UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #22

[ColourPurple]

Court takes a break​

We're on another break - court will resume shortly.

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue
We're now on a 15min break - I'll be filing further updates here

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-65602988

Letby shown medical notes relating to baby B​

The court is shown a neonatal intensive care chart, a blood gas record, and medication forms relating to baby B.
Lucy Letby was not the baby's designated nurse at that time, but her signature is on these documents.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Funny how she now ‘accepts what her colleagues say’ and that she is ‘relying on her colleagues statements being accurate’ now but has accused multiple colleagues of lying and being part of a conspiaracy against her. Her credibility has flew out the window IMO.

Also interesting she acknowledges she had opportunity to access the lines of both baby A and B. Very interesting.

 

[Tortoise]

One doctor previously told the court they had not witnessed the colouration Child B had before.

Asked if she accepts this, Letby says "yes, but it was not said to me". She says she agrees it was said but does not remember the conversation happening.

I wonder why she thinks the doctor asked her to get the camera.

 

[Googysleuth]

Given that a baby's death is relatively infrequent (thankfully), how can you not recall something so deeply harrowing as a father prostrate on the ground howling for his newborn? I think any medical professional, no matter how many years they have served, would recall at least some aspect of that moment. I'm not in the medical profession so not conditioned to it, but I don't think it would be possible for me to forget it. Now add to that equation the allegation that she deliberately caused the death and therefore the father's emotional state, it would be a reaction she must reasonably have anticipated, and therefore would remember it. So either way, it smacks of a pointless lie in the witness box. MOO

 

[katydid23]

Rather than what she’d be better off saying, maybe she’s just saying what she actually remembers.

If she’s not guilty, and truly believes she’s been scapegoated, then why would she say she saw something she didn’t?

Interesting turn of events---she has now accepted the testimony of the 5 colleagues, whom all described the mottled rashes on Babies A and B.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I distinctly recall that from months back! How could she not?

if it was nothi personally significant to her, that’s a detail one might forget. It’s another example of something one wouldn’t lie about.

 

[ColourPurple]

I wonder why she thinks the doctor asked her to get the camera.

Exactly!. It was unusual enough for her to ask LL to get the camera. Of course, sadly the rash had disappeared by the time LL returned with the camera. Should've just took a pic on her phone.

 

[Tortoise]

Posted at 15:1215:12

Heads up...​

Dan O'Donoghue
Reporting from court
We're having a change of staff here - Dan O'Donoghue will be telling us what's happening in court for the rest of the day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

 

[Googysleuth]

if it was nothi personally significant to her, that’s a detail one might forget. It’s another example of something one wouldn’t lie about.

I don't see how it couldn't be significant to her. Put yourself in that moment. What a dreadful thing to witness, for anyone. In my opinion, if a lie, it's an astonishing misstep.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m really really starting to Question this individuals honesty.

looking at the evidence I’m finding her response in police interview about the AE or not knowing what it was to be unbelievable. I can understand not knowing everything about them but to give that short answer with no follow up seems like deflection to me. Pledging ignorance almost like she knew the implications and was being cagey and defensive.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't see how it couldn't be significant to her. Put yourself in that moment. What a dreadful thing to witness, for anyone. In my opinion, if a lie, it's an astonishing misstep.

Probably because she doesn't want it shown too many times that what she said to the police (about not remembering the parents) was a lie. She might not have remembered she'd texted about it at the time she was in police interview. IMO

 

[WaxLyrical]

Interesting turn of events---she has now accepted the testimony of the 5 colleagues, whom all described the mottled rashes on Babies A and B.

I don’t think there’s ever been any dispute around mottling being present, the dispute is around whether it’s standard mottling or whether it’s some kind of special air embolism fluttering mottling.

Biggest thing for me is her saying she doesn’t remember the dad on the floor. No way you would forget an image like that. Especially when it was important enough for her to text someone about it. IMO.

 

[marynnu]

I don't see how it couldn't be significant to her. Put yourself in that moment. What a dreadful thing to witness, for anyone. In my opinion, if a lie, it's an astonishing misstep.

I agree. I don't remember many events from the hundreds of babies I cared for, but I think anyone would remember this.

 

[katydid23]

Posted at 15:1215:12

Heads up...​

Dan O'Donoghue
Reporting from court
We're having a change of staff here - Dan O'Donoghue will be telling us what's happening in court for the rest of the day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

I won't be posting any more of Dan today.... ZZZZZZZZ

 

[Tortoise]

Posted at 15:2215:22

Letby now being asked about baby C​

Dan O'Donoghue
At Manchester Crown Court
Prosecutor Nick Johnson KC is back on his feet after a short break.
He is now turning to baby C, who the jury have previously heard was born in "good condition" and stable after his premature birth in early June 2015.
The boy stopped breathing without warning on 13 June while being treated in the unit's nursery one.
Prosecutors have said Ms Letby, who was then designated nurse for a child in nursery three, was in his nursery at the time and caused his collapse by inserting air into his stomach via a nasogastric tube.
He was pronounced dead on 14 June.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

 

[Tortoise]

I won't be posting any more of Dan today.... ZZZZZZZZ

Your sleep pattern is going to be well off by the time this trial is out. You'll be nocturnal.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I don’t know why I find it so funny that they keep reporting that Nick J is on his feet. Like, get the man a chair or something!

 

[ColourPurple]

I’m really really starting to Question this individuals honesty.

looking at the evidence I’m finding her response in police interview about the AE or not knowing what it was to be unbelievable. I can understand not knowing everything about them but to give that short answer with no follow up seems like deflection to me. Pledging ignorance almost like she knew the implications and was being cagey and defensive.

But you've known about her interview response for months ...

 

[Tortoise]

3:25pm

Mr Johnson turns to the case of Child C.
Letby is asked to look at her defence statement.
Letby recalls she did not believe she was in room 1, and cannot recall how she ended up in room 1 - possibly it was as a result of Child C's alarm going off.
Letby, in her statement, said she had been involved in speaking to the family afterwards, but not to the extent Child C's mother had said.
Mr Johnson said a nurse had given evidence to say Letby had to be removed from the family room after Child C died.
Mr Johnson says Letby's "vague" recollection of events is untrue.
LL: "I don't agree with that."
NJ: "I'm going to suggest you enjoyed what happened, and that was why you were in the family room."
LL: "No."
Letby is asked why she did not remember Child C in police interview. Letby says she remembered once provided with further details.
She adds: "I don't know how [child C] died." She rules out staffing levels, medical incompetencies, or someone making a mistake.

3:27pm

Mr Johnson says this is a case where one of the nursing notes, by Yvonne Griffiths, was 'misfiled' to a different baby, and was, after Child C died, refiled back to Child C.
Mr Johnson asks Letby if nursing notes, timestamped by their start and end, are editable.
Letby: "No."
The court hears because of this, the note had to be re-entered into the system.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

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