UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #20

[ColourPurple]

Child E’s parents are also the ones she did the most searches on, 9 in 5 months including Christmas Day.

At police interview, when questioned regarding this, she said the searches would have been to see how baby F was doing. Which seems plausible until you see that the first searches happened on Aug 6, when baby F and his mum were still in the neo natal unit so she’d know how he was doing. It’s another little lie that adds to the growing pile against this family, and will likely create a sense of unease in some jurors.

It’s also the only baby she’s cried for so far (which came just after she’d suggested the baby’s mother lied under oath, but never mind). And of course the twin F is the first insulin case, which was one of the riskiest alleged attacks.

So whatever it is, something about this baby and family are more significant, even to her. It will be interesting to see the prosecution’s cross.

MOO

I think part of it may have been her checking to see if they had posted the photo she took of Baby F holding Baby E's teddy, or photos she had taken for the memory box.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

I think part of it may have been her checking to see if they had posted the photo she took of Baby F holding Baby E's teddy, or photos she had taken for the memory box.

JMO

OMG
How creepy!!!
JMO

 

[Becky53]

I think part of it may have been her checking to see if they had posted the photo she took of Baby F holding Baby E's teddy, or photos she had taken for the memory box.

JMO

Just the thought of that makes me shiver..

 

[WaxLyrical]

I think part of it may have been her checking to see if they had posted the photo she took of Baby F holding Baby E's teddy, or photos she had taken for the memory box.

JMO

I agree, or something along the lines of being thankful to the nurses that Baby F is here for Christmas. JMO.

 

[Xanadu62]

Lucy letby did search for the, more than others but her later searches may well have been prompted by the parents further interactions with the unit. I thought it strange she remembered them for so long until someone told me the parents had further interaction After leaving the unit.

Yes, that's right, the parents sent a gift hamper on Nov 12 to the unit but nurse Letby wasn't around to see them. I think remembering them/searching them after that interaction is plausible but it's not what she told the police unfortunately. Wanting to look up how child F was doing while they were still in hospital doesn't make sense. And if she is now going head to head with the mother on who's being truthful these inconsistencies don't look good.

"One other search was carried out for the father of Child E and F on Facebook at 1.17am on October 5"

And she did a search on the dad in October for the first time (wonder why now) - so remembered or was thinking about them 2 months after they left hospital and before they sent the gift basket. Which still seems like a long time after the fact to be on her mind when she is looking after so many babies/parents. But again, would all be irrelevant except she's pitted herself against the mum so it will all go under a microscope.

MOO.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes, that's right, the parents sent a gift hamper on Nov 12 to the unit but nurse Letby wasn't around to see them. I think remembering them/searching them after that interaction is plausible but it's not what she told the police unfortunately. Wanting to look up how child F was doing while they were still in hospital doesn't make sense. And if she is now going head to head with the mother on who's being truthful these inconsistencies don't look good.

"One other search was carried out for the father of Child E and F on Facebook at 1.17am on October 5"

And she did a search on the dad in October for the first time (wonder why now) - so remembered or was thinking about them 2 months after they left hospital and before they sent the gift basket. Which still seems like a long time after the fact to be on her mind when she is looking after so many babies/parents. But again, would all be irrelevant except she's pitted herself against the mum so it will all go under a microscope.

MOO.

Thanks for the recall. I do remember a hamper and I think visit from the parents but had forgotten it. Most likely a thanks card on the wall? think I remember ll saying it was nice they popped in or something?

this isn’t a for or against statement but I do think nobody would forget that family when they were witness to what happened. I wouldn’t, I’d still be thinking about baby f years later But only upon reflection and the memory would eventually taper off and become distant.
I think her fb searches indicate that the degree to which these parents were on her mind eventually tapered off. I posted something about her Fb searches being on people who were in close proximity to her at the time, her testimony and fb searches really indicate it and do not imo even come close to an “obsession“. it seems the police suggested she was but only because her searches were more numerous for the, than others but the prosecution have nothing to suggest she was indeed obsessed with them.

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

Totally wrong. She qualified at 21 (2011) and was fronting a fund raising campaign by the age of 23. She was 25/26 at the time of the allegations.

There are loads of photos of her socialising with lots of people. She lived and worked miles away from where she grew up so it's entirely reasonable that most of er socialising was done with colleagues.

I think that you really need to read the evidence here. Although basic maths would give you her age at the relevant time.

She was first arrested in July 2018 - which would have made her 28-years-old. My maths are fine, thank you.

Yes, she allegedly murdered seven babies and allegedly tried to murder 10 more babies two years prior to that, and when she was demoted to desk duties.

As for her socialising, she had scores of colleagues to socialise with and did so so, too; however, going by everything made public of her she doesn’t appear to have any steadfast friends who are standing by her. No-one has spoken up in her defence, have they? Even the doctor she had the huge crush on hasn’t come forward to offer his opinion of her…

 

[Anxala]

She was first arrested in July 2018 - which would have made her 28-years-old. My maths are fine, thank you.

Yes, she allegedly murdered seven babies and allegedly tried to murder 10 more babies two years prior to that, and when she was demoted to desk duties.

