UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #19

[WaxLyrical]

3:38pm

Letby says she did not know how many handover notes she had kept at her home. She says they were not all in one place.
She said they would stay in the pocket of her uniform, where it would be on shift, and she would not dispose of it prior to leaving.
"It would just get put somewhere"
"Anywhere in particular?" "No."
The number of handover sheets totalled 257.
Mr Myers: "Did you ever think to yourself, blimey, I have got a lot of handover sheets, I had better get rid of them?"
Letby: "No."
Letby says the notes had no purpose at home and she did not think of them.
Mr Myers says a shredder was found at Letby's home. Letby had previously told police in interview she did not have a shredder. Asked about this, Letby says it was an "oversight", and the shredder had come into her possession quite recently.

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Hmm, so she did have a shredder, but said in police interview she didn’t. LL has now said it was an oversight and the shredder had come into her possession recently? Some of the handover sheets were found in the shredder box, so casts doubt over how recent it came into her possession IMO. Again, I find this difficult to get my head around IMO.

The shredder’s back!

Seems quite clear she did lie to police about it. I find it difficult to see how you’d forget you have a shredder in your spare room that you use to shred your bank statements. JMO.

 

[JamesMcGillEsquire]

3:42pm

A photo of a Morrisons bag is shown to the court. It was recovered from Letby's home. It was Letby's 'work bag'.
An 'Ibiza bag' replaced the Morrisons bag for Letby. It was used for taking her uniform to work, her lunchbox, work documents and shoes.
The Morrisons bag had 31 handover notes, 17 relating to babies in the indictment.
Letby says she did not know when, how they came to be in her bag. She says they came in "by mistake" as part of her general pattern of behaviour.

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So this suggests she did take her uniform into work and get changed in her workplace? Handover sheets found in her work bag, which also contained her uniform, lunchbox etc. You’d think she’d notice the handover sheets when emptying out her uniform, lunch box etc at home at the end of shifts…

Again casts doubt over her accidentally taking the handover sheets home for me. Again MOO!

The sheer volume of handover sheets, taken 'inadvertently' could be a problem here.

 

[ConcernedThirdParty]

To be honest the morals of these searches are not relevant
What is relevant is amongst all the colleagues/ social searches that according to her "popped" into her mind ..why were these particular babies parents popping into her mind ...there doesn't seem to be a great number of non case related babies parents

Why is that relevant? Questions pop into my head, I google them. A person pops into my head, I wonder what's been going on in their life, I check facebook. I look up one person, that reminds me of another. Birthdays and anniversaries are common prompts to bring someone to mind. As has been mentioned now in the reporting, we're talking approx 100 - 200 searches of all kinds per month, mostly for friends/colleagues, a handful for parents of babies and it doesn't seem to be disproportionately the babies that are part of this case. None of this seems particularly odd to me.

 

[JamesMcGillEsquire]

The shredder’s back!

Seems quite clear she did lie to police about it. I find it difficult to see how you’d forget you have a shredder in your spare room that you use to shred your bank statements. JMO.

Ms Letby may have been subletting her spare room to the shredder.

In which case, could it not be said that the shredder was indeed, no longer in her possession, but actually in a seperate premises to her own?

Prosecution need to ask the question of whether the shredder had it's own key, and at what points the door was locked, if any.

JMO

 

[Blondiexoxo]

257 handover sheets and she never thought ‘blimey I have a lot of handover sheets’ as she added yet another one to the bag or the box labelled KEEP?

 

[WaxLyrical]

Ms Letby may have been subletting her spare room to the shredder.

In which case, could it not be said that the shredder was indeed, no longer in her possession, but actually in a seperate premises to her own?

Prosecution need to ask the question of whether the shredder had it's own key, and at what points the door was locked, if any.

JMO

Plot twist, it’s shredder from The Turtles.

 

[ginnyw]

Imo there seem to be many similarities between LL and Beverley Allitt and I'm wondering if LL will be diagnosed with Munchausen's Syndrome at some point too?

Notorious child killer Beverley Allitt fighting for life at Notts hospital

She was nicknamed the Angel of Death

www.nottinghampost.com

 

[Blondiexoxo]

5115:51

Post update​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Myers tells the court that 257 nursing "handover" sheets were found at Lucy Letby's house after her arrest, some of which relate to children in this case.
Letby says: "I really didn't know I had that many."
She's then asked: "When did you first realise the police were involved?"
She says it was towards the end of 2016.
Asked if it then crossed her mind to shred the handover notes, Letby says it didn't.

How did she not know she had that many? Most of them she would have taken with her when she moved house, would she not?

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653413411978616832

 

[JosieJo]

3:38pm

Letby says she did not know how many handover notes she had kept at her home. She says they were not all in one place.
She said they would stay in the pocket of her uniform, where it would be on shift, and she would not dispose of it prior to leaving.
"It would just get put somewhere"
"Anywhere in particular?" "No."
The number of handover sheets totalled 257.
Mr Myers: "Did you ever think to yourself, blimey, I have got a lot of handover sheets, I had better get rid of them?"
Letby: "No."
Letby says the notes had no purpose at home and she did not think of them.
Mr Myers says a shredder was found at Letby's home. Letby had previously told police in interview she did not have a shredder. Asked about this, Letby says it was an "oversight", and the shredder had come into her possession quite recently.

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Hmm, so she did have a shredder, but said in police interview she didn’t. LL has now said it was an oversight and the shredder had come into her possession recently? Some of the handover sheets were found in the shredder box, so casts doubt over how recent it came into her possession IMO. Again, I find this difficult to get my head around IMO.

