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UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #22
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As long as not doing clinical work I'd say that would be normal.
As long as not doing clinical work I'd say that would be normal.
I worked nights for 25 years and never stayed over that amount of time..the most ever was around an hour because a colleague didn't arrive to take over.
But I suppose to play devil's advocate I was bored lonely work obsessed and living in hospital accommodation
Mr Johnson says if the jury conclude a baby was attacked, then it would be the attacker who was the common link
Letby: "Just because I was on shift doesn't mean I have done anything."
This is a red flag in forensic linguistics - answering a question that wasn't asked. For example, if a child is missing and police ask the mother when she last saw her child, and she answers "I didn't kill her".
Letby: "Just because I was on shift doesn't mean I have done anything."
This is a red flag in forensic linguistics - answering a question that wasn't asked. For example, if a child is missing and police ask the mother when she last saw her child, and she answers "I didn't kill her".
12:03
He asks: "What would take priority? Texting your friends or feeding a child?" Lucy Letby replies: "The baby obviously".
Johnson asks: "Have you ever texted your friends whilst a resuscitation has been going on?" Letby says: "No".
Johnson then asks: "Are you sure about that?" Letby asks: "A resus that I’ve been involved with?
Johnson says: "A resus on the unit". Letby responds: "I can’t recall texting while on a resuscitation".
Johnson asks: "Would it be wholly inappropriate?" Letby replies: "If I was at cot side, yes".
Letby asked whether she sent texts to friends during resuscitations
Nick Johnson KC continues his questioning.He asks: "What would take priority? Texting your friends or feeding a child?" Lucy Letby replies: "The baby obviously".
Johnson asks: "Have you ever texted your friends whilst a resuscitation has been going on?" Letby says: "No".
Johnson then asks: "Are you sure about that?" Letby asks: "A resus that I’ve been involved with?
Johnson says: "A resus on the unit". Letby responds: "I can’t recall texting while on a resuscitation".
Johnson asks: "Would it be wholly inappropriate?" Letby replies: "If I was at cot side, yes".
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Letby probed on phone use while working
Nick Johnson KC turns to the subject of milk tube feeds for babies on the unit.
After asking Lucy Letby to explain the process, he asks if she's ever used a syringe plunger to speed up the flow of milk, which she denies.
"Is it a job for which you need to use both hands?" Mr Johnson asks - Letby agrees.
"Have you ever sent texts to your friends while you have been performing a tube feed?" he questions.
"Absolutely not, no," she replies.
She says it would be "inappropriate" and that she doesn't "see how you could do a feed without having both hands".
He proposes that if hospital records show she was identified as giving feeds at the same time as texting friends that she wasn't in fact giving that feed.
Letby says the feed charts are estimates to the nearest quarter or half past hour.
"What would take priority, texting your friends or feeding a child?" Mr Johnson asks.
"The baby, obviously," she replies.
Mr Johnson asks if Letby has ever texted her friends while a resuscitation is going on in the unit. She says such an act would be inappropriate if she was at the cot side but not if she were elsewhere.
"Is it appropriate to be texting friends while a resuscitation is going on?"
"If I'm not playing a part in that, yes."
She denies Mr Johnson's suggestion she would have been "giving a commentary" to her friends while doing so.
"Do you know what I'm talking about?" he asks.
"No."
"We'll come to it."
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Nick Johnson KC turns to the subject of milk tube feeds for babies on the unit.
After asking Lucy Letby to explain the process, he asks if she's ever used a syringe plunger to speed up the flow of milk, which she denies.
"Is it a job for which you need to use both hands?" Mr Johnson asks - Letby agrees.
"Have you ever sent texts to your friends while you have been performing a tube feed?" he questions.
"Absolutely not, no," she replies.
She says it would be "inappropriate" and that she doesn't "see how you could do a feed without having both hands".
He proposes that if hospital records show she was identified as giving feeds at the same time as texting friends that she wasn't in fact giving that feed.
Letby says the feed charts are estimates to the nearest quarter or half past hour.
"What would take priority, texting your friends or feeding a child?" Mr Johnson asks.
"The baby, obviously," she replies.
Mr Johnson asks if Letby has ever texted her friends while a resuscitation is going on in the unit. She says such an act would be inappropriate if she was at the cot side but not if she were elsewhere.
