UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Dotta]

Is the behaviour after the attacks consistent though?

If guilty...

I somehow see this issue as if collapse/death was a culminating moment of getting rid of demands of compulsion.

Then (allegedly) the perp could engage oneself into "normal activities" of life (dancing), being happy and carefree
UNTIL the next uncontrollable compulsive attack.

But this is only my opinion.

 

[esther43]

If guilty...

I somehow see this issue as if collapse/death was a culminating moment of getting rid of demands of compulsion.

Then (allegedly) the perp could engage oneself into "normal activities" of life (dancing), being happy and carefree
UNTIL the next uncontrollable compulsive attack.

But this is only my opinion.

I get what you are saying that could have been a response to managing a pressure of sorts.
One of the things I've noticed is a correlation between allocations and LL's behaviour. As though allocations could have been a potential stressor.

 

[Dotta]

I get what you are saying that could have been a response to managing a pressure of sorts.
One of the things I've noticed is a correlation between allocations and LL's behaviour. As though allocations could have been a potential stressor.

Yes.
Or maybe these (alleged) compulsions were not understood by the perp (some untreated traumas, maybe childhood ones?).
The power of subconsciousness.

In this context the notes make sense.
Bewilderment, despair, hating one's life.
"Nobody could help/understand" because the perp oneself couldn't understand what was happening.

Sometimes hypnosis therapies help to find the cause/s by recovering suppressed memories - although such therapies are considered controversial.

JMO

 

[DinerMite]

I've had so many theories throughout, the more evidence that comes out the more the theory changes but its so difficult (from what we've seen) to land on a specific one. Maybe, if guilty, it is just simply a case of she doesn't care and wants to do it, no complex MO.

 

[notsure]

I've had so many theories throughout, the more evidence that comes out the more the theory changes but its so difficult (from what we've seen) to land on a specific one. Maybe, if guilty, it is just simply a case of she doesn't care and wants to do it, no complex MO.

This is the thing - we try to make sense of it based on the evidence we've been presented with, which is only part of the whole reality.

 

[Dotta]

I've had so many theories throughout, the more evidence that comes out the more the theory changes but its so difficult (from what we've seen) to land on a specific one. Maybe, if guilty, it is just simply a case of she doesn't care and wants to do it, no complex MO.

I hear you

I don't think we will ever know.

If guilty of course.

JMO

 

[Jazmania]

If guilty...

I somehow see this issue as if collapse/death was a culminating moment of getting rid of demands of compulsion.

Then (allegedly) the perp could engage oneself into "normal activities" of life (dancing), being happy and carefree
UNTIL the next uncontrollable compulsive attack.

But this is only my opinion.

Yes and certain things could act as triggers for the compulsion. But what the main triggers are isn't obvious. 5 of the 7 deaths occur in either June 2015 or June 2016. I wonder, if guilty, why this is. Did she take a family holiday both years in this month?

 

[Tortoise]

Please help me Please help me HELP ME

May as well just be on my own because n[o]

one can or wants to help me

I can’t do it any more, I can’t live like

this. No one will ever understand or

appreciate what its like

Annoyed that Kathryn is away and

didn’t tell me. That made everything

harder/worse not knowing

she doesn’t give a toss otherwise she

would have told me or checked in like

she usually does especially […] [me or one]

going away. tell everyone I’m better

off on my own no expectations then

you don’t get hurt [space] I just wished

someone to help me [^BASTARDS] No one understands

 

[Sweeper2000]

Or in other words what a Young child would say to the parents, “you don’t love me, I’m going to run away forever“. very childish tbh. Apart from its childishness I have no idea what to make of it.

curious, that’s the first insult I’ve heard from her and it’s so mild especially for the situation. That’s super soft IMO

how on earth is it that someone who comes across so mild, so soft and tender could be responsible for what is alleged?
excuse the word tender but I think it’s fitting. If I had dealings with someone like her I’d treat her like very fragile goods. More hugs and snugs than thrills and kills.

 

[DinerMite]

Minne
Smudge
Whiskey
Tiny Boy
Bergerac
Tigger

It's an odd collection of words really

 

[Parker Knoll]

I think the police interviews without there full transcript are very misleading tbh. Don’t forget that the media covering this case are using the controversial “ headlines “ for click bait and revenue so for instance, Letby could of said that she wasn’t looking for pictures of dead babies when asked why she was checking Facebook completely unprompted OR the interviewing officer could of asked her if she was checking Facebook profiles looking for dead babies - letby replies with the same answer two different ways.
She’s had the same solicitor since she was first arrested ( local Chester firm who are not particularly renowned for their criminal work ) not some hot shot Manchester or London law firm and her solicitor would of been with her throughout all the police interviews, he could of halted the interviews any time he wanted within reason and he of course will of been advising her throughout and she still ploughed on.
Interviewing suspects is a real skill, they literally run you in circles, hence her contradictory answers.
She enjoys the attention one hundred percent however horrific the chain of events to get her in that interview room were and I also think she is “ enjoying “ the trial as macabre as that sounds. All eyes on Letby.
My humble late night musings obviously !