Mr Myers says a shredder was found at Letby's home. Letby had previously told police in interview she did not have a shredder. Asked about this, Letby says it was an "oversight", and the shredder had come into her possession quite recently.


Forgot she had a shredder..prosecution will love that

 

[DianaWW]

5115:51

Post update​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Myers tells the court that 257 nursing "handover" sheets were found at Lucy Letby's house after her arrest, some of which relate to children in this case.
Letby says: "I really didn't know I had that many."
She's then asked: "When did you first realise the police were involved?"
She says it was towards the end of 2016.
Asked if it then crossed her mind to shred the handover notes, Letby says it didn't.

How did she not know she had that many? Most of them she would have taken with her when she moved house, would she not?

Also, I thought the police didn’t become involved until 2017, so I’m not sure how she could have known they were involved at the end of 2016?

 

[JosieJo]

Why is that relevant? Questions pop into my head, I google them. A person pops into my head, I wonder what's been going on in their life, I check facebook. I look up one person, that reminds me of another. Birthdays and anniversaries are common prompts to bring someone to mind. As has been mentioned now in the reporting, we're talking approx 100 - 200 searches of all kinds per month, mostly for friends/colleagues, a handful for parents of babies and it doesn't seem to be disproportionately the babies that are part of this case. None of this seems particularly odd to me.

I feel its relevant because amongst all of the searches...of which most are social..why these particular babies?
She cared for hundreds of babies so there should be a mix of non case babies and case babies

 

[WaxLyrical]

5115:51

Post update​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Myers tells the court that 257 nursing "handover" sheets were found at Lucy Letby's house after her arrest, some of which relate to children in this case.
Letby says: "I really didn't know I had that many."
She's then asked: "When did you first realise the police were involved?"
She says it was towards the end of 2016.
Asked if it then crossed her mind to shred the handover notes, Letby says it didn't.

How did she not know she had that many? Most of them she would have taken with her when she moved house, would she not?

So I think what she’s saying is she used the same carrier bag every day for work, and her uniform etc would be in there. In which case it sounds like the notes were just building up in there until she started using a new bag. So was she carrying these handover notes to and from work every day?

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Mr Myers asked Ms Letby what she wanted to do for the babies, she said to 'care for them, do my best for them, to help them'

Again with what she wanted to do, why did he not ask what did she do for the babies? What she wanted to do and what she did are two totally different things.

Mr Myers says a shredder was found at Letby's home. Letby had previously told police in interview she did not have a shredder. Asked about this, Letby says it was an "oversight", and the shredder had come into her possession quite recently.


Forgot she had a shredder..prosecution will love that

Weren’t there handover notes found in the shredder box?
So she forgot she had a shredder as she put things she could and should have shredded into the box that once had the shredder in?

 

[JosieJo]

So I think what she’s saying is she used the same carrier bag every day for work, and her uniform etc would be in there. In which case it sounds like the notes were just building up in there until she started using a new bag. So was she carrying these handover notes to and from work every day?

If that's what she is saying that's not believable..because if taking the bag back to work every day you would just grab a handful and pop them into the confidential waste

 

[JosieJo]

Why is that relevant? Questions pop into my head, I google them. A person pops into my head, I wonder what's been going on in their life, I check facebook. I look up one person, that reminds me of another. Birthdays and anniversaries are common prompts to bring someone to mind. As has been mentioned now in the reporting, we're talking approx 100 - 200 searches of all kinds per month, mostly for friends/colleagues, a handful for parents of babies and it doesn't seem to be disproportionately the babies that are part of this case. None of this seems particularly odd to me.

As far as I know it has not mentioned how many other babies are searches

 

[Blondiexoxo]

So I think what she’s saying is she used the same carrier bag every day for work, and her uniform etc would be in there. In which case it sounds like the notes were just building up in there until she started using a new bag. So was she carrying these handover notes to and from work every day?

Surely she wasn’t putting her uniform and lunch etc into a bag with handover sheets stuffed in yet didn’t know they were in there? So when she took her uniform out to get changed into she didn’t notice them? And if she did then she must have chose not to dispose of them at work which would show she intentionally kept them IMO.

Mind blown.

 

[Sundial]

This is a murder trial. Not an unfair dismissal hearing.

I fail to see what bearing it has on the alleged crimes, other than to paint her as less-than-perfect - and we all know no one is perfect. But 'not perfect' and 'harming newborn babies' are worlds apart.

I just don't see how the Facebook searches tie in with the alleged attacks.

So other healthcare professionals who have committed crimes have not been bought to the panel for fitness to practice meetings then?
These panels are not just about “unfair dismissals” They are regulatory bodies that prevent people from ever practicing again whether that is murder, malpractice, abuse/neglect etc etc. They are there for a very good reason to protect people not just for unfair dismissal.

 

[JosieJo]

Regarding the handovers she said she didn't put them anywhere in particular..yet were all together across just a couple of bags ?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Took the words right out of my mouth, I just posted this. There’s no detail to any answers even the important ones. Prosecution will push for more detail, they will follow up with ‘why were you thinking of them, was it because you had killed them’ etc…

I wonder if she’s not giving any detail on purpose so that when she is questioned by the prosecution she doesn’t forget what she’s already testified to and slip up by saying something different. By giving basic answers now, when the prosecution ask her more direct questions she can give more detail without worrying about them saying ‘that isn’t what you testified to earlier’ IMO

To be honest, I don't see anything suspicious in the way she's answering. She'll have been told not to say anything other than giving direct answers to the questions out to her. I know it's what I'd do.

As you say, the prosecution will push her on this stuff but there is no reason to make their job any easier.