UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Dotta]

The funny thing is, detective is asking her about the 4 babies in June. He asks:

"Did any of the staff sort of question the hospital or colleagues as to where the spike was coming from?" Letby replied: "Not that I'm aware of."

The detective said: "Did you yourself?"

"No," replied Letby.

The detective went on: "You dealt with all those (babies) didn't you? What did you put that down to, bad luck?"

"Yes," Letby replied.



Yet we know that people, including LL DID question the spike:

The jury was told that, later that month, another baby, Child D, died on the unit.

On 30 June, Letby and a colleague exchanged messages about the condition of Child B.

Her colleague said: “There’s something odd about that night and the other three that went so suddenly.” Letby replied: “What do you mean?”

She added: “Well [Child C] was tiny obviously compromised in utero, [Child D] septic. It’s [Child A] I can’t get my head around.”

Nurse Lucy Letby told police it was 'bad luck' that three babies died in two weeks while she was on duty | LBC

Lucy Letby claimed it was just "bad luck" that three babies died in the space of a fortnight at the hospital where she was on duty as a nurse.

www.lbc.co.uk

The officer must have stayed poker faced asking this question haha

He knew perfectly well about the texts with wild hypotheses.

Oh well, the hazards of the job

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

Dr Choc is singlehandedly ^^^clearing out all of the explanations the defense is now trying to set forth.

Dr Choc is absolutely setting forth exactly WHY these collapses were making no sense. He is saying that Nurse Letby is a superior nurse, with excellent skills and meticulous documentation and appropriate reactions. He has no doubts that she is a highly qualified nurse.

How is Meyers going to respond to this?

RSBM

"How is Myers going to respond to this?"

Bad luck?

 

[ColourPurple]

The officer must have stayed poker faced asking this question haha

He knew perfectly well about the texts with wild hypotheses.

Oh well, the hazards of the job

JMO

I was trying to work out if they would have had that text info even before her first arrest. Some of the interview summaries we've heard today, mention the text exchanges but presumably she still had her phone up until the first arrest. So were the ones that mentioned the text exchanges from the later interviews?

 

[Tortoise]

I was trying to work out if they would have had that text info even before her first arrest. Some of the interview summaries we've heard today, mention the text exchanges but presumably she still had her phone up until the first arrest. So were the ones that mentioned the text exchanges from the later interviews?

yes, I haven't been able to work out if the interview summaries are a combination of all her arrest interviews.

 

[Dotta]

I was trying to work out if they would have had that text info even before her first arrest. Some of the interview summaries we've heard today, mention the text exchanges but presumably she still had her phone up until the first arrest. So were the ones that mentioned the text exchanges from the later interviews?

I don't think Police do interviews without previous research of the suspect.

But who am I to be sure of this?
I have never been a suspect!

It was just MO.

 

[ColourPurple]

I don't think Police do interviews without previous research of the suspect.

But who am I to be sure of this?
I have never been a suspect!

It was just MO.

I'm too scared to google "Can police access your phone before you've been arrested" now. Just in case I am ever arrested in the future and that google search makes me look guilty, even though I'd be perfectly innocent

 

[Dotta]

I'm too scared to google "Can police access your phone before you've been arrested" now. Just in case I am ever arrested in the future and that google search makes me look guilty, even though I'd be perfectly innocent

Well
I guess Police don't need your actual phone to check WhatsApp messages.
Maybe they can directly communicate with the provider?

Wild guess on my part.
Im not going to google it either

 

[gerbil]

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The police would need a warrant.

 

[ColourPurple]

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The police would need a warrant.

Thank you for taking one for the team lol.

 

[gerbil]

You're welcome! The link came up when I googled whether uk police can access whatsapp (which I don't use).

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

Just my own opinion, but I find this making things much too personal & completely OTT.

""Because I think when you are going to the same incubator space and there is a different baby there you know you let the one you lost go. Until you go into that space, you see that baby until another baby goes in there."

Lucy Letby told colleague she was 'upset and frustrated', baby murder trial jury told

Nurse Lucy Letby agreed she was "upset and frustrated" six minutes before the collapse of a baby boy she allegedly murdered, her trial has heard.

www.shropshirestar.com

I completely agree. It is a terrible thing when a baby dies, but the grief belongs to the family. It strikes me as very immature and a craving for attention to personalize the loss in this way. If you're having problems processing an event like a baby's unexpected death, you take that out of the unit and get some counseling through EAP. There's no shame in needing to do that. The babies in the unit are not therapeutic objects for the healthcare workers. Acting as if they are is gross.

That's just my opinon.