"Is it appropriate to be texting friends while a resuscitation is going on?"
"If I'm not playing a part in that, yes."
She denies Mr Johnson's suggestion she would have been "giving a commentary" to her friends while doing so.
"Do you know what I'm talking about?" he asks.
"No."
"We'll come to it."
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Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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Yes, but this is a slightly different scenario in that she's actually accused and on trial for murder. It's not an "out of the blue" type answer.
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You can't really blame her for answering that way - It was perfectly obvious what he was implying by his question.
12:08
Lucy Letby says: "No I’ve not attacked any children."
Johnson continues: "I understand your case that you’ve not attacked anyone. If the jury conclude that a certain combination of children were certainly attacked by someone, then the shift pattern gives us the answer as to who."
Lucy Letby replies: "No, I don’t agree."
Johnson responds: "Why don’t you agree?"
Lucy Letby: "Just because I was on shift doesn’t mean I’ve done anything."
Johnson says: "Babies 5, 8, 10 and 12 were all attacked by someone, and you’re the only common feature."
Lucy Letby: "That’s for them (the jury) to decide."
Johnson: "Of course it is, but as a principle do you agree?"
Lucy Letby: "I don’t feel like I can answer that."
'Just because I was on shift doesn’t mean I’ve done anything' - Letby
Nick Johnson KC asks: "Do you agree that if certain combinations of these children were attacked, that unless more than one person was attacking them - you have to be the attacker?"Lucy Letby says: "No I’ve not attacked any children."
Johnson continues: "I understand your case that you’ve not attacked anyone. If the jury conclude that a certain combination of children were certainly attacked by someone, then the shift pattern gives us the answer as to who."
Lucy Letby replies: "No, I don’t agree."
Johnson responds: "Why don’t you agree?"
Lucy Letby: "Just because I was on shift doesn’t mean I’ve done anything."
Johnson says: "Babies 5, 8, 10 and 12 were all attacked by someone, and you’re the only common feature."
Lucy Letby: "That’s for them (the jury) to decide."
Johnson: "Of course it is, but as a principle do you agree?"
Lucy Letby: "I don’t feel like I can answer that."
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She's outright alleging conspiracy against her.
12:06pm
Mr Johnson asks about Letby's colleagues.
Letby says she did not have a disagreement with Dr Gail Beech or Dr Andrew Brunton, and had a good working relationship with them.
For Dr Stephen Brearey, Letby said she did not have a problem with him at the time she was at work with him - she wrote a note calling him a profanity after she was redeployed, as he and Dr Ravi Jayaram "had been making comments" about Letby being implicated in the deaths of babies.
"They were very insistent that I be removed from the unit."Letby denies being in love with a doctor who cannot be named - "I loved him as a friend, I was not in love with him."
A note in Letby's handwriting is shown to the court. There is a suggestion the writing, previously said as 'Timmy', is 'Tiny Boy'.
Letby says her dog as a child had a nickname of 'Tiny boy', while another of her childhood dogs was named 'Timmy'.
Letby said she had no issues with other doctors on the unit, including Dr John Gibbs, Dr Sally Ogden, Dr Alison Ventress and Dr David Harkness.
For one other doctor, she said she did not have the best working relationship, but they got on.
For Dr Jayaram, "we had a normal working relationship".
NJ: "You searched for him on the internet."
LL: "I searched for a lot of people."
12:11pm
Letby says four doctors were in the 'conspiracy group', including Dr Jayaram, Dr Gibbs and Dr Brearey - "that they have apportioned blame on me".
Letby is asked about "failings in the hospital".
Letby is asked if Child E was poisoned with insulin.
"Yes I agree that he had insulin."
"Do you believe that somebody gave it to him unlawfully?"
"Yes."
"Do you believe that someone targeted him?"
"No."
"It was a random act?"
"Yes...I don't know where the insulin came from."
"Do you agree [Child L] was poisoned with insulin?"
"From the blood results, yes."
"Do you agree that someone targeted him specifically?"
"No...I don't know how the insulin got there."
Letby adds: "I don't believe that any member of staff on the unit would make a mistake in giving insulin."
The judge asks if that is the case for Child E.
