Trouble is; she did describe as boring!2:01pm
The trial is now resuming. Nicholas Johnson KC says there is one thing he overlooked from the morning's evidence.
He asks Lucy Letby why she said "blotchiness" rather than "mottling" in part of her police statement.
"I think they are interchangeable," Letby tells the court.
2:06pm
Asked if staffing levels or mistakes had contributed to the collapse of Child B, Letby says she does not know what caused Child B's collapse.
She says she does not recall Child B's father lying on the floor following Child B's collapse.
A text message from Letby includes:...'Dad was on the foor crying saying please don't take out baby away when I took him to the mortuary, it's just heartbreaking."
Letby says she does not recall that.
Letby says in this case, she did not want to care for Child B so soon after the death of Child A, as unlike the Liverpool example she had been taught of 'getting back on the horse' (Mr Johnson's words) and being back in nursery room 1, this was with the same family.
Letby accepts Child B did well on the day shift of June 9.
2:11pm
Letby is asked if Child B's parents 'stood guard' in the unit following the death of twin, Child A.
Letby: "They were very much present on the unit and we allowed for that."
A diagram for the night shift of June 9-10 shows Letby was in nursery room 3 for that night shift, looking after two babies. Child B was in room 1.
Letby says she "got on well" with all her nursing colleagues.
Letby recalls evidence from court by a nurse colleague on March 21, in which Letby had said working in nurseries 3 and 4 was "boring".
Letby tells the court: "I have never been bored [at work], I would never describe my work as boring."
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Mr Johnson puts to Ms Letby what a colleague said in evidence about a time Ms Letby was asked to work in an ‘outside nursery’ where babies were treated in preparation for going home.
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Senior nurse Kathryn Percival-Calderbank told the jury “She said it was boring and she didn’t want to feed babies. She wanted to be in the intensive care”.
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Ms Letby says that is 'not true', she adds: 'I’ve never been bored at work, I would never describe my work as boring'
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Mr Johnson is pulling up WhatsApp messages sent by Ms Letby, while at work in June 2015. He says this 'chitchat' with friends and others is evidence of her being bored. She rejects this, saying messaging on shift was not 'unique to me'
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Mr Johnson puts to Ms Letby what a colleague said in evidence about a time Ms Letby was asked to work in an ‘outside nursery’ where babies were treated in preparation for going home.
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Senior nurse Kathryn Percival-Calderbank told the jury “She said it was boring and she didn’t want to feed babies. She wanted to be in the intensive care”.
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Ms Letby says that is 'not true', she adds: 'I’ve never been bored at work, I would never describe my work as boring'
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Mr Johnson is pulling up WhatsApp messages sent by Ms Letby, while at work in June 2015. He says this 'chitchat' with friends and others is evidence of her being bored. She rejects this, saying messaging on shift was not 'unique to me'
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'All members of staff used their phone on that unit', she said.
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Mr Johnson is going back over all the messages Ms Letby sent to colleagues during the shift of 9 June. He also goes into the neonatal review, which shows she was signing for a prescription for a child around the same time
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Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
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He again asks, 'were you bored'. She responds 'no'
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'All members of staff used their phone on that unit', she said.
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Mr Johnson is going back over all the messages Ms Letby sent to colleagues during the shift of 9 June. He also goes into the neonatal review, which shows she was signing for a prescription for a child around the same time
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Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
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He again asks, 'were you bored'. She responds 'no'
2:24pm
Mr Johnson goes through the timeline of Child B's events.
A message from Letby to Yvonne Griffiths said: "...Hard coming in and seeing the parents".
Mr Johnson says she is "engaged in chit-chat with a friend" between 8.41pm-9.10pm on the night shift in a social context. Letby says that sort of conversation was not limited to just her.
Mr Johnson says further messages are exchanged between 9.12pm-9.32pm.
Letby says "all members of staff use their phones on the unit". She says it was "accepted".
She says she cannot comment for the whole unit, but her designated babies were being cared for.
She says she does not believe there were staffing issues - "I can't see what's going on with the other babies [at this time]."
