UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[Sundial]

I’ll give an example of how feelings rarely meet facts at all in my own experience.

iwas working at a community centre that had playgroup for toddlers. I was carrying equipment through the hall and this little boy turned around and ran straight into the equipment, huge bump on his head the poor little thing. I felt guilty as hell, so bad like I couldn’t get this sin off my hands. In reality there wasn’t much I could do. He. Turned around so quickly and ran he must not have seen me. Still feel bad about it to this day. apologised to his mum and she said do you know how often kids hurt themselves I said no. She said “everyday don’t worry”. Still did not stop me feeling bad.

I’m glad he was ok, but the thing is this is somewhat quite (very) different.

You cannot take one part of the evidence and not take into consideration the rest of what we have heard. Her feelings are just a small part to the wider picture. I bet you didn’t take 250 odd papers relating to the children in your care home with you? It’s really looking very bleak IMO and she has incriminated herself with the shredder business and everything else we have so far heard.
Moo

 

[JosieJo]

12:51pm

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, rises to ask a couple of questions.
He asks if Letby made mistakes.
Ms Powell said Letby made mistakes, as everyone did, but was "good at reporting mistakes", and would report mistakes that other nurse practitioners or medical staff had made, regardless of seniority.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

12:54pm

Mr Johnson asks what was said in the review meeting.
Ms Powell said that Letby would have to come off the unit, but could not recall what else was said.
Mr Johnson asks what was being suggested in that meeting.
"That she was the common [element] in all of the deaths".

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

12:55pm

The judge asks Mr Johnson if the prosecution case will end today.
Mr Johnson replies that is the case.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Legal]

12:51pm

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, rises to ask a couple of questions.
He asks if Letby made mistakes.
Ms Powell said Letby made mistakes, as everyone did, but was "good at reporting mistakes", and would report mistakes that other nurse practitioners or medical staff had made, regardless of seniority.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Is this a dig or praise that she would report other people's mistakes? I feel it could be read both ways - either she was a diligent nurse or alternatively she was someone who was quick to 'grass' up others, including those more senior...

 

[Sundial]

12:51pm

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, rises to ask a couple of questions.
He asks if Letby made mistakes.
Ms Powell said Letby made mistakes, as everyone did, but was "good at reporting mistakes", and would report mistakes that other nurse practitioners or medical staff had made, regardless of seniority.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Interesting, so she was good at highlighting/reporting her mistakes. Police interview and competencies and skills etc is she second guessing herself or was this a deliberate act of harm?

She states in interview she “didn’t do anything deliberately to harm xyz”
It could be her answer to the way the question was put/poor reporting but it does make you wonder.

What an absolute mess. Really feel for all involved in this nightmare.
JMO

 

[Nali87]

What a trial.

 

[WaxLyrical]

After reading the rest of the info about the police interviews, I am even more convinced she’ll take the stand. The type of person letby is, she is going to feel compelled to clarify some of this. JMO.

 

[Legal]

I’ll give an example of how feelings rarely meet facts at all in my own experience.

iwas working at a community centre that had playgroup for toddlers. I was carrying equipment through the hall and this little boy turned around and ran straight into the equipment, huge bump on his head the poor little thing. I felt guilty as hell, so bad like I couldn’t get this sin off my hands. In reality there wasn’t much I could do. He. Turned around so quickly and ran he must not have seen me. Still feel bad about it to this day. apologised to his mum and she said do you know how often kids hurt themselves I said no. She said “everyday don’t worry”. Still did not stop me feeling bad.

I understand your point, and not having a go at you personally, but I would totally feel guilty too! However, I wouldn't think I was evil, just an idiot or clumsy or careless. It was the use of the word evil which I thought was an interesting choice. JMO and if guilty of course

 

[Eloise]

Is this a dig or praise that she would report other people's mistakes? I feel it could be read both ways - either she was a diligent nurse or alternatively she was someone who was quick to 'grass' up others, including those more senior...

Yeah, I felt the same.
Also pointing out her competence means that if, as she admits, LL was the common element in all the deaths, that it wasn't incompetence, wasn't a lack of nursing ability, etc. It sounded like praise but it wasn't really, I don't think

 

[Jazmania]

begs the question of why keep them if guilty.

Perhaps she kept them so she could look over them in her down time and use them to decide which babies to target. She could use them to find babies that had complications so their collapse wouldn't be so suspicious. She could use their clinical information to decide in what manner to attack them, i.e making a baby with haemophilia bleed, or giving a baby with unhealthy glucose levels a huge dose of insulin etc.

Are you saying that the fact she kept them actually indicates her innocence?

 

[Sundial]

Perhaps she kept them so she could look over them in her down time and use them to decide which babies to target. She could use them to find babies that had complications so their collapse wouldn't be so suspicious. She could use their clinical information to decide in what manner to attack them, i.e making a baby with haemophilia bleed, or giving a baby with unhealthy glucose levels a huge dose of insulin etc.

Are you saying that the fact she kept them actually indicates her innocence?

Or even to stalk the families on social media even after their deaths, special dates/anniversaries.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m glad he was ok, but the thing is this is somewhat quite (very) different.

You cannot take one part of the evidence and not take into consideration the rest of what we have heard. Her feelings are just a small part to the wider picture. I bet you didn’t take 250 odd papers relating to the children in your care home with you? It’s really looking very bleak IMO and she has incriminated herself with the shredder business and everything else we have so far heard.
Moo

I agree. The only thing I took home after that job was allot of stress. I do leave work at work.

 

[DinerMite]

Is that it for today then?

 

[Sweeper2000]

I understand your point, and not having a go at you personally, but I would totally feel guilty too! However, I wouldn't think I was evil, just an idiot or clumsy or careless. It was the use of the word evil which I thought was an interesting choice. JMO and if guilty of course

I agree that word is unusual. I kind of thought the error I made or didn’t make lol was human error not evil but I felt that way for sure.

 

[JosieJo]

Quite. I suppose she just has to tell the truth! I've always felt LL was perfectly competent and was obviously a good person to have around in a crisis. Problem is, why were there crises in the first place?

Exactly I agree ..but it's the defence asking her

 

[JosieJo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651552925297016832

 

[JosieJo]

2:27pm

The trial will resume shortly following an extended lunch break.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

2:32pm

Members of the jury have now returned to the courtroom, and the trial is resuming.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

2:34pm

The prosecution is now presenting some more 'agreed facts', that is evidence agreed by both the prosecution and defence.
Philip Astbury, prosecuting, says this is in addition to agreed facts presented before.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk