UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #21

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Evidence in chief - time on the stand

Baby A - 49 mins
Baby B - 24 mins
Baby C - 44 mins
Baby D - 31 mins
Baby E - 54 mins
Baby F - 50 mins
Baby G - 50 mins
Baby H - 51 mins
Baby I - 1 hr 14 mins

total time 7 hrs 7 mins
 
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Evidence in chief - time on the stand

Baby A - 49 mins
Baby B - 24 mins
Baby C - 44 mins
Baby D - 31 mins
Baby E - 54 mins
Baby F - 50 mins
Baby G - 50 mins
Baby H - 51 mins
Baby I - 1 hr 14 mins

total time 7 hrs 7 mins

So likely another 2 days? 3 days? to cover the remaining cases?

Do you think the prosecution will start its cross-questioning this week or more likely next week?

Thanks as always for updates, Tortoise and ColourPurple (and anyone else who's provided them today).
 
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"we" statements -

Letby said: “We also heard quite a loud retching noise which we thought was unusual so we both went quite quickly into nursery one.

“We were quite shocked as looking around the scene there was vomit adjacent to the cotside and on the floor. That is something we had not seen before.”

 
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So likely another 2 days? 3 days? to cover the remaining cases?

Do you think the prosecution will start its cross-questioning this week or more likely next week?

Thanks as always for updates, Tortoise and ColourPurple (and anyone else who's provided them today).
Yes I think by Thursday we could get to her cross-examination.
 
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Yes I think by Thursday we could get to her cross-examination.
Do you think cross examination by Prosecution will take 2x longer?
 
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I agree - 3 days tops for defence then onto the prosecution by Friday, and yes Dotta she’s up there a good while longer.
Big kudos to Letby’s memory these days …. It appears fantastically detailed !
My musings only obviously.
 
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Big kudos to Letby’s memory these days …. It appears fantastically detailed !
I wonder what her patent is :rolleyes:

But I don't envy her.
"Sometimes we survive by forgetting".

JMO
 
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Do you think cross examination by Prosecution will take 2x longer?
No, I think it might be about the same.

I don't think the approach will be the same, going through the babies' background health or what she would do in the course of normal nursing duties, and I don't think the prosecution will be aiming to get her to reverse her denials, I think it will be more about -


motivation and means -

highlighting her oppositional characteristics, (complaining, attitudes towards babies' parents, disrespect for rules/authority/others, believing she's better than...), asking her if parents or others lied and what would motivate them to lie, highlighting every time she manipulated others with her texts and checked out what others were thinking, highlighting how she could deceive by writing false entries in the notes or not reporting certain things to reviewing doctors, highlighting how babies had repeating problems every time she was around and how those same problems occurred with other babies in the charges too, highlighting how every time it seemed she might be associated there was a corresponding shift in alleged method of attacks, how she forged friendships with two doctors perhaps to gain their trust or keeping feelers out, etc

opportunity -

proving she had opportunity for every allegation, by going over the exact time it happened and where she was, asking her to account for all those minutes, and pointing out how others were distracted with tasks at the time or nurses/parents had just left the cotside or room.

I could be totally wrong.

MOO
 
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I don’t think you are tortoise, I think you are spot on.
MOO
 
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"we" statements -

Letby said: “We also heard quite a loud retching noise which we thought was unusual so we both went quite quickly into nursery one.

“We were quite shocked as looking around the scene there was vomit adjacent to the cotside and on the floor. That is something we had not seen before.”

No
No, I think it might be about the same.

I don't think the approach will be the same, going through the babies' background health or what she would do in the course of normal nursing duties, and I don't think the prosecution will be aiming to get her to reverse her denials, I think it will be more about -


motivation and means -

highlighting her oppositional characteristics, (complaining, attitudes towards babies' parents, disrespect for rules/authority/others, believing she's better than...), asking her if parents or others lied and what would motivate them to lie, highlighting every time she manipulated others with her texts and checked out what others were thinking, highlighting how she could deceive by writing false entries in the notes or not reporting certain things to reviewing doctors, highlighting how babies had repeating problems every time she was around and how those same problems occurred with other babies in the charges too, highlighting how every time it seemed she might be associated there was a corresponding shift in alleged method of attacks, how she forged friendships with two doctors perhaps to gain their trust or keeping feelers out, etc

opportunity -

proving she had opportunity for every allegation, by going over the exact time it happened and where she was, asking her to account for all those minutes, and pointing out how others were distracted with tasks at the time or nurses/parents had just left the cotside or room.

I could be totally wrong.

MOO
I think he'll go in for the 'on purpose' in a big way.
and also LL's mental health at the time of noting this and whether she actually believed at times that she did do this.
I noticed when Myers broached the matter of the note he had to heavily steer her away from outwardly confessing that she had, for want of better words 'lost the plot'

The A4 note it says: "I don’t know if I killed them. Maybe I did. Maybe this is all down to me."
Myers: "Why did you write something like that?"
Letby: "Because that’s how I was feeling at that time".
Myers: “Why is it crossed out?
Letby: "That’s just something I’d do."
Myers: "How did it make you feel, wondering if you’d killed them?"
Letby: "I hated myself."

Jmo

devastating, says nurse - BBC News
 
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I think he'll go in for the 'on purpose' in a big way.
and also LL's mental health at the time of noting this and whether she actually believed at times that she did do this.
I noticed when Myers broached the matter of the note he had to heavily steer her away from outwardly confessing that she had, for want of better words 'lost the plot'

The A4 note it says: "I don’t know if I killed them. Maybe I did. Maybe this is all down to me."
Myers: "Why did you write something like that?"
Letby: "Because that’s how I was feeling at that time".
Myers: “Why is it crossed out?
Letby: "That’s just something I’d do."
Myers: "How did it make you feel, wondering if you’d killed them?"
Letby: "I hated myself."

Jmo

devastating, says nurse - BBC News
oh yes, her notes, and the discrepancies between her police interviews and her testimony! (aka tailoring her evidence)
 
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I guess the Prosecution still cannot believe their good luck :D

JMO
 
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Do you think cross examination by Prosecution will take 2x longer?
Well, I've only heard summaries of her evidence and I've got at least 2 weeks worth of questions I'd like to ask her!
 
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She’s giving them plenty to work with that’s for sure.
It’s hard to read the room from the court reporters updates. I do wonder how it’s going down in court. It must feel endless at times.
MOO
 
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Well for someone claiming to have “some memory” but “not great detail” her description of events is more detailed than what I can remember what I ate for dinner last week.
JMO
In the words of Celine Dion, 'It's all coming back to me now.....'
 
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Something that stuck in my mind today was regards the lightning in the room when she said she saw the baby looked pale ... she states it wasn't that dark .. yet admits they put the light up to only then see the baby was very unwell...it just doesn't sit right with me
 
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was regards the lightning in the room when she said she saw the baby looked pale ... she states it wasn't that dark .. yet admits they put the light up to only then see the baby was very unwell...it just doesn't sit right with me
Maybe she will "shed some light" on this during cross e.? :rolleyes:
 
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Something that stuck in my mind today was regards the lightning in the room when she said she saw the baby looked pale ... she states it wasn't that dark .. yet admits they put the light up to only then see the baby was very unwell...it just doesn't sit right with me
I seem to remember that the nurse Ashley H explained that the lights were off b/c of Baby's condition (neurological???).

And she chose the photo of the room (dark one) -
wasn't it an agreed fact?

Or am I mistaken?

JmO
 
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