UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #23

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  • #301
Baby E :( absolutely heartbreaking. There was no reason for his collapse and death. LL attempting to blame her colleagues for this is just terrible, when from the prosecutions evidence we can assume that something could have been done at 9pm if she had reported the bleeding when it was witnessed by baby E’s mum. This is going to be so upsetting today. Poor parents having to listen to this…
MOO
 
  • #302
@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby tells the court that "It's a contributory issue if the unit is dirty. We used to have raw sewage coming out of the sinks in nursery one (intensive care). That’s not a safe working environment, I’m not sure what impact that could have on a poorly baby

@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC asks nurse Letby if she ever made a formal complaint notification to the hospital authorities about raw sewage coming out of the sinks. She says she didn't
 
  • #303
Oh there was sewage coming into the nursery room and the unit was ‘dirty’.. yet she never filed a Datix form to report this?

I still fail to see how dirt can cause a massive internal bleed and air embolism. The lies have started already IMO
 
  • #304
10:53am

Letby says it was "an important thing to know" that plumbing issues were a potential contributory factor to the decline of babies' health in the unit.
She said "raw sewage" would come out of the sinks in nursery room 1, as flowback from another unit.
Mr Johnson asks if Letby ever filled in a Datix form for that. Letby says she did not.
Mr Johnson says Letby did fill in a Datix form for Child E.
The form is shown to the court. It is dated August 4, 2015, at 5.53am, which is when the form was signed and filed.
It is classed as a 'clinical incident'.
The risk grading was 'high potential harm'. Letby says she is "not sure about that", as it also says 'Actual harm: None (No harm caused).
It refers to the death of Child E at 1.40am. 'Description: Unexpected death following GI bleed. Full resus unsuccessful. Time of death 01:40.'
The baby's history is recorded in the events leading up to his death. It was filled in by the incident review group panel.
Letby's input on the panel is reporting the incident on the first page of the nine-page report.

 
  • #305
10:56am

Letby is asked if she remembers sending a text message to Jennifer Jones-Key saying it was "too Q word" on August 2, 2015. Letby says she cannot recall, but accepts that would be something she could send.
The 'Q word' is 'quiet', the court hears.
Letby says "there is always something to do", but "sometimes they can be long nights if you haven't got many babies".
She says she enjoyed being busy "when it was managed".

 
  • #306
@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC: "Were you very confident in your abilities?" Lucy Letby: "In my clinical ability? Yes" NJKC: "Did you think you were a cut above some of the other nurses?" LL: "No
 
  • #307
Interesting that LL filed a Datix form about child E, explaining what happened to him. If guilty, could this have been filed due to baby E’s mother walking in to find her baby bleeding and screaming and then told to leave by LL.. was she trying to get the report in first incase baby E’s mum raised a complaint about LL, was she trying to cover her tracks? I wonder when it was filed?

NJ seems to be going easy on LL today for some reason. I wonder why? Has BM complained about his approach when confronting LL?

ETA.. I see it was filed 5.53am on august 4th now.

IMO
 
  • #308
11:01am

Letby is asked why she, and not Child E's designated nurse Melanie Taylor, signed a correction to a prescription for Child E. Letby says it's standard practice for two nurses to administer prescriptions, and corrections on the form are not based on seniority. She agrees she was keen to raise issues if they needed correcting.
NJ: "Had you fallen out with Melanie Taylor by this stage?"
LL: "No."
Letby denies she had fallen out with anyone.
She agrees she had confidence in her clinical competencies.
NJ: "Do you agree you were a cut above some other nurses, including Mel?"
LL: "No."

 
  • #309
Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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We're now moving to the nightshift of August 3/4 2015. Ms Letby was the designated nurse for Child E and F (who were twins) in nursery one
 
  • #310
Interesting that LL filed a Datix form about child E, explaining what happened to him. If guilty, could this have been filed due to baby E’s mother walking in to find her baby bleeding and screaming and then told to leave by LL.. was she trying to get the report in first incase baby E’s mum raised a complaint about LL, was she trying to cover her tracks? I wonder when it was filed?

NJ seems to be going easy on LL today for some reason. I wonder why? Has BM complained about his approach when confronting LL?

IMO
 
  • #311
@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby tells the court that "It's a contributory issue if the unit is dirty. We used to have raw sewage coming out of the sinks in nursery one (intensive care). That’s not a safe working environment, I’m not sure what impact that could have on a poorly baby

@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC asks nurse Letby if she ever made a formal complaint notification to the hospital authorities about raw sewage coming out of the sinks. She says she didn't

What absolute nonsense JMO.
 
  • #312
@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby agrees that baby E did not have any gastro-intestinal problems before she came on duty.
 
  • #313
Perhaps she was keen that the 'GI bleed' was recorded.
 