 

[ColourPurple]

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Please help me Please help me HELP ME

May as well just be on my own because n[o]

one can or wants to help me

I can’t do it any more, I can’t live like

this. No one will ever understand or

appreciate what its like

Annoyed that Kathryn is away and

didn’t tell me. That made everything

harder/worse not knowing

she doesn’t give a toss otherwise she

would have told me or checked in like

she usually does especially […] [me or one]

going away. tell everyone I’m better

off on my own no expectations then

you don’t get hurt [space] I just wished

someone to help me [^BASTARDS] No one understands

Well done! I wouldn't have had a clue where to start with that one!


Was Kathryn the OH person? She sounds very dependent on her.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that she hadn't told her parents anything at all about her being moved to clerical.

 

[ColourPurple]

Minne
Smudge
Whiskey
Tiny Boy
Bergerac
Tigger

It's an odd collection of words really

Thye do sound like pet names but I hope they've explained <modsnip> they are to the jury, even if they haven't explained to the public.

 

[ColourPurple]

I think the police interviews without there full transcript are very misleading tbh. Don’t forget that the media covering this case are using the controversial “ headlines “ for click bait and revenue so for instance, Letby could of said that she wasn’t looking for pictures of dead babies when asked why she was checking Facebook completely unprompted OR the interviewing officer could of asked her if she was checking Facebook profiles looking for dead babies - letby replies with the same answer two different ways.
She’s had the same solicitor since she was first arrested ( local Chester firm who are not particularly renowned for their criminal work ) not some hot shot Manchester or London law firm and her solicitor would of been with her throughout all the police interviews, he could of halted the interviews any time he wanted within reason and he of course will of been advising her throughout and she still ploughed on.
Interviewing suspects is a real skill, they literally run you in circles, hence her contradictory answers.
She enjoys the attention one hundred percent however horrific the chain of events to get her in that interview room were and I also think she is “ enjoying “ the trial as macabre as that sounds. All eyes on Letby.
My humble late night musings obviously !

I agree that if guilty, she appears to have enjoyed attacking the babies,enjoyed reliving it by talking about their deaths with the doc, and so is probably enjoying reliving it all again through the trial. Probbaly enjoying seeing everybody trying to work out exactly what she did too, but obviously won't be enjoying the fact that she could be facing a whole life sentence if found guilty.

ALL IMO if guilty etc.

 

[Tortoise]

Well done! I wouldn't have had a clue where to start with that one!


Was Kathryn the OH person? She sounds very dependent on her.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that she hadn't told her parents anything at all about her being moved to clerical.

Yes I believe it could be Kathryn de Beger in OH

 

[ColourPurple]

Or in other words what a Young child would say to the parents, “you don’t love me, I’m going to run away forever“. very childish tbh. Apart from its childishness I have no idea what to make of it.

curious, that’s the first insult I’ve heard from her and it’s so mild especially for the situation. That’s super soft IMO

how on earth is it that someone who comes across so mild, so soft and tender could be responsible for what is alleged?
excuse the word tender but I think it’s fitting. If I had dealings with someone like her I’d treat her like very fragile goods. More hugs and snugs than thrills and kills.

Sorry but I don't think soft or tender are appropriate words to describe her at all. And since when is b@stards a super soft insult? If by "fragile goods" you mean mentally unhinged and could deteriorate at any given moment, then yes I'd agree with that description!

All IMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

Sorry but I don't think soft or tender are appropriate words to describe her at all. And since when is b@stards a super soft insult? If by "fragile goods" you mean mentally unhinged and could deteriorate at any given moment, then yes I'd agree with that description!

All IMO

No - me neither.
Very odd comment.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Sorry but I don't think soft or tender are appropriate words to describe her at all. And since when is b@stards a super soft insult? If by "fragile goods" you mean mentally unhinged and could deteriorate at any given moment, then yes I'd agree with that description!

All IMO

Nothing to be sorry about. it’s just my opinion obviously but I I haven’t seen anything even approaching an extreme from her with one exception. Yeh fair bit of weirdness though. The exception seemingly being a preference for being in room 1 but that’s debatable.
some comments and context for examples. She says “rubbish” as opposed to her fellow nurses use of the s word. Her saying the comments made about her role were “hurtful“ rather than her fellow nurses more vulgar “bitchiness” and that was in relation to a publicly insulting comment, her use of the b word isn’t even preceded by a emphasising word like f…ing. I’m surprised she’s got a sharp tooth at all tbh.

lol I don’t think I meant the word “tender“ I think I was looking for “tame”. Really really does seem tame to me and her fello workmates. “Conscientious“, “professional“, “not nice lucy”, teddy bear on the bed, “help me”, feels abandoned, likes pink and that note to me is plain childlike. Leave sparkles wherever you go lol.

Dotta might be right though, is she a really big wolf, with really big sharp teeth, and a huge appetite and is dressed like a sheep?

 

[Sundial]

Maybe she wanted to be treated like a baby and was jealous of the attention those babies were getting. Can't believe I just wrote that, but as we're hypothesising...

Why not; some of her behaviour is very child-like.
Moo

 

[Sundial]

Minne
Smudge
Whiskey
Tiny Boy
Bergerac
Tigger

It's an odd collection of words really

I’ve seen that “minne” a few times on one of the notes. Is it Minne or mina (her colleague) I wonder? That conversation minna thanking her for being there for her, for what I wonder? That conversation was obvs bought up in evidence for a reason.
Moo