UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[Dotta]

At the start of the trial, when talking about babies A and B the prosecution said:

""We say that there is no plausible alternative to an air injection [air embolus]. The fact that it happened in 2 cases just over 24 hours apart shows that these were no accidents.

"Lucy Letby was the only person present [with Child A] at the time he collapsed...and was in the room when the same happened to [Child B].

We also say that you are entitled to look at the evidence of what happened to [Child A and B] in the context of one, what Lucy Letby did to other children and two, most starkly, her having poisoned [two other children] with insulin."



As the judge didn't jump up and correct the prosecution, I'm assuming that it's correct

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

THE trial of former Countess of Chester Hospital nurse Lucy Letby, who is accused of multiple baby murders, is due to finalise its jury and hear…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Thanks.
So I guess I have my answer

 

[Dotta]

Yeah I can't see the CPS having a quiet word with People.com to tip them off, but I so hope it's true!

But can she say anything else than what she did during Police interviews?

I think detectives covered everything with her.

Can she change her answers now?

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I perceived a lot of the texts as attempts by LL to stimulate a particular action from the recipients.

I'm a total fence-sitter on this case but I'm starting to sway. So much of what we've heard falls into the territory of seriously narcissistic supply seeking. Provocation that forces one to engage (or so they believe) is yet another key tool of a manipulative attention seeking person. It does make one wonder quite how far LL might go... JMO MOO

 

[ColourPurple]

But can she say anything else than what she did during Police interviews?

I think detectives covered everything with her.

Can she change her answers now?

JMO

She's already contradicted herself in police interviews. I hope they wheel on the shredder!

Wasn't it reported that she's been taking notes, throughout the trial? I'm guessing she'll have heard some things when other people took the stand, that she wasn't aware of before, and could try to change her story or answers to fit that new info.

 

[Dotta]

I'm guessing she'll have heard some things when other people took the stand, that she wasn't aware of before, and could try to change her story or answers to fit that new info.

I think changing her tune now might be detrimental for her in the eyes of the Jury.

 

[marynnu]

She's already condradicted herself in police interviews. I hope they wheel on the shredder!

Wasn't it reported that she's been taking notes, throughout the trial? I'm guessing she'll have heard some things when other people took the stand, that she wasn't aware of before, and could try to change her story or answers to fit that new info.

Is the shredder allowed to remain anonymous?

 

[esther43]

Is the shredder allowed to remain anonymous?

Well he has the right to shred nothing but anything he does shred may be taken down and used in evidence...

 

[ColourPurple]

I think changing her tune now might be detrimental for her in the eyes of the Jury.

True but they can't really stop her doing it.

I'm thinking about when the nurse added new info whereby she said that the doctors had apologised re Baby G's monitor not being switched on. Myers then said something like and did LL not then encourage you to report that/make a complaint. The nurse said she didn't remember LL encouraging her to at all, and that she'd reported it off her own back.

Myer's info about LL encouraging the nurse to report it can only have come from LL in response to hearing the new info from the nurse. She may try doing something like that about other details she's heard people mention for the first time during the trial. IMO

ETA from what we heard about how LL would often report people's mistakes at work, I'm actually surprised that she didn't report the doctors herself it they really did leave the monitor switched off!

 

[Dotta]

True but they can't really stop her doing it.

I'm thinking about when the nurse added new info whereby she said that the doctors had apologised re Baby G's monitor not being switched on. Myers then said something like and did LL not then encourage you to report that/make a complaint. The nurse said she didn't remember LL encouraging her to at all, and that she'd reported it off her own back.

Myer's info about LL encouraging the nurse to report it can only have come from LL in response to hearing the new info from the nurse. She may try doing something like that about other details she's heard people mention for the first time during the trial. IMO

True.
It is her right after all to comment as new info is coming into light.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I agree. The intense way they spoke about and reminisced about each resuscitation was kind of over the top. They spoke glowingly about each other and how well they got on together and wouldn't want anyone else to be there for each other because of how perfectly they work together, etc etc...

