UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #21

[crystalline]

Yes, I have only ever seen someone projectile vomit once to be fair, that was my late mother this was due to a strangulated hernia causing obstruction, I got the impression from the nurses who tended to her its not something they see often. So for a baby I would imagine it's very very rare?

Edited for clarity....I mean rare to see it so forcefully.

 

[Tortoise]

Is it reasonable to think her stomach capacity would be such that her whole usual feed would drain by gravity into her stomach while she was sleeping, if she hadn't digested her earlier feed? It doesn't sound like it to me.

 

[marynnu]

Is it reasonable to think her stomach capacity would be such that her whole usual feed would drain by gravity into her stomach while she was sleeping, if she hadn't digested her earlier feed? It doesn't sound like it to me.

Just my own experience, but if we're effectively talking about doubling the correct volume, in my opinion it would be very difficult to gravity feed. It can even slow up towards the end of a normal tube feed. Underweight babies are often fed more per kg than babies of a good size, which can be a bit challenging for them. They occasionally start to bring up a little bit of milk at the end because their tummies are full.

 

[katydid23]

The trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, is informing the court a juror is not fit to attend court.
Said juror has also indicated they will not be well enough to attend tomorrow.


The courtroom at Manchester Crown Court, where the trial has been taking place since last October, is filling up, with Lucy Letby present.

For a recap of what has happened in the trial so far, visit: Countess nurse Lucy Letby: What has happened in trial so far
12:56am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is expected to continue today (Thursday, May 11).
We will be bringing you updates throughout the day.

 

[JosieJo]

So frustrating for the families ...I've honestly never heard of such illness..I know it's been many months but still.

 

[Honeybirdette]

Curious if it’s the same juror who is having the numerous frequent illness spells or not.

 

[JosieJo]

Curious if it’s the same juror who is having the numerous frequent illness spells or not.

I thought exactly this too

 

[Becci]

Does that mean it ain't on today?

 

[katydid23]

Does that mean it ain't on today?

Yup, not today or tomorrow.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

I think this is going to end in July.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I think this is going to end in July.

At this stage I’m not even convinced it’ll be July. Remember the shock when the jury were told not to book holiday until after easter!

How many days has the court even sat since easter..

Edit: I went to check. There’s been 6 days since Easter and one of them was a half day.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Oh for goodness sake how frustrating for everyone who’s gone to court today!
I wonder why there were only 2 days this week and last? Is it to give LL a ‘break’ while she’s testifying? It all seems very strange to me how a trial that has already taken so long can be dragged out to the point of only sitting 2-3 days a week. Sometimes not atall! Was this 2 day week schedule requested by the defense? How is this fair to the jury, the family members, even LL at this point?

Did the defense even give an opening statement at the start of their case? Because their original one was made back in October, so long ago it is not fresh in anyone’s mind. LL shouldn’t be testifying in dribs and drabs because it is not consistent JMO.
In 7 months there seems to have been more ‘days off’ than full days in court.

I understand there are genuine reasons for delay, juror illness can’t really be avoided, and obviously the jury can’t sit if they’re one person down. But the victims families have travelled to court today just to be told it’s not sitting, that IMO is not fair on them and shouldn’t have happened. Hopefully they were told before and didn’t have to make the journey there just to be told to go home.

I’m just wondering at what point is the judge going to say ‘look, we’ve been here for 7 months now, court needs to sit 5 days a week going forward, unless there is a valid reason for not being available’?

All MOO

 

[marynnu]

Yes, I have only ever seen someone projectile vomit once to be fair, that was my late mother this was due to a strangulated hernia causing obstruction, I got the impression from the nurses who tended to her its not something they see often. So for a baby I would imagine it's very very rare?

Edited for clarity....I mean rare to see it so forcefully.

I've only seen 'projectile ' vomiting - a couple of feet, say - due to wind when being bottle fed!

 

[Blondiexoxo]

At this stage I’m not even convinced it’ll be July. Remember the shock when the jury were told not to book holiday until after easter!