Letby agrees.
She denies it was her who administered the insulin.
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Mr Johnson asks about Letby's colleagues.
Letby says she did not have a disagreement with Dr Gail Beech or Dr Andrew Brunton, and had a good working relationship with them.
For Dr Stephen Brearey, Letby said she did not have a problem with him at the time she was at work with him - she wrote a note calling him a profanity after she was redeployed, as he and Dr Ravi Jayaram "had been making comments" about Letby being implicated in the deaths of babies.
"They were very insistent that I be removed from the unit."Letby denies being in love with a doctor who cannot be named - "I loved him as a friend, I was not in love with him."
A note in Letby's handwriting is shown to the court. There is a suggestion the writing, previously said as 'Timmy', is 'Tiny Boy'.
Letby says her dog as a child had a nickname of 'Tiny boy', while another of her childhood dogs was named 'Timmy'.
Letby said she had no issues with other doctors on the unit, including Dr John Gibbs, Dr Sally Ogden, Dr Alison Ventress and Dr David Harkness.
For one other doctor, she said she did not have the best working relationship, but they got on.
For Dr Jayaram, "we had a normal working relationship".
NJ: "You searched for him on the internet."
LL: "I searched for a lot of people."
12:11pm
Letby says four doctors were in the 'conspiracy group', including Dr Jayaram, Dr Gibbs and Dr Brearey - "that they have apportioned blame on me".
Letby is asked about "failings in the hospital".
Letby is asked if Child E was poisoned with insulin.
"Yes I agree that he had insulin."
"Do you believe that somebody gave it to him unlawfully?"
"Yes."
"Do you believe that someone targeted him?"
"No."
"It was a random act?"
"Yes...I don't know where the insulin came from."
"Do you agree [Child L] was poisoned with insulin?"
"From the blood results, yes."
"Do you agree that someone targeted him specifically?"
"No...I don't know how the insulin got there."
Letby adds: "I don't believe that any member of staff on the unit would make a mistake in giving insulin."
The judge asks if that is the case for Child E.
Letby agrees.
She denies it was her who administered the insulin.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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Agreed. It's a long way from any sort of "Speckled Jim" moment, as far as I can tell.
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Wow and she's including Doc Choc ?
I'm gonna run out of wows today
ETA as pointed out - the unnamed doctor may be another doctor, eg the female one
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Mr Johnson is asking Ms Letby about each member of staff on the neonatal unit in turn and how she felt towards them - he asks about Dr Stephen Brearey, a consultant who pushed for Ms Letby to be taken off the unit in June 2016
She says when working on unit she 'did not have a problem' with him. She said her issues 'came after'. On a note, found at Ms Letby's home, she had written the word 'bastards' - she said this was about Dr Brearey and Dr Ravi Jayaram
Asked why she had written this, she says it was because they were 'making comments I was responsible for the deaths of babies' She adds 'they were very insistent that I be removed from the unit'
Mr Johnson asks about another doctor, who cannot be named for legal reasons. He asks Ms Letby if she was 'in love with him', she says she 'loved him as a friend'
Mr Johnson asks Ms Letby if she believes there is a 'conspiracy against her', she says yes. Mr Johnson asks her who is involved in this, she says Dr Stephen Brearey, Dr Ravi Jayaram, Dr John Gibbs and another doctor who cannot be named for legal reasons
Mr Johnson says he will refer to these doctors as 'the gang of four'. He asks what motive they would have for such a conspiracy. She says: 'They have apportioned blame onto me. I believe to cover failings at the hospital'
Mr Johnson is asking Ms Letby about each member of staff on the neonatal unit in turn and how she felt towards them - he asks about Dr Stephen Brearey, a consultant who pushed for Ms Letby to be taken off the unit in June 2016
She says when working on unit she 'did not have a problem' with him. She said her issues 'came after'. On a note, found at Ms Letby's home, she had written the word 'bastards' - she said this was about Dr Brearey and Dr Ravi Jayaram
Asked why she had written this, she says it was because they were 'making comments I was responsible for the deaths of babies' She adds 'they were very insistent that I be removed from the unit'
Mr Johnson asks about another doctor, who cannot be named for legal reasons. He asks Ms Letby if she was 'in love with him', she says she 'loved him as a friend'
Mr Johnson asks Ms Letby if she believes there is a 'conspiracy against her', she says yes. Mr Johnson asks her who is involved in this, she says Dr Stephen Brearey, Dr Ravi Jayaram, Dr John Gibbs and another doctor who cannot be named for legal reasons
Mr Johnson says he will refer to these doctors as 'the gang of four'. He asks what motive they would have for such a conspiracy. She says: 'They have apportioned blame onto me. I believe to cover failings at the hospital'
This looks hugely problematic to me.