As for her socialising, she had scores of colleagues to socialise with and did so so, too; however, going by everything made public of her she doesn’t appear to have any steadfast friends who are standing by her. No-one has spoken up in her defence, have they? Even the doctor she had the huge crush on hasn’t come forward to offer his opinion of her…

You have absolutely no idea what friends she has since any friends she has would most certainly not be talking to the media while this trial is underway for very obvious legal reasons. I cannot believe you seriously think that that 'absence' should be considered significant?

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[Parker Knoll]

At this moment in time it doesn’t look like any colleagues from Coc are sticking by her.
Maybe Jenifer JK but it remains to be seen atm.
Absolutely nobody will be giving ANY interviews while this is an ongoing live trial.
They could face very serious consequences if they did.

 

[Sweeper2000]

You have absolutely no idea what friends she has since any friends she has would most certainly not be talking to the media while this trial is underway. I cannot believe you seriously think that 'absence' should be considered significant?
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I laugh when people say anything Other than the social norm is implicative. If human history is mostly theft, then that’s the social norm and it aint great.

I personally think there is good reason for a person to stay private but that’s just me.

 

[katydid23]

Her testimony is that it was the suspension from clinical duties onto clerical that made her self doubt. in her own words she hated the desk job.

Gee, that's too bad that she hated her transfer to the new job. Maybe she should have listened to her colleagues and superiors when they suggested she step back and reflect, when all the babies began collapsing all around her. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Everyone gets intrusive thoughts. Especially when anxious.

If you want to defend her, maybe shouldn't say she had intrusive thoughts when anxious. That could look bad for someone accused of doing compulsive acts. JMO

 

[katydid23]

The father was not asked, nor required to have recalled the phone call until years after it happened.
There is every chance that phone calls at various times were mistaken, a call that happend closer to 10pm was erroneously thought to have taken place at 9, for example. Perfectly understandable.

As for the question of an epidural, although the pain relief wears off after around 2hrs, the after affects have been known to last for days. This is a shot of steroids into the space around the spinal chord, at the very minmum it would knock a person for six.

NO, that is not perfectly understandable, in this specific case. The timeline is vitally important here.
9 pm was feeding time for the baby, and by 10:40 the baby was collapsing.

So there is no way those 2 calls would have been mixed up, in terms of content. Even years later, the father would remember the call from a panicked mom about their son bleeding and screaming in pain.

And the 2nd call came from the midwife, so they obviously know what that call was about. It is not reasonable for you to assume it was conflated or mistaken. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Ms Letby is presumably referring to the team to which she belonged, at the time.

By replying using this term, Ms Letby is outlining the training that her whole team would observe, and making it clear she would not be operating outside of those sets of framework.

JMO

There was no team standing there at that time. Just her, alone with the mother of the baby that died. Using the term 'we' makes no sense to me, in that context. Either she told the mom to leave or she didn't. Calling in her imaginary army makes no sense, imo.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Plenty of staff have testified to who she is. Not a bad word amongst it at all levels.

 

[Sundial]

Suspension from clinical duties is the same as redeployment. imo. It’s not a technical term.

This is incorrect. I have a friend (also in healthcare) that was redeployed to a different area and new post (still in an almost identical job) due to moving house and health reasons. One aspect was the travel causing significant difficulties. HR redeployed her to a new post closer to her new home where they could accommodate for her and she could still keep a role simialr to the one she had.

Redeployment or being redeployed is not the same as being suspended from your post.

 

[katydid23]

What was the midwife thing you mentioned?

The midwife called the mother sometime after 10 pm, because she heard about the baby bleeding and deteriorating. So the midwife called mom and told her to get to the unit.

Thagt is when mom called her husband again and told him to come quickly. So that strongly backs the parents version of events as opposed to LL's timeline. [ which has LL arriving around 10 pm with her breastmilk, and negates the 9 pm visit to the baby's room.]

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

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But I’d be hugely surprised if just one of them stood up and defended her in court.

So far, all we’ve had are witnesses for the prosecution…

 

[IspyWithMyBigEye]

At this moment in time it doesn’t look like any colleagues from Coc are sticking by her.
Maybe Jenifer JK but it remains to be seen atm.
Absolutely nobody will be giving ANY interviews while this is an ongoing live trial.
They could face very serious consequences if they did.

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No-one can comment publicly in the press whilst it’s ongoing.

 

[Sweeper2000]

This is incorrect. I have a friend (also in healthcare) that was redeployed to a different area and new post (still in an almost identical job) due to moving house and health reasons. One aspect was the travel causing significant difficulties. HR redeployed her to a new post closer to her new home where they could accommodate for her and she could still keep a role simialr to the one she had.

Redeployment or being redeployed is not the same as being suspended from your post.

I used to think better of ***.

suspension​

noun​

1
: the act of suspending : the state or period of being suspended: such as
a
: temporary removal (as from office or privileges)
b
: temporary withholding (as of belief or decision)
c
: temporary abrogation of a law or rule
d(1)
: the holding over of one or more musical tones of a chord into the following chord producing a momentary discord and suspending the concord which the ear expects
specifically : such a dissonance which resolves downward

“suspension from clinical duties”

the word was not used in an official sense, it was a reference to an action by the management.

I will say no more.