Further messages are exchanged involving Letby, some in a social context, up to 10.28pm.
Mr Johnson says in the middle of the block of messages, Letby signs for medication for a baby at 10.20pm. Letby says she didn't use her phone in clinical areas.
A "further block of messages" are exchanged on Letby's phone between 10.38-10.59pm.
NJ: "Were you bored?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "As a matter of fact, do you text a lot when in [room 3]?"
LL: "I text regardless where I am on shift."
NJ: "Even with an ITU baby [in room 1]?"
LL: "Yes, and I think everyone else would say the same if they were honest."
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Mr Johnson goes through the timeline of Child B's events.
A message from Letby to Yvonne Griffiths said: "...Hard coming in and seeing the parents".
Mr Johnson says she is "engaged in chit-chat with a friend" between 8.41pm-9.10pm on the night shift in a social context. Letby says that sort of conversation was not limited to just her.
Mr Johnson says further messages are exchanged between 9.12pm-9.32pm.
Letby says "all members of staff use their phones on the unit". She says it was "accepted".
She says she cannot comment for the whole unit, but her designated babies were being cared for.
She says she does not believe there were staffing issues - "I can't see what's going on with the other babies [at this time]."
Further messages are exchanged involving Letby, some in a social context, up to 10.28pm.
Mr Johnson says in the middle of the block of messages, Letby signs for medication for a baby at 10.20pm. Letby says she didn't use her phone in clinical areas.
A "further block of messages" are exchanged on Letby's phone between 10.38-10.59pm.
NJ: "Were you bored?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "As a matter of fact, do you text a lot when in [room 3]?"
LL: "I text regardless where I am on shift."
NJ: "Even with an ITU baby [in room 1]?"
LL: "Yes, and I think everyone else would say the same if they were honest."
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We're back after a break for lunch. Mr Johnson is turning to what Ms Letby said in evidence in relation to Child B. She was the twin sister of Child A and collapsed on 10 June 2015, 28 hours after her brother's death. Child B recovered and was eventually discharged a month later.
Ms Letby tells Ms Johnson 'I don't know what caused the collapse'...he asks if it is due to medical competence of staff on the unit, she says 'i don't know'
Mr Johnson puts to Ms Letby what a colleague said in evidence about a time Ms Letby was asked to work in an ‘outside nursery’ where babies were treated in preparation for going home.
Senior nurse Kathryn Percival-Calderbank told the jury “She said it was boring and she didn’t want to feed babies. She wanted to be in the intensive care”.
Ms Letby says that is 'not true', she adds: 'I’ve never been bored at work, I would never describe my work as boring'
Mr Johnson is pulling up WhatsApp messages sent by Ms Letby, while at work in June 2015. He says this 'chitchat' with friends and others is evidence of her being bored. She rejects this, saying messaging on shift was not 'unique to me'
'All members of staff used their phone on that unit', she said.
Mr Johnson is going back over all the messages Ms Letby sent to colleagues during the shift of 9 June. He also goes into the neonatal review, which shows she was signing for a prescription for a child around the same time
Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
We're back after a break for lunch. Mr Johnson is turning to what Ms Letby said in evidence in relation to Child B. She was the twin sister of Child A and collapsed on 10 June 2015, 28 hours after her brother's death. Child B recovered and was eventually discharged a month later.
Ms Letby tells Ms Johnson 'I don't know what caused the collapse'...he asks if it is due to medical competence of staff on the unit, she says 'i don't know'
Mr Johnson puts to Ms Letby what a colleague said in evidence about a time Ms Letby was asked to work in an ‘outside nursery’ where babies were treated in preparation for going home.
Senior nurse Kathryn Percival-Calderbank told the jury “She said it was boring and she didn’t want to feed babies. She wanted to be in the intensive care”.
Ms Letby says that is 'not true', she adds: 'I’ve never been bored at work, I would never describe my work as boring'
Mr Johnson is pulling up WhatsApp messages sent by Ms Letby, while at work in June 2015. He says this 'chitchat' with friends and others is evidence of her being bored. She rejects this, saying messaging on shift was not 'unique to me'
'All members of staff used their phone on that unit', she said.
