to day shift to monitor whether the alleged trail of destruction followed her (and we know they did because the prosecution said they did in opening speeches) and then when it allegedly kept happening she's moved to PATIENT SAFETY duties!!!! wtactualf????

 

[Marantz4250b]

"Risk and Patients' Safety Office"????
Wow!

You really couldn't make it up!

JMO

It's fortunate that this is all taking place in a courtroom because the inevitable movie and TV series would be laughed out of production if it were a work of fiction!

 

[ColourPurple]

...If she’s found guilty it will be interesting to see the photos the papers focus on. Before the trial, the narrative was “a lovely young nurse is accused of killing babies” with the inference that it might be wrong, and if it is right, then wtf?

If it’s proven right, obviously they’ll be allowed to post her mugshot which are never flattering, but I would bet any money they’ll promote the photos showing her looking ugly, because in the media, ugly women = bad. (I say this as an unfortunate looking woman myself, I’m not being judgemental).

RSBM

The papers do also love a big "fall from grace" story, and the greater height the person falls from the better, so I think if guilty, they'll still post the 2013 pic, but yes throw in the mugshot and a few more up to date less flattering pics.

 

[marynnu]

So - the hospital's first reaction to a potentially serious threat by one nurse to patient safety is to move her from night shift to day shift to monitor whether the alleged trail of destruction followed her (and we know they did because the prosecution said they did in opening speeches) and then when it allegedly kept happening she's moved to PATIENT SAFETY duties!!!! wtactualf????

I believe this to be incorrect. She evidently was not moved to day shifts in April. I suspect this was mis-reported then just became accepted as fact. It really was never believable, was it! JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

I believe this to be incorrect. She evidently was not moved to day shifts in April. I suspect this was mis-reported then just became accepted as fact. It really was never believable, was it! JMO

They do seem to have combined two separate things, that when she moved to day shifts the unexpected collapses allegedly moved to day shifts too, and that she was later (27th June 2016) made to move to day shifts.

 

[Dotta]

Yes it was taken to project a certain image, and it does it well.

Exactly.

She looks "angelic" - fair hair, shy smile and colour blue.
Plus a tiny baby's piece of clothing.

It pulls every emotional string - for both females (maternity instinct) and males (attractive nurse).

And it appeals to our longing to be taken care of by caring medical staff when in need and ill.

It is perfect.
Illusion.

JMO

 

[marynnu]

They do seem to have combined two separate things, that when she moved to day shifts the unexpected collapses allegedly moved to day shifts too, and that she was later (27th June 2016) made to move to day shifts.

Exactly, well put.

 

[Tortoise]

It never made sense that a hospital would conduct an experiment to see if deaths/collapses followed her from nights to days. Unfortunate choice of words, IMO, should have said 'when she worked the day shift ...'


"Many of the events occurred "during the night shifts".

When Letby was moved to the day shifts, the rate of collapses "shifted to the day shift pattern"."

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder if it was a shock to doc choc to discover, presumably when the external review team came in August, that there had been many other similar events over the year, before he joined the unit.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder if it was a shock to doc choc to discover, presumably when the external review team came in August, that there had been many other similar events over the year, before he joined the unit.

Do we know how long he had been at the Countess?

It seems like the messages between her and her co-worker, talking about if she fancies him or not, and his messages about leaving chocolates, sound to me like he was a new doctor in the unit.

 

[Marantz4250b]

On July 15, 2016, Ms Lloyd Powell informs staff that all of them will need to undertake 'a period of clinical supervision' in preparation for an external review.

'Due to our staffing issues it has been difficult to determine how we undertake this process. We can only support one member of staff at a time, therefore we have decided that it would be useful to commence with staff who have been involved in many of the acute events, facilitating a supportive role to each individual.

'Therefore Lucy has agreed to undergo this supervision first commencing on Monday 18th July, 2016.

'I appreciate that this process may be an added stress factor in an already emotive environment, but we need to ensure that we can assure a safe environment, in addition to safeguarding not only our babies but our staff'.

Lucy Letby was transferred from unit over doctors' fears, trial hears

Hospital managers transferred neonatal nurse Lucy Letby to a patient 'risk and safety' unit after consultants insisted on having her removed from frontline work with babies, a trial heard today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

BBM
Says it all really commencing with member of staff who has been involved in most (all) events. JMO

To be fair, whether guilty or not, she had every right to be annoyed if that's how the letter was worded - especially if she hadn't actually "agreed" to do it. That's a very tactless way of doing it and I'm not at all surprised she raised a grievance over it.

 

[Marantz4250b]

This is clearly a way to get LL off the ward without incriminating her, implying anything bad about her, or getting themselves (management) in trouble.

By implying that it's something that they will all go through, and that they are doing it for Lucy's benefit ("support") it makes LL look less guilty and less targeted.

It immediately makes it public that she'd been involved in multiple drastic events. As far as we are aware, no one other than a small group of consultants had any suspicions about her - even if they were only suspicions as to her competence, so after this everyone did.

It appears to me to be a massive breach of trust and confidentiality. If it were my name in place of her's I'd be absolutely raging!

 

[Tortoise]

Do we know how long he had been at the Countess?

It seems like the messages between her and her co-worker, talking about if she fancies him or not, and his messages about leaving chocolates, sound to me like he was a new doctor in the unit.

The first case he was called as a witness was for baby L, 9th April 2016 day shift.

He allegedly messaged LL on 2nd June out of the blue, asking for an opinion on something. That was hours before the night shift when baby N collapsed, but doc choc wasn't on call that night.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I agree ...but the method makes me feel uncomfortable..feels so underhand..but ..I can't really think of a different approach

Surely, you just call her in confidentially and say something along the lines of "...okay, you're aware that you've been involved in a number of serious incidents and you know that it's our professional and ethical duty to investigate; this is in no way us saying that we think you've done anything wrong, intentionally or otherwise, but it's our duty to investigate and patient safety trumps everything else so we're taking you off nursing duties for a while...".

She's a professional, well trained nurse, and she should realise that this is a perfectly reasonable way of doing things. Anyone would realise that They can also agree how it's presented to other staff members. No, it's not easy but managers and senior personnel are paid to do this and are promoted because they can do these things - or at least that's how it's supposed to work!

To be honest, this is just another example of how utterly terribly this trust is being run. Again, not surprised that she lodged a grievance.

 

[Sweeper2000]

i said it before and I’ll say it again and other people have said similar things before and I won’t be surprised if they say similar things again that is to say I wish to say that in saying this that I wish to say and it in being said is me saying it seems dr choc and ll got off to a flying start. Two months and he’s putting his job on the line for her. That’s a surprising thing by itself, she must have had something to her. Really can’t quite understand that, speaks of a level of infatuation or of a feeling of great care he had for her. Normally takes a bit of time to develop imo.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Mr Johnson said: "I have already told you that the police found a large quantity of hospital paperwork relating to many of the children whose deaths and collapses you are now considering.


Well we've only heard of three so far. How strange! Maybe they will tell all when they discuss the police search in court.


'Interesting items' were found during a search of her house on Westbourne Road in Chester, including paperwork relating to many of the children who died or suffered collapses and Post-it notes...

Yes, that does make it sound like there could be things other than paperwork and post it notes! I suppose the paper towel with notes on could be one.

Yes, I'm thinking that we've heard very little about this "large quantity" of paperwork found at her house. If so then why have they not been introduced as evidence as they relate to each charge/alleged victim? Or maybe they have and we haven't heard?