UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Nali87]

But she is not doing that anymore. She had not been trying to help those dying babies anymore for quite some time so I doubt that is what she was referring to. JMO


But she had filed a grievance and she had people actively trying to get her job back for her. And she was still employed by the hospital who had been standing by her for awhile.

Maybe she didn’t think they’d be successful, especially if she was feeling depressed. Maybe “I can’t do this anymore” means I can’t deal with this situation anymore. One note said: "I really can't do this any more, I just want life to be as it was,"

In one note she says she killed them, but one sentence read: “I killed them. I don’t know if I killed them. Maybe I did. Maybe this is down to me.” She also claims that they are dead because she was not a good enough nurse.

 

[katydid23]

This could be somebody just imagining that scenario. Somebody who analyses stuff through writing about it.

Has any evil killer actually said those words, I wonder? From what I've seen on documentaries, etc., killers generally deny what they did, or even if they confess, they never see themselves as evil.

There is a devil in me...I will go straight to hell; Killer nurse wrote 'confession', jury told.​

A HOSPITAL nurse accused of murdering three patients described himself as an "angel turned into a devil" in a letter found at his home, a trial was told yesterday.
Victorino Chua, 49, wrote his "bitter confession" the year before his alleged poisoning spree.
In it he warned he felt an "anger which will explode and they will be sorry", the jury heard.

"They thought I'm a nice person but there a devil in me. Not to mention it.

"Not nice + very embarrassing. To carry on with my work sometimes I'm taking med over the limit bit still very careful with my job don't want to loss my license as a nurse and this is my life."

The document was found in a kitchen drawer at Chua's family home in Stockport after his arrest in January 2012.

Chua, of Heaton Norris, denies murder, attempted poisoning and forging entries on prescription charts. The trial continues at Manchester crown court.

There is a devil in me...I will go straight to hell; Killer nurse wrote 'confession', jury told. - Free Online Library

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BTK , Dennis Rader, wrote notes confessing to his evil goings and sent them to newspaper reporters before he was finally caught.
Dylan Roof and Elliot Rodgers left horrid manifestos in which they ranted about their reasons for slaughtering others.
Brian Petito confessed to killing Gabby Petito, although he didn't call himself evil.

It sounds like the rantings of a person trying to work out what is happening, possibly under the influence of drink?

If I am trying to work out what is happening, after being accused of a horrible crime, I am not going to confess to the crime in my own handwriting and leave it in my handbag. That makes no sense, imo.

Who writes down on paper that they killed babies on purpose, when they are actually under investigation for doing so?

 

[katydid23]

Not in that context no. But the word by itself is neutral. It doesn’t refer to any social construct. For instance “right and wrong”.it simply means to inflict death upon Without attaching human emotion to it or thought.

But the context is there. The context is automatically there because she was referring to this long line of incidents. You cannot take the context of the killings away from the situation.

There is nothing neutral in the word 'killing' when referring to dead babies under her care. It just feels like a very tiny difference between using 'kill' or 'murder' when discussing the incidents. JMO

 

[katydid23]

She seemed to be quite sociable, though.

Yes and no. She texted a lot apparently. And took part in sociable events like salsa dancing and after work drinks with colleagues. But people can keep their 'masks' on during these kinds of events easier than if they are living with others, etc. JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

But the context is there. The context is automatically there because she was referring to this long line of incidents. You cannot take the context of the killings away from the situation.

There is nothing neutral in the word 'killing' when referring to dead babies under her care. It just feels like a very tiny difference between using 'kill' or 'murder' when discussing the incidents. JMO

Totally with you and understand. It might be a completely moot point tbh. It’s just that that word is used so much and always. It’s got my attention for some reason Or for no reason xd

 

[Giveusaclue]

They do look like she’s having a breakdown. What I find particularly peculiar is the need to fill the entire space, like does she get to the end of the page and then start filling in the blank spaces with short phrases? The one where she’s went back over it in red ink, like she’s marking it, highlighting who she loves, is bizarre. They almost look like the kind of writings you see in people with schizophrenia.

I say all this from the perspective of being a frantic scribbler. I scribble when I’m on the phone or having a discussion where I need to focus on the detail, listing key words, repeating words, circling, furiously underlining, repetitive doodles etc. Some of the pages in my notebook would look suspiciously like letby’s, minus the serious crime confessions. But never have I produced anything like the black and red note, it’s a real insight into her consciousness at that time. JMO.

Agreed. I always felt the notes were responses to a phone call/s as a fellow avid phone scribbler but I can also concur that mine have never looked like LL’s notes. They’re just more fluid and jaunty, if you like, not straight lines of text.

 

[Giveusaclue]

I shredded my teenage diaries for fear of anyone reading them.

Burned mine!

 

[katydid23]

Maybe she didn’t think they’d be successful, especially if she was feeling depressed. Maybe “I can’t do this anymore” means I can’t deal with this situation anymore. One note said: "I really can't do this any more, I just want life to be as it was,"

In one note she says she killed them, but one sentence read: “I killed them. I don’t know if I killed them. Maybe I did. Maybe this is down to me.” She also claims that they are dead because she was not a good enough nurse.

All true. Some of it is nebulous because there are mixed messages in her many notes. But when I see these notes, and I take into account the other evidence being brought forward, then these notes seem more suspicious.

When I look at the final 3 babies, and the highly suspicious circumstances-----LL returns to the unit after her vacation, and within hours a healthy baby boy suddenly collapses and dies, and then hours later his triplet brother collapses and dies unexpectedly, and the doctors ask for her to be removed from floor, they are denied and then Baby Q unexpectedly collapses....I have to read her words with these highly suspicious circumstances in mind.

How could she 'not know' if she killed them or not? If it was one case, and she wondered if she harmed the baby in resus or gave him the wrong meds, then it would be understandable. But 22 incidents of murder and attempted murder?

How could you not know if you killed 7 of them or not? Did she make 22 mistakes that ended in collapse for each incident?
Some by Air Embolism and some by insulin poisoning and others by gross overfeeding and puncturing internally?

Saying she was not a good enough nurse is a phony excuse, imo. She was so bad of a nurse that there were 22 near death incidents?

I cannot take the excuses seriously because I have already read many of her texts and they seemed to be setting up false explanations in many of therm as well. JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

Burned mine

lightweights. I had mine exorcised, put in a concrete Mould and fired into space.

eta.
yes it was that bad.

 

[TheCraig]

I agree. I said a few days back that if this has been her personality for years then the people closest to her, such as family and friends, would likely have known.

MOO, obviously.

According to this live feed at 2:52pm in one of the notes she writes that she is a problem for those that do know her so it’s possible that she’s revealed her true self to those closest to her in the past.
MOO

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Monday, April 17

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[Popcorn80]

This week I have been sorting for an upcoming house move. In a work bag under the stairs I found 4 handover sheets (now taken back to work and discarded in the confidential waste.)
It happens crazy busy shift they get thrown into a bag, 100’s of them not a chance.

 

[Anxala]

How about the ones that say 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'. I killed them on purpose...'

No. They still read to me as her reaction to what's being reported/said about her. The 'on purpose' in particular. ie. they're saying not only did I kill them but I did it on purpose.

In any case, I don't see any of the notes as evidence of guilt or how they can be used as such without professional evaluation and context, neither of which we have. Again, that's not to say she's not guilty, just that the notes imo are too ambiguous (and erratic) to interpret with any degree of certainty. LL is the only one who can throw light on them.

 

[marynnu]

Yes and no. She texted a lot apparently. And took part in sociable events like salsa dancing and after work drinks with colleagues. But people can keep their 'masks' on during these kinds of events easier than if they are living with others, etc. JMO

Aren't all those things what you class as sociable though? Not that it's remotely important whether she was or not!