  • #314
11:08am

A nursing note for Child E from the evening of August 3, 2015 is shown. Letby agrees he was progressing well, although he needed insulin.
Letby agrees Child E at this stage showed no sign of gastro-intenstinal problems.
A rota is shown to the court, showing Letby was the desingated nurse for Child E and Child F in room 1. No other babies/nurses were allocated in that room that night.
Letby is asked if there was anything wrong with this arrangement. Letby: "No."
Mr Johnson says when Letby was giving evidence to Mr Myers, she said when the mother arrived at the unit, she was "bringing milk". Letby says she does not recall from her memory. Mr Johnson says that was what she said on May 5.
Letby: "I can't recall right here right now."
Letby says she cannot remember it specifically, but accepted that version of events. "I don't have any clear memory."
Mr Johnson refers to the transcript from that day, in which Letby told Benjamin Myers KC she believed Child E's mother had arrived at the unit bringing expressed breast milk.
Letby says: "I said 'I think' she brought expressed breast milk." She says it's the same thing.

 
  • #315
@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby tells the court that "It's a contributory issue if the unit is dirty. We used to have raw sewage coming out of the sinks in nursery one (intensive care). That’s not a safe working environment, I’m not sure what impact that could have on a poorly baby

@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC asks nurse Letby if she ever made a formal complaint notification to the hospital authorities about raw sewage coming out of the sinks. She says she didn't
Still, either way.. not sure how raw sewage would impact baby bleeding.
JMO
 
  • #316
She keeps saying this stuff not understanding that if Myers didn’t put this to the staff who had previously testified, it cannot be part of her defence without opening a strong chance that KC NJ can reopen the prosecution and call the staff as rebuttal witnesses. The judge and jury just doesn’t have to take her word for it. Unless of course my memory is incorrect and Myers asked any of the doctors and nurses about the plumbing previously?
 
  • #317
If guilty, I wonder if baby E needing a small amount of insulin is connected to the fact that baby F was then poisoned with insulin shortly after… could the mention of insulin have given the perpetrator an idea for baby F or is that just another ‘coincidence’ MOO
 
  • #318







Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Jury are now in court and Ms Letby is back in the witness box for the fourth day of cross examination. Mr Johnson asks Ms Letby if she would like to review anything she has said previously, she said no

Mr Johnson is turning to Child E. He was born prematurely in late July 2015 and initially needed breathing support, but later stabilised. The court heard that on 3 August, his mother heard him crying and found him with "blood coming out of his mouth".

The child's mother told the jury she recalled Ms Letby was standing at a nearby work station. Child E later deteriorated and despite medical efforts, later died on 4 August.

A medical expert for the prosecution said the blood loss he suffered could have been the result of an "inappropriate" use of a medical tool and his death was the result of internal bleeding and an injection of air.

Ms Letby is asked if medical incompetence contributed to Child E's death, she said 'possibly yes'

Asked to clarify, she says it could have been the responsibility of the medical team on that night. She says the doctors 'could have acted sooner' to respond to Child E's bleeding issue

Ms Letby also goes on to say that a 'contributing factor' could have been the unit being dirty - she says that the neonatal unit had a plumbing issues, with sewage coming out of sinks in nursery one

She says 'potentially that’s not a safe working environment' - Mr Johnson asks if she ever reported this via a a DATIX form, she says 'not personally no'

Jury are currently being shown a DATIX form that was raised by Ms Letby in relation to Child E. It contains a history of the baby boy, what happened and has contributions from consultants who reviewed the case

Ms Letby says the extent of her contribution on the form was reporting his death

Mr Johnson is now pulling up a timeline of events. He says Ms Letby was working the nightshift on August 2 to 3 2015 - he shows the court a text Ms Letby sent to a friend at 22:35 on 2 August in which she said the unit was 'too q word’

Ms Letby says it 'sometimes gets very quiet' on the unit and there can be a of 'sitting round'. She said she was 'there to help babies' She adds 'sometimes shifts can be long nights if you haven’t got as many babies on unit'

Mr Johnson asks her if she enjoyed being busy, she said she 'enjoyed being busy when it was managed'

Mr Johnson asks Ms Letby if she was confident in her abilities as a nurse, she says 'yes'. He asks her if she felt she was a 'cut above' some of the other nurses, she says 'no'
 
  • #319
11:15am

Mr Johnson asks about the significance of 9pm that night. Letby says: "I don't know what you mean."

IMO - she knows exactly what he means…

MOO
 
  • #320
@JudithMoritz
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Earlier in the trial, the court heard evidence from baby E's mother who says she came into the unit to bring expressed milk for her son at 9pm, and discovered that her son was bleeding. Lucy Letby disputes this and says the bleed happened later
 
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