Mr Johnson is going back over all the messages Ms Letby sent to colleagues during the shift of 9 June. He also goes into the neonatal review, which shows she was signing for a prescription for a child around the same time
Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
I suppose anyone would think that while at Chester, given what was going on!
I'll let you continue with Dan's tweets @katydid23 , didn't think anyone was doing them, sorry
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Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC says that on the night of baby B's collapse, Lucy Letby was based in a different room within the unit. The baby was in nursery one (intensive care).
Nurse Letby was looking after two children in nursery three. Nick Johnson suggests that Lucy Letby had wanted to be based in nursery one.
He says: "You didn’t like being there (nursery three) did you?" Letby answers: "That’s not accurate". Johnson responds: "You were bored",
Letby says: "I’ve never been bored at work. I’ve never described my work as boring".
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He says: "I’m suggesting you were bored because you were engaging in chit chat on texts with friends."
Lucy Letby replies: "No that’s common practice on the ward, that's not unique to me."
Johnson adds: "I take it that staffing levels weren't an issue then?"
Lucy Letby says she can't speak for the other staff on the unit, but her babies were being adequately looked after at the time.
Prosecution suggests Letby was bored at times
Judith Moritz
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Nick Johnson KC says that on the night of baby B's collapse, Lucy Letby was based in a different room within the unit. The baby was in nursery one (intensive care).
Nurse Letby was looking after two children in nursery three. Nick Johnson suggests that Lucy Letby had wanted to be based in nursery one.
He says: "You didn’t like being there (nursery three) did you?" Letby answers: "That’s not accurate". Johnson responds: "You were bored",
Letby says: "I’ve never been bored at work. I’ve never described my work as boring".
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Texting while on shift was common practice, says Letby
Nick Johnson KC shows the court a list of text messages which Lucy Letby sent to friends and colleagues whilst she was on shift.He says: "I’m suggesting you were bored because you were engaging in chit chat on texts with friends."
Lucy Letby replies: "No that’s common practice on the ward, that's not unique to me."
Johnson adds: "I take it that staffing levels weren't an issue then?"
Lucy Letby says she can't speak for the other staff on the unit, but her babies were being adequately looked after at the time.
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First she said she didnt use her phone in the clinical areas---then.....
Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
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Letby says she would send texts while on shift
Nick Johnson KC pulls up text messages between Lucy Letby, a friend and colleagues, sent during the evening of 9 June 2015 while she was at work.
"This is why I'm suggesting you're bored, you're engaging in chit-chat with your friend," Mr Johnson puts to Letby.
The defendant said this wasn't unique to her.
"All members of staff use their phone," she tells the court.
Mr Johnson asks if Letby spends "a lot of time texting" when working in nurseries three and four on the neonatal unit - for babies with a lower level of care need.
"I text regardless of where I am during the shift," the nurse responds.
She says all staff "would say the same thing if they were being honest".
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Nick Johnson KC pulls up text messages between Lucy Letby, a friend and colleagues, sent during the evening of 9 June 2015 while she was at work.
"This is why I'm suggesting you're bored, you're engaging in chit-chat with your friend," Mr Johnson puts to Letby.
The defendant said this wasn't unique to her.
"All members of staff use their phone," she tells the court.
Mr Johnson asks if Letby spends "a lot of time texting" when working in nurseries three and four on the neonatal unit - for babies with a lower level of care need.
"I text regardless of where I am during the shift," the nurse responds.
She says all staff "would say the same thing if they were being honest".
Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court
Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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No problem---I won't be doing them much longer, the sun just came up here in Sunny Southern California...
Interesting to how one min she says she can’t speak for others etc, but here she says if others are honest- they on their phones too.
Makes great sense, not.
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LL: "I text regardless where I am on shift."
NJ: "Even with an ITU baby [in room 1]?"
LL: "Yes, and I think everyone else would say the same if they were honest."