Am I just imagining this, but that time that Dr Choc had just helped LL when one of the babies collapsed, and after the baby stabilised, Dr Choc and a female doctor were discussing the case and they decided to go get tea in the cafeteria.

Within minutes, before they even got their tea, they were called back because the baby coded once again. Did LL maybe, allegedly, instigate that emergency because he was walking off with the female doctor and LL was miffed?

This reminds me of that psychopath conundrum / test that goes something like:

Q: A woman who was attending the funeral of her mother met the man of her dreams, a family friend, at the service. A month later she murdered her sister. Why?

A: To see the man of her dreams again at her sister's funeral.

(this conundrum does not take into account that she probably would have been in prison)

JMO MOO

 

[Dotta]

Is the shredder allowed to remain anonymous?

The poor thing was standing in the "naughty corner" in her room.

 

[ColourPurple]

True.
It is her right after all to comment as new info is coming into light.

But if she thinks it would be a case of her just standing up and reading out her observations and thoughts on other people's evidence, she's gonna be in for a nasty shock

If she really does take the stand obviously.

 

[Dotta]

But if she thinks it would be a case of her just standing up and reading out her observations and thoughts on other people's evidence, she's gonna be in for a nasty shock

If she really does take the stand obviously.

Oh dear...

 

[marynnu]

True but they can't really stop her doing it.

I'm thinking about when the nurse added new info whereby she said that the doctors had apologised re Baby G's monitor not being switched on. Myers then said something like and did LL not then encourage you to report that/make a complaint. The nurse said she didn't remember LL encouraging her to at all, and that she'd reported it off her own back.

Myer's info about LL encouraging the nurse to report it can only have come from LL in response to hearing the new info from the nurse. She may try doing something like that about other details she's heard people mention for the first time during the trial. IMO

ETA from what we heard about how LL would often report people's mistakes at work, I'm actually surprised that she didn't report the doctors herself it they really did leave the monitor switched off!

That's a very good point. I was never big on reporting every minor thing, but even I would have reported a baby deteriorating behind a screen when the monitor was switched off.

 

[Dotta]

That's a very good point. I was never big on reporting every minor thing, but even I would have reported a baby deteriorating behind a screen when the monitor was switched off.

How strange that equipment in this unit either didn't sound or was turned off

 

[esther43]

Midnight

Oh dear...

I think she will take the stand. Mainly because of the way they've laid out the trial to cover two long days. The fact the jury are not required in between and obviously, inference risk to LL if she doesn't.
As it currently stands, I'd say with out her going in the doc, there's virtually zero chance she'll walk free. The defence case with be a broken house of falling cards with nothing to bode it together.

 

[notsure]

One thing that struck me about the police interviews was that LL's responses to the questions were pretty much exactly what posters here had imagined they might be. No surprises really, and nothing particularly incriminating. I was kind of expecting something a bit shocking that would make it easier to decide on whether she's guilty or innocent.

 

[Dotta]

One thing that struck me about the police interviews was that LL's responses to the questions were pretty much exactly what posters here had imagined they might be. No surprises really, and nothing particularly incriminating. I was kind of expecting something a bit shocking that would make it easier to decide on whether she's guilty or innocent.

To me her responses seemed pretty evasive.

JMO

 

[esther43]

One thing that struck me about the police interviews was that LL's responses to the questions were pretty much exactly what posters here had imagined they might be. No surprises really, and nothing particularly incriminating. I was kind of expecting something a bit shocking that would make it easier to decide on whether she's guilty or innocent.

I thought it was all going well for LL up until the the point she said she only took the odd handover sheet home and after she tried to explain

To me her responses seemed pretty evasive.

JMO

And she minimised the collation of handover notes..

 

[esther43]

I thought it was all going well for LL up until the the point she said she only took the odd handover sheet home and after she tried to explain
And she minimised the collation of handover notes..

Her explanation of 'i killed them because I'm not good enough' was particularly shoddy, given that it did not even include the whole sentence.