UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #16

[Tortoise]

Two years after the suspension from clinical duties and a year after her first arrest.

you got the first part right, but her house was searched on her first arrest in 2018.

 

[JosieJo]

you got the first part right, but her house was searched on her first arrest in 2018.

So potentially she may not have known anything was going on other than her employers concerns. Therefore if suspicious wouldn't think of getting rid of them?

 

[Tortoise]

So potentially she may not have known anything was going on other than her employers concerns. Therefore if suspicious wouldn't think of getting rid of them?

she knew police were investigating because she wrote it in one of her notes, but that doesn't mean she expected them to find evidence of (alleged) murders/attempted murders, given it was 2-3 years later, and most all the deaths were certified to be natural causes.

In any case, the documents in themselves, if found, don't have 'souvenir' written on them, and weren't framed, so they can always be brushed off with a claim that they were nothing to her.

 

[Sweeper2000]

So, are you saying she would get rid of the documents if guilty but might not if innocent? I don't follow that. Either way you'd know it looks a bit strange and you're not supposed to have this stuff at home. I would have expected her to get rid so as not to get in trouble for that, at least. Why she didn't makes no sense to me, even if they're part of her personal investigation into the previous year's events.

Do you mind if I ask if you're English? Only because here "it’s a bit of a worry if it’s going that far” means "Bloody hell, this is seriously bad"! . All IMO.

Thats my point really. Well yeh innocent people act innocent like they’ve got nothing to hide. Leave everything as is as I havent done anything wrong so have nothing to worry about.
you help the investigation, you remain open and unmoved. Steadfast and sure but not necessarily 100% sure. Tbh if I had kept med records at home and then had a police enquiry about possible involvement in murders the last thing I would be worrying about is what work or police say if they found them, if innocent. If I was guilty the police wouldn’t find them.

im going to correct your second paragraph “an innocent English person says that cultural tendency” a guilty English person would say “cor blimey I’m done for, this ones a Blighty” and then “chairs and adders to Devon or bell for me guvnor” imo

tbh I genuinely think a break from atypical language would give you an indication to the way that was received. If it remains atypical it means the person saying it is centred and unmoved.

i Can’t believe I didn’t know her house was searched on first arrest. Thanks tortoise.

hmmm wondering when the police investigation was announced then Must be quite late 2016 judging by the texts. Website says it started may 2017. not sure we have heard about the end of the external review and I’m not sure who That was done by.

 

[WaxLyrical]

you got the first part right, but her house was searched on her first arrest in 2018.

Kind of makes the “I killed them on purpose” post it note evidence feel a bit weaker knowing they had it for 2.5yrs before they charged her.

 

[Tortoise]

Kind of makes the “I killed them on purpose” post it note evidence feel a bit weaker knowing they had it for 2.5yrs before they charged her.

they have to have all their evidence ready to go to court when they charge. I imagine they charged her when all of that was available, including the expert reports, to give to the court and her defence team.

 

[Dcflag]

I actually saw it more as she potentially had lots of documents in her house so discarded them. Missing some because they’re not neatly filed away but rather hidden in various places.

I wonder now as well if the garden search was looking for potential discarded documents.

 

[JosieJo]

she knew police were investigating because she wrote it in one of her notes, but that doesn't mean she expected them to find evidence of (alleged) murders/attempted murders, given it was 2-3 years later, and most all the deaths were certified to be natural causes.

In any case, the documents in themselves, if found, don't have 'souvenir' written on them, and weren't framed, so they can always be brushed off with a claim that they were nothing to her.

Thanks ...so everything taken from her house was taken on the same date ?

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks ...so everything taken from her house was taken on the same date ?

That's the date we've heard. I think by her later arrests she may have already sold the house, but I'm not certain. I think it's been posted here somewhere.

 

[Marantz4250b]

That's the date we've heard. I think by her later arrests she may have already sold the house, but I'm not certain. I think it's been posted here somewhere.

December 2019 it was sold, I think.

Edit: House Price History

 

[DianaWW]

After her first arrest she stayed with her parents in Hereford though, so I don't think she ever went back there to live. I know she reported to Hereford police station, not Chester, as part of her bail conditions.

First time Lucy Letby seen since arrest on suspicion of killing eight babies

Hoping we hear more about the paperwork found. I think it's bizarre she kept it whether innocent or guilty. She must have known it would look suspicious, even if innocent.

 

[Marantz4250b]

After her first arrest she stayed with her parents in Hereford though, so I don't think she ever went back there to live. I know she reported to Hereford police station, not Chester, as part of her bail conditions.

First time Lucy Letby seen since arrest on suspicion of killing eight babies

Hoping we hear more about the paperwork found. I think it's bizarre she kept it whether innocent or guilty. She must have known it would look suspicious, even if innocent.