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NJ: "Even with an ITU baby [in room 1]?"
LL: "Yes, and I think everyone else would say the same if they were honest."
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby
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Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC is continuing to ask Lucy Letby about texting. "Were you bored?" he asks.
Letby replies: "No".
Then Johnson says: "As a matter of fact do you spend a lot of time texting when you're in nursery three?"
Letby says: "I text regardless of where I am on shift."
Johnson responds: "Even when you’re looking after an ITU (intensive care) baby?"
Letby says: "Yes, at times when they’re not needing care, and I think everyone would say the same if they were honest".
Letby says she texts regardless of where she is
Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC is continuing to ask Lucy Letby about texting. "Were you bored?" he asks.
Letby replies: "No".
Then Johnson says: "As a matter of fact do you spend a lot of time texting when you're in nursery three?"
Letby says: "I text regardless of where I am on shift."
Johnson responds: "Even when you’re looking after an ITU (intensive care) baby?"
Letby says: "Yes, at times when they’re not needing care, and I think everyone would say the same if they were honest".
2:32pm
Letby says she was working in nursery 1 "at points" during the shift. She accepts that following Child B's collapse, she was in room 1.
A document for a TPN bag and lipid administration is signed by Letby, at 11.40pm on June 9.
Letby says an observation form at what appears to be 0010 has what Letby accepts could be her handwriting. It is similar to the writing in the next column, which is initialled by Letby.
A blood gas record is shown for 12.16am. Letby accepts she is there at that time as two nurses are needed to carry out the test.
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Letby says she was working in nursery 1 "at points" during the shift. She accepts that following Child B's collapse, she was in room 1.
A document for a TPN bag and lipid administration is signed by Letby, at 11.40pm on June 9.
Letby says an observation form at what appears to be 0010 has what Letby accepts could be her handwriting. It is similar to the writing in the next column, which is initialled by Letby.
A blood gas record is shown for 12.16am. Letby accepts she is there at that time as two nurses are needed to carry out the test.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
I agree so much about her throwing out excuses and answers expecting the KC to just accept them ..almost teenage like
Oh and here it was... Just a couple of hours ago..
NJ: "Have you ever sent texts to your friends while giving an NGT feed?"
LL: "No." Letby says that would be inappropriate and impractical. She says the times on the feed charts would be done to the next 15 minutes - [such as, for 9am, that feed would be between 8.45am-9.15am].
Letby says she has never used her phone in a clinical area.
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NJ: "Have you ever sent texts to your friends while giving an NGT feed?"
LL: "No." Letby says that would be inappropriate and impractical. She says the times on the feed charts would be done to the next 15 minutes - [such as, for 9am, that feed would be between 8.45am-9.15am].
Letby says she has never used her phone in a clinical area.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby
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He says: "You had migrated back into nursery one hadn't you?"
Letby answers that some procedures needed to be signed off by two nurses, and that's why she was there.
Johnson challenges Letby: "You injected baby B with air, didn't you?"
She replies: "No I didn't."
Letby denies injecting baby B with air
Nick Johnson KC shows the court medical records relating to baby B (who was in nursery one), which have Lucy Letby's signature on, even though the babies she was tasked with caring for that night were in a different room.He says: "You had migrated back into nursery one hadn't you?"
Letby answers that some procedures needed to be signed off by two nurses, and that's why she was there.
Johnson challenges Letby: "You injected baby B with air, didn't you?"
She replies: "No I didn't."
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Mr Johnson says 'you didn't use your phone in clinical areas', Ms Letby says that she did not use her phone in the nurseries
He again asks, 'were you bored'. She responds 'no'
Mr Johnson is focusing his line of questioning on Ms Letby 'migrating back into nursery one' during her shift on 9 June. He pulls up various obs charts on which there are signatures that Ms Letby says are 'potentially' hers, he says this is her heading back to n1
She says 'that's an expected course' and that she may have been in there to 'support' another nurse
Mr Johnson says 'you injected (Child B) with air didn’t you' She says 'no I didn’t'
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