Why would she deny both babies were targeted while admitting insulin was given to them by someone?
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Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC is reading a list of all the doctors on the unit and asking Lucy Letby if she had any issues with them.
She says she had normal working relationships with the doctors.
Johnson asks: "Are you suggesting that there is some sort of agreement between any of the medical staff who’ve given evidence in this case - to get you?" Letby responds: "In the consultant group? Yes I do believe that."
Johnson says: "Who is in the conspiracy group?" Lucy Letby says: "Which individuals? I believe Ravi Jayaram, Stephen Brearey, John Gibbs (and another doctor, name witheld)."
Johnson says: "So the gang of four? Letby answers: "Yes".
Johnson then asks: "What is the conspiracy between the gang of four?" Letby replies: "That they have apportioned blame onto me".
Johnson says: "And the motive of apportioning blame onto you?" Letby explains: "I believe to cover up things at the hospital".
Doctors blame me to cover up failings, says Letby
Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC is reading a list of all the doctors on the unit and asking Lucy Letby if she had any issues with them.
She says she had normal working relationships with the doctors.
Johnson asks: "Are you suggesting that there is some sort of agreement between any of the medical staff who’ve given evidence in this case - to get you?" Letby responds: "In the consultant group? Yes I do believe that."
Johnson says: "Who is in the conspiracy group?" Lucy Letby says: "Which individuals? I believe Ravi Jayaram, Stephen Brearey, John Gibbs (and another doctor, name witheld)."
Johnson says: "So the gang of four? Letby answers: "Yes".
Johnson then asks: "What is the conspiracy between the gang of four?" Letby replies: "That they have apportioned blame onto me".
Johnson says: "And the motive of apportioning blame onto you?" Letby explains: "I believe to cover up things at the hospital".
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Being on shift at time of incidents doesn't mean I attacked babies, Letby says
Nick Johnson KC puts to Lucy Letby that if the jury concludes children were attacked, unless more than one person was attacking them then she must be the attacker.
"I haven't attacked any children," she replies, to which Mr Johnson says he understands her position.
"If the jury conclude that a certain combination of children were attacked by someone... the shift pattern gives us the answer to who the attacker was, doesn't it?"
"I don't agree."
"Why?"
"Just because I was on shift doesn't mean I have done anything," Letby says.
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Nick Johnson KC puts to Lucy Letby that if the jury concludes children were attacked, unless more than one person was attacking them then she must be the attacker.
"I haven't attacked any children," she replies, to which Mr Johnson says he understands her position.
"If the jury conclude that a certain combination of children were attacked by someone... the shift pattern gives us the answer to who the attacker was, doesn't it?"
"I don't agree."
"Why?"
"Just because I was on shift doesn't mean I have done anything," Letby says.
Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court
Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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Wasn’t the doctor who said she was excited about a memory box also an unnamed doctor?Wow and she's including Doc Choc ?
I'm gonna run out of wows today
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Letby says 'conspiracy group' of colleagues blamed her for baby deaths and collapse
Lucy Letby is asked about people she worked with in the neonatal unit, and if she had problems with any of her colleagues.Nick Johnson KC questions Lucy Letby on a "conspiracy group" against her - four of Letby's colleagues, including doctors, who raised concern over a possible link to Letby's presence and incidents involving babies on the unit.
"What is the conspiracy?" Mr Johnson asks.
"That they have apportioned blame on to me," Letby replies.
Asked what the motive would be, she says: "I believe to cover failings at the hospital."
Mr Johnson indicates he'll give Letby the opportunity to explain what hospital failings were involved in each case against her.
Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court
Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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Is she not trying to imply that whomever did it simply randomly poisoned bags with no specific intent to target any particular patient?
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