 

[Tortoise]

No. They still read to me as her reaction to what's being reported/said about her. The 'on purpose' in particular. ie. they're saying not only did I kill them but I did it on purpose.

I would say the justifications written after the declaration shows that it's coming from her own thoughts, not others.

No one's described her as a horrible and evil person, or not good enough, and nor could they, before a guilty verdict, and at least not before she was arrested or even charged two years after that. She's been told it's being investigated and there is no evidence, is what has been reported. Not only that but it was the senior staff who wanted it investigated, not her nursing colleagues and they wouldn't be saying she was horrible and evil or not good enough. I don't believe from the evidence we've heard any of them would, including her nursing colleagues.

Those are her own justifications, IMO, and "horrible and evil" doesn't stem from not doing enough.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

July 2025

The story will still be raging in the media at that time.

 

[Tortoise]

A juror illness has meant the case has been adjourned until Thursday at the earliest.

The trial is not due to sit on Friday, April 21, Monday, April 24 or Wednesday, April 26.

Lucy Letby trial adjourned due to juror illness on April 19

THE trial of Lucy Letby, who denies the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of 10 others between June 2015 and June 2016, has been…

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yesterday's news

 

[DinerMite]

I'm back at Manchester Crown Court this morning for the trial of nurse Lucy Letby, we're first hearing from medical expert witness Dr Owen Arthurs - he is back in to give evidence on Child Q (he couldn't appear before Easter to do this)

Ms Letby is accused of attempting to murder Child Q on 25 June 2016 after allegedly murdering two triplets, Child O and P, on the previous two days. The 33-year-old denies all charges.

Manchester Crown Court has previously heard how Child Q, who was Ms Letby's final alleged victim, was 'stable' on the evening before his collapse. Jurors have heard that the infant deteriorated and needed breathing support shortly after 09:00 on 25 June.

The Crown say Ms Letby injected air and fluid into the boy's stomach via a nasogastric tube in an attempt to kill him.

Dr Arthurs was asked by Cheshire Police to review a number of radiographs for Child Q. He tells the court that on one of the radiographs, taken 20hours after the baby boy's collapse, he noticed an 'abnormality'

Dr Arthurs is talking the jury through the radiograph, he points out two areas in the bowel of Child Q - he says it could be a sign of pneumatosis, which is an early sign of necrotizing enterocolitis (a serious condition in newborns)

DAN

 

[DinerMite]

Jury are now being read summaries of Ms Letby's police interviews in relation to Child A. Cheshire Police detective Danielle Stonier is reading Ms Letby's responses, while prosecutor Philip Astbury is reading the questions asked

In that interview, Ms Letby was told about the expert opinion of Dr Dewi Evans that Child A had been injected with air - her response was 'I did not deliberately give him any air'

She was told about the expert opinion of Dr Owen Arthurs, who noticed air on radiographs of Child A - she was asked if she could explain how the air got there, she said 'no I can’t explain how that air got there'

We're now moving onto Ms Letby's interview in relation to Child A's twin sister, Child B. The Crown say Ms Letby attempted to murder the infant in June 2015

DAN

 

[DinerMite]

Ms Letby was asked in her interview her recollections of Child B, she recalled seeing the baby girl with a 'sort of purply red rash' and looking mottled. She didn't recall in that interview what she did after seeing the rash (she wasn't Child B's designated nurse)

DAN

 

[DinerMite]

Asked if she had an explanation for Child B's collapse she said 'No, there's no explanation' She added: 'I didn’t do anything deliberately to (Child B) to harm her' Asked if she was responsible for attempted murder, she said 'no'

We're now onto the summary of the interview in relation to Child C - a premature baby boy, who weighted just 800grams on birth in early June 2015. Ms Letby is said to have caused baby's death by inserting air into the boy's stomach via a nasogastric tube.

DAN