How many days has the court even sat since easter..

Edit: I went to check. There’s been 6 days since Easter and one of them was a half day.

It’s ridiculous! 6 days! When is the judge going to put his foot down? This trial has gone on long enough, constant breaks and half days here and there. Does the judge ask for evidence of the reasons given for not being able to attend?

I’d be interested to know, how many days total has court actually sat for since the beginning of the trial? And how many ‘days off’ have there been? Completely unfair to everyone involved, the jury, the families, defense, prosecution, even LL at this point! IMO

 

[WaxLyrical]

Oh for goodness sake how frustrating for everyone who’s gone to court today!
I wonder why there were only 2 days this week and last? Is it to give LL a ‘break’ while she’s testifying? It all seems very strange to me how a trial that has already taken so long can be dragged out to the point of only sitting 2-3 days a week. Sometimes not atall! Was this 2 day week schedule requested by the defense? How is this fair to the jury, the family members, even LL at this point?

Did the defense even give an opening statement at the start of their case? Because their original one was made back in October, so long ago it is not fresh in anyone’s mind. LL shouldn’t be testifying in dribs and drabs because it is not consistent JMO.
In 7 months there seems to have been more ‘days off’ than full days in court.

I understand there are genuine reasons for delay, juror illness can’t really be avoided, and obviously the jury can’t sit if they’re one person down. But the victims families have travelled to court today just to be told it’s not sitting, that IMO is not fair on them and shouldn’t have happened. Hopefully they were told before and didn’t have to make the journey there just to be told to go home.

I’m just wondering at what point is the judge going to say ‘look, we’ve been here for 7 months now, court needs to sit 5 days a week going forward, unless there is a valid reason for not being available’?

All MOO

The judge did say something like it was an “unfortunate” circumstance that meant the 2 days in court for 2 weeks. I doubt he’d have worded it like that if it was just because LL was on the stand.

Totally agree with everything else you’ve said though. This must be so difficult for everyone involved.

 

[WaxLyrical]

It’s ridiculous! 6 days! When is the judge going to put his foot down? This trial has gone on long enough, constant breaks and half days here and there. Does the judge ask for evidence of the reasons given for not being able to attend?

I’d be interested to know, how many days total has court actually sat for since the beginning of the trial? And how many ‘days off’ have there been? Completely unfair to everyone involved, the jury, the families, defense, prosecution, even LL at this point! IMO

I think prosecution had 87 days, defence has had two so far. Opening statements were about a week if I remember correctly.

In 7 months.

 

[Becky53]

I've only seen 'projectile ' vomiting - a couple of feet, say - due to wind when being bottle fed!

Yeah, all 4 of mine have projectile vomited at one time or another after being bottle fed and guzzling it down. They were substantially older though although I think the twins did it not long after breast feeding stopped @ 3 months.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Yeah, all 4 of mine have projectile vomited at one time or another after being bottle fed and guzzling it down. They were substantially older though although I think the twins did it not long after breast feeding stopped @ 3 months.

The one and only time my son projectile vomited, he was about 9 months old and had just eaten puréed banana and avocado. It was like scenes from the exorcist. It had such force and trajectory he was sat at the dining table and it landed on the sofa.

 

[marynnu]

The one and only time my son projectile vomited, he was about 9 months old and had just eaten puréed banana and avocado. It was like scenes from the exorcist. It had such force and trajectory he was sat at the dining table and it landed on the sofa.

He obviously had the same opinion of avocado that I do. Good man.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think this is going to end in July.

Maybe longer - coming up to summer and I wonder how many jurors have holidays booked and/or childcare issues when schools are off for six weeks? Not to mention all the legal crew present!

I was looking at my garden the other day; I currently have tiny little pears on my pear tree and what look like grapes coming on my new vines and I thought to myself, "I wonder if I'll be canning pears and brewing wine whilst waiting on the jury to return a verdict in this case?". I might not be too far out the way it's progressing!