UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #23
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Lucy Letby agrees that it's true that baby G vomited forcefully onto the floor and chair. She's asked why she didn't say this to the police when she was first interviewed about the allegation. She denies that she was lying to detectives.
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NJKC - "This is an extraordinary event, the like of which you hadn’t seen before". LL - "I have seen it but not on a neonate" NJKC - "It would have stuck in your mind so why didn't you mention it to the police?" LL - "It was an oversight"
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Lucy Letby agrees that it's true that baby G vomited forcefully onto the floor and chair. She's asked why she didn't say this to the police when she was first interviewed about the allegation. She denies that she was lying to detectives.
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NJKC - "This is an extraordinary event, the like of which you hadn’t seen before". LL - "I have seen it but not on a neonate" NJKC - "It would have stuck in your mind so why didn't you mention it to the police?" LL - "It was an oversight"
5m ago14:26
"To have fed Child G twice as much presumably would have taken twice as long?" Mr Johnson asks.
"Yes," Letby replies.
Letby says the experts presented evidence of overfeeding.
"How would they know? Which experts?" Mr Johnson asks.
Letby takes a sip of her water and does not reply to this question, staring straight ahead in silence.
Mr Johnson then asks about the scene when Letby and her colleagues discovered Child G had vomited onto the floor.
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Silence as Letby does not reply to prosecution question
Nick Johnson, the prosecution barrister, is continuing to question Letby's claims her colleague (who cannot be named for legal reasons) overfed Child G."To have fed Child G twice as much presumably would have taken twice as long?" Mr Johnson asks.
"Yes," Letby replies.
Letby says the experts presented evidence of overfeeding.
"How would they know? Which experts?" Mr Johnson asks.
Letby takes a sip of her water and does not reply to this question, staring straight ahead in silence.
Mr Johnson then asks about the scene when Letby and her colleagues discovered Child G had vomited onto the floor.
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2:33pm
Mr Johnson refers to Dr Alison Ventress's notes 'Called to r/v [Child G] at 2.35'.
He says that is an accurate time, and Letby had misstated the time so Letby's colleague could instead be blamed for overfeeding, and Letby overfed Child G.
Letby: "That's not true."
Mr Johnson asks where the air came from before 'Neopuffing'. Letby says she cannot say without looking at the nursing notes.
Letby's note: '...45mls milk obtained from NG Tube with air++...'
The note does not mention Neopuffing. Letby says that is "an oversight".
Mr Johnson: "The truth is that you injected [Child G] with milk and air, didn't you?"
Letby: "No."
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Mr Johnson refers to Dr Alison Ventress's notes 'Called to r/v [Child G] at 2.35'.
He says that is an accurate time, and Letby had misstated the time so Letby's colleague could instead be blamed for overfeeding, and Letby overfed Child G.
Letby: "That's not true."
Mr Johnson asks where the air came from before 'Neopuffing'. Letby says she cannot say without looking at the nursing notes.
Letby's note: '...45mls milk obtained from NG Tube with air++...'
The note does not mention Neopuffing. Letby says that is "an oversight".
Mr Johnson: "The truth is that