UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #23

[Becky53]

@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC: "You killed baby E didn’t you?" Lucy Letby: "No" NJKC: "You injected him with air" LL: "No" NJKCL: "Just as you had done with other babies before" LL: "No" NJKC: "Why in the aftermath were you so obsessed with Baby E’s mother?" LL: "I don’t think I was obsessed"


@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby asked why she searched for baby E's mum on Facebook. Says "She was on my mind and when I think of people I often search for them" NJKC: "You were looking to see what reaction you’d got from this grieving family weren’t you?" LL: "No"

@JudithMoritz
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NJKC: "Didn’t you have better things to do on Christmas day than to search (online) for baby E’s mother?" LL: "No I often thought of babies E and F" NJKC: "Because you killed one and tried to kill the other" LL: "No because I thought me and their mum had a good relationship"

 

[Tortoise]

Now12:47

Recap: Who is Child G?​

The prosecution is now moving on to the case of Child G. This is a baby girl who survived.
Letby faces three counts of attempted murder in relation to the infant.
The prosecution alleges Letby overfed Child G with milk through a nasogastric tube or injected air into the same tube.
On 6 September she was fed an excessive amount of milk and vomited out of her cot onto a nearby chair.
She was moved back to the hospital where she was born and recovered.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com

 

[Tortoise]

She was moved back to the hospital where she was born and recovered.

She was left permanently severely disabled. I'm not sure recovered is the right word to use.

 

[Tortoise]

Now12:51

Child G 'attacked' as she was due to go home​

Child G was born extremely premature, at a different hospital, before being moved to the Countess of Chester.
Letby initially claims she did not remember Child G's due date.
But a September 2015 text shown to the court says: "Due date today!"
"By the time she arrived at Chester [Hospital], she was fine, wasn't she?" Nick Johnson, barrister for the prosecution, asks.
"I don't agree she was fine, she had a number of ongoing issues," Letby replies.
The prosecution says Child G was due to go home when she first collapsed - she was in nursery four, the one for the lowest dependency babies.
Letby disputes this.
"Are you exaggerating her problems?" Mr Johnson asks.
"No," Letby replies.
She says Child G was still being tube fed and needed a higher level of care. But the prosecution asks Letby what specific problems the infant may have had that meant she wasn't due to go home imminently.
"As of the 7 September, what were the unusual problems that Child G had?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I can't answer that," says Letby.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com

 

[DinerMite]

I'm confused on this exchange:

Letby says she cannot recall what Child G's due date would have been [Child G having been born at a gestational age of 23 weeks and 6 days on May 31, with the date of one of the events "not standing out" to her.

A message from Letby's phone to a colleague: "Due date today!"

Letby says she knew at the time [September 21, 2015].

Letby says the date of the event for Child G was "a coincidence".

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So she is asked if she knows the due date and she disagrees but a text is shown that she sent on 21 Sept saying due date today? Although the baby was born May? Or is she saying she knew at the time (Sept 21) it was 100 days? I'm lost.

 

[Becky53]

@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC turns to asking Lucy Letby about the next baby - baby G. A little girl who the nurse is alleged to have tried to murder on three occasions in September 2015. She denies the charges.


@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby says that baby G had "a lot of ongoing health issues as a result of her extreme prematurity". Nick Johnson KC asks her if she's exaggerating the baby's problems. The nurse says she isn't.

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue


Mr Johnson asks Ms Letby about Facebook searches carried out for the parents of Child E and F - one of which was on Christmas Day. He asks her if she didn't have anything better to do - she says she often thought of the twins

We're now moving to Child G (Nick Johnson says we will return to Child F at a later point). She was born in May 2015 and was the most premature of all the babies and had a number of "septic" or "suspected septic" episodes in the weeks after her birth.

The court heard that in mid-August 2015, she was transferred from Wirral's Arrowe Park Hospital and was "clinically stable" until 7 September, when she projectile vomited at about 02:00 BST.

Prosecutors say Ms Letby overfed Child G with milk through a nasogastric tube or injected air into the same tube and made two more attempts to kill her on 21 September. Jurors have heard the child now has quadriplegic cerebral palsy and requires round-the-clock care.

Mr Johnson says the 21 September was significant as this was the baby girl's full term due date. That coincided with some of the events - Ms Letby tells the court 'all it is is a coincidence'

 

[Tortoise]

I'm confused on this exchange:

Letby says she cannot recall what Child G's due date would have been [Child G having been born at a gestational age of 23 weeks and 6 days on May 31, with the date of one of the events "not standing out" to her.

A message from Letby's phone to a colleague: "Due date today!"

Letby says she knew at the time [September 21, 2015].

Letby says the date of the event for Child G was "a coincidence".

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So she is asked if she knows the due date and she disagrees but a text is shown that she sent on 21 Sept saying due date today? Although the baby was born May? Or is she saying she knew at the time (Sept 21) it was 100 days? I'm lost.

She was 100 days on the day of the 1st incident and two weeks later it was her due date on the date of the 2nd and 3rd incidents.

She's saying she doesn't remember now but knew at the time.

 

[Becky53]

@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby agrees that before baby G first projectile vomited, all her observations and signs had been good.

 

[katydid23]

I'm confused on this exchange:

Letby says she cannot recall what Child G's due date would have been [Child G having been born at a gestational age of 23 weeks and 6 days on May 31, with the date of one of the events "not standing out" to her.

A message from Letby's phone to a colleague: "Due date today!"

Letby says she knew at the time [September 21, 2015].

Letby says the date of the event for Child G was "a coincidence".

----

So she is asked if she knows the due date and she disagrees but a text is shown that she sent on 21 Sept saying due date today? Although the baby was born May? Or is she saying she knew at the time (Sept 21) it was 100 days? I'm lost.

Prosecutors say Ms Letby overfed Child G with milk through a nasogastric tube or injected air into the same tube and made two more attempts to kill her on 21 September. Jurors have heard the child now has quadriplegic cerebral palsy and requires round-the-clock care.

Mr Johnson says the 21 September was significant as this was the baby girl's full term due date. That coincided with some of the events - Ms Letby tells the court 'all it is is a coincidence'
Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue

 

[Tortoise]

1:00pm

Letby denies that Child G was ready to go home by the date of the first event on September 7, saying babies in the special care room, nursery 4, can still be there for several weeks.
Letby says Child G had a number of previous problems including relating to feeding, and had sepsis.
Letby says Child G was on oxygen and had feeding issues by September 7, 2015.
Mr Johnson asks Letby to look at Child G's nursing records for her days leading up to her projectile vomit. Letby agrees there is nothing "unusual" in those days.
Feeding charts are shown for Child G for September 5 and 6. Child G is being fed expressed breast milk via the NGT or bottle. Letby agrees the picture is looking good for Child G from these charts.
Mr Johnson says the feed at 11pm on September 6 would not have been done twice by mistake. Letby says she has never suggested that has happened.
Letby agrees the observations for Child G before 2am on September 7 are "good".
NJ: "You knew this was day 100 of [Child G's] ife, didn't you?"
LL: "Yes."
NJ: "It was a big day for her."
LL: "Yes."
Letby agrees she and other nurses would celebrate 100-day-old babies on the unit, and a banner had been prepared to mark the occasion.
A staffing rota for the night shift of September 6-7 is shown to the court. Letby is in room 1 as the designated nurse for one baby, and Ailsa Simpson is the designated nurse for one other baby in room 1. A nursing colleague is in room 2 as the designated nurse for Child G.
Letby rules out staffing levels or staff incompetence as a contributory factor in Child G's death.
Asked if anyone had made a mistake, Letby says "potentially", Child G had been overfed by a nursing colleague, but that was not what she was saying had happened.
Letby: "I can't say for definite that didn't happen. I'm not saying she did do that, but it is a possibility."
Letby says it is a "possibility" the amount of milk was mismeasured when calculating the feed.
NJ: "Are you suggesting it's a realistic possibility?"
LL: "No."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Becky53]

@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby says "it's a possibility" that another nurse (who the media can't identify because of court order) "might have overfed baby G"

@JudithMoritz
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Court is breaking for lunch. Back after 2pm.

 

[Tortoise]

Now13:04

Child G was doing good before she collapsed​

Letby has claimed Child G still needed oxygen - but charts from the time show this was removed two days prior.
"I know she was back on it by the 7 September," Letby says.
"Of course, she was because by that point she had brain damage," prosecution lawyer Mr Johnson replies.
He then asks: "Would you agree, all the signs on the 5th are good?"
"Yes."
Letby also agrees Child G's vitals were "good" the following day.
"Do you agree the picture shown by the data is a good one?" Mr Johnson asks.
"Yes."
Child G first collapsed as she celebrated a particular life milestone - which the staff had been planning to mark.
A text Letby sent to a colleague after the first collapse is show to the court.
It said: "Awful isn't it. We'd all been sat at desk at start of night making banner".

Now13:05

Letby says 'possibility' her colleague overfed Child G​

Letby says there is "a possibility" her colleague overfed Child G.
In the first incident, the infant was fed an excessive amount of milk and vomited out of her cot onto a nearby chair.
"I don't believe she would have but potentially she mis-measured the amount of mls," Letby says.
Mr Johnson asks her if this is a "realistic possibility".
"No," she says.

Now13:05

Court adjourns for lunch​

It will resume just after 2pm.

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-let...ws-blog-12868375?postid=5956740#liveblog-body

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com

 

[Legal]

So potential causes of death according to LL:

Child E - raw sewage/ haemorrhage/ doctors reacted too late to loss of blood
Child G - nurse overfed her

 

[Sundial]

@JudithMoritz
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Lucy Letby says "it's a possibility" that another nurse (who the media can't identify because of court order) "might have overfed baby G"

@JudithMoritz
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Court is breaking for lunch. Back after 2pm.

Next to take possible blame, designated nurse for baby G. It’s odd how the accused claimed things like her practice, competencies or maybe she missed something; yet NOW we hear she was competent (as she has also testified) and she appears to pass the book quite a lot to pretty much everyone who was working on that unit.
JMO
EBM

 

[katydid23]

I'm going to sleep, but I'll sleep well because N Johnson has this cross well under control.

I really wanted the Baby E case to be explained well because LL was really caught out by her own lies and missteps. NJ did a great job going step by step and illustrating the cunning lies in her notes and her manipulations.

 

[Dcflag]

So it’s a possibility the nurse for child g might have over fed her but it’s never a possibility that she herself might’ve made an error or mistake

 

[Sundial]

So it’s a possibility the nurse for child g might have over fed her but it’s never a possibility that she herself might’ve made an error or mistake

Well, it could be possible, and when it’s demonstrated by her own lies it appears she then “can’t recall”
Moo

 

[katydid23]

Next to take possible blame, designated nurse for baby G. It’s odd how the accused claimed things like her practice, competencies or maybe she missed something; yet NOW we hear she was competent (as she has also testified) and she appears to pass the book quite a lot to pretty much everyone who was working on that unit.
JMO
EBM

Your post makes me think that the post-it notes she wrote, where she explained them by saying 'she was worried she was not competent' ----that explanation will not seem believable anymore, after hearing how she thinks everyone else is dangerously incompetent and she is the only capable one.

 

[katydid23]

NJKC: "Didn’t you have better things to do on Christmas day than to search (online) for baby E’s mother?" LL: "No I often thought of babies E and F" NJKC: "Because you killed one and tried to kill the other" LL: "No because I thought me and their mum had a good relationship"


WTH??? That^^^ is creepy that she says she and baby E's mum 'had a good relationship.' She is basically calling mum and Dad liars but she thinks they had a good connection?