Yes, officially she's still resident at her parents home in Hereford as she's only remanded, not imprisoned.

I'd love to know more about all this paperwork which was apparently found. The prosecution in their opening statement said that lots of paperwork relating to the alleged victims was found at her house. To me it's strange, though, that we've heard very little about it so far. Surely if lots of this paperwork relates directly to the alleged victims then it should have been mentioned during the evidence for each one yet we've heard very little at all about it zo far. Only been mentioned in a couple of cases, I think?

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[marynnu]

Yes, officially she's still resident at her parents home in Hereford as she's only remanded, not imprisoned.

I'd love to know more about all this paperwork which was apparently found. The prosecution in their opening statement said that lots of paperwork relating to the alleged victims was found at her house. To me it's strange, though, that we've heard very little about it so far. Surely if lots of this paperwork relates directly to the alleged victims then it should have been mentioned during the evidence for each one yet we've heard very little at all about it zo far. Only been mentioned in a couple of cases, I think?

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I wonder if it relates to what she said to her colleague? "Hoping to get as much info together as possible -if they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly, not Me.". Maybe she accessed patient records to get this information. Just speculation and all JMO.

 

[Tortoise]

"12:33pm

There was further paperwork the police took from Letby's address at the time of her arrest.
The defence say the paperwork was "nothing more extraordinary" that Letby being someone who scribbles a lot of work down, and keeps hold of it."

Lucy Letby trial recap: Prosecution finishes outlining case, defence gives statement

THE prosecution in the trial of Lucy Letby, accused of murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

I would be very interested to hear when these documents date from and if it’s a relatively new thing for her to take them home. All together I’m not sure how to draw any information from what we have heard.

 

[DianaWW]

I think we know that some of it was taken home after her shifts, and not as an information gathering exercise afterwards. That's the only way that she'd have had the paper towel with notes written on IMO. And if handover sheets aren't usually kept, and just destroyed at the end of a shift, then the same would apply for those I think. As for the rest, I suppose it depends on what it was?

 

[JamesMcGillEsquire]

This is very true. True story; I have long had this memory of being a very young child sitting with my father at silly o'clock in the morning watching a live broadcast of one of the lunar landings. It is memorable to me because he brought me down from bed to watch it. I recall being told off for swearing during it - commenting on the size of one of the moon boulders, I believe. It's a very definite memory to me.

The problem, however, is that at the time of the last lunar manned mission, December 1972, I was one year and a few days old so the chances of a) being able to recall it at all and, b) being told off for swearing are pretty remote. I'm not even sure there was a live broadcast of it but it seems unlikely there was. If I'd been asked about that memory without actually knowing the date of Apollo 17 I'd swear that it was a true recollection.

So, I have no idea where this "memory" actually came from. Probably something a dreamt or something.

Interesting!

I too have a vivid memory that is certain to be a false memory.

I remember watching England v Argentina and Maradonna‘s ‘hand of god’ being awarded as a goal.

I remember where I was sat in the living room (on the floor), I remember the exact furniture and telly we had at the time, I remember both my parents reaction as well as the two friends my parents had invited over.



The problem is - I wasn’t even born at the time.



My only logical explanation is that the memory is a combination of an England game during the following World Cup (when I was actually alive & kicking) with a replay or highlight of the Maradonna incident, probably beforehand as part of the build-up.

What fascinates me is that the memory is complete, and presents itself as equally real to any memory from my formative years. However, it’s completely false- an intricate patchwork of a minimum of two events blended together by my imagination.

 

[Anxala]

I think they may have taken the long break. because of school vacations maybe? I know jurors often try to get out of duty by saying they can't sit on jury while kids are out vacation. Sometimes judges here will promise them the courts will give them those days off as well for Christmas, Easter, etc.

I know, Katy, I was just being flippant, taking my impatience with the long break out on the poor jury.

 

[esther43]

"12:33pm

There was further paperwork the police took from Letby's address at the time of her arrest.
The defence say the paperwork was "nothing more extraordinary" that Letby being someone who scribbles a lot of work down, and keeps hold of it."

Lucy Letby trial recap: Prosecution finishes outlining case, defence gives statement

THE prosecution in the trial of Lucy Letby, accused of murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

That behaviour in itself seems random to me. You know... The Oh you know, I just pop home, make a cup of tea, squiggle down 'Twin resus' in my diary for no apparent reason because that's what I do when I get home. - sounds suspicious to me.
I wouldn't accept a later elaboration on this minimal information that seems to have been given at the point of arrest because if there was a specific reason, she should have said so. I wonder if she cooperated in all interviews or just the ones after her first arrest.

 

[marynnu]

I just saw that the judge sentencing a couple for the murder of their baby has exempted the jury from ever sitting again, it was so traumatic. I sincerely hope this happens for these jurors, whatever the outcome.