 

[Marantz4250b]

In the UK we aren't at all accustomed to seeing suspect interviews being filmed visually. It's usual for them to be audio recordings only (obviously it's different in the case of vulnerable victims and witnesses) So for me, no, I definitely wouldn't be expecting to see anyone's demeanour in interviews. I mean, at work I listen to lots and lots of digital police interviews, and read the transcripts too. And basically they only serve as evidence of what was asked and what was answered. Plus whether they gave conflicting answers, and therefore there's a 'but you said.....' further line of questioning, etc. You can always tell whether the suspect has been nervous, or stroppy, or whether there is a lot of input from their solicitor, and so on. It's really what happens in court that matters.
The US filmed interviews are just wild!!

Well, regardless, I think it exceptionally unlikely that these weren't on video - and if she's convicted I'm sure we'll see her interview videos.

But, even if they weren't, then why not play the audio tapes? They at least give some jury insight as to the demeanor of the relevant parties?

A "role playing" demonstration by the prosecution just seems so bizarre and unnecessary. Not to mention potentially prefljudicial!

 

[bobbymkii]

Well, regardless, I think it exceptionally unlikely that these weren't on video - and if she's convicted I'm sure we'll see her interview videos.

But, even if they weren't, then why not play the audio tapes? They at least give some jury insight as to the demeanor of the relevant parties?

A "role playing" demonstration by the prosecution just seems so bizarre and unnecessary. Not to mention potentially prefljudicial!

I was about to ask this forum about this exact issue. Thank you for beating me to it, frankly.
I'm 100% with you on this.
I bet when the jury get sent out to deliberate the first thing they do when they come back into the courtroom is to ask the judge to see the actual interview footage!

 

[esther43]

yes, I haven't been able to work out if the interview summaries are a combination of all her arrest interviews.

yes, I haven't been able to work out if the interview summaries are a combination of all her arrest interviews.

I don't think Police do interviews without previous research of the suspect.

But who am I to be sure of this?
I have never been a suspect!

Well, regardless, I think it exceptionally unlikely that these weren't on video - and if she's convicted I'm sure we'll see her interview videos.

But, even if they weren't, then why not play the audio tapes? They at least give some jury insight as to the demeanor of the relevant parties?

A "role playing" demonstration by the prosecution just seems so bizarre and unnecessary. Not to mention potentially prefljudicial!

After what we have heard (or not heard) so far, surely she is planning to take the stand? Would be a lame effort else.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I find them kind of cold hearted answers in that they don't put the babies first. She is thinking only about herself here.

She lost several babies, some right after another, and rather than take a break and try to figure out HOW and WHY, she wants to suddenly be back in charge of the next poorly babies, so she can feel better by seeing a live baby.

The problem is, there were dozens more collapses afterwards. So her method of healing herself did not seem to work.

Well, yes, so would I, were I being interviewed on suspicion of murder, quite frankly!

In what world would anyone put anyone or anything "first" above themselves if they were innocent?

 

[Marantz4250b]

She could have given potential explanations like an infection or virus or issue with faulty equipment, etc...

But what if you didn't think these were possibilities?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't agree. It's not her job to do speculate. And for me, it could look a bit like she's trying to deflect.

Indeed. If you don't know then you don't know and you have to be honest about that. You don't just randomly throw speculative answers out there.

 

[ColourPurple]

I completely agree. It is a terrible thing when a baby dies, but the grief belongs to the family. It strikes me as very immature and a craving for attention to personalize the loss in this way. If you're having problems processing an event like a baby's unexpected death, you take that out of the unit and get some counseling through EAP. There's no shame in needing to do that. The babies in the unit are not therapeutic objects for the healthcare workers. Acting as if they are is gross.

That's just my opinon.

Talking about personalising the loss, reminds me of her birthday message allegedly to one of the babies on the note. Apparently one of the triplets?

The "I don't know if anyone will think of you today or any day but I will"

Sorry but WTAF?? Regardless of whether she's innocent or guilty, did she really think that the devastated grieving parents would not think of their lost baby every day for the rest of their lives, and that the anniversary of their birthday would not be even more heartbreaking for them? Is she really that detached from reality and focused on herself that she thought she'd be the only one to think of them on their birthday?

That her grief for a baby that she looked after for a shift or two at most, trumped the grief of their mother, who carried them for months, felt their every movement and kick inside her, made plans for them, picked names for them, gave birth to them?

And it reminded me so much of the sympathy card LL sent to baby I's mother. The last part of which I always thought sounded more like it was addressed to Baby I than her grieving parents "Thinking of you today and always. Sorry I cannot be there to say goodbye."

IMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

yes, I haven't been able to work out if the interview summaries are a combination of all her arrest interviews.

I think it's just crap reporting. The interview dates are of supreme importance so I think that they just aren't being reported accurately enough. I cannot believe that the prosecution are just randomly throwing together quotes from interviews potentially a couple or more years apart.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Well
I guess Police don't need your actual phone to check WhatsApp messages.
Maybe they can directly communicate with the provider?

Wild guess on my part.
Im not going to google it either

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. The messages cannot be read between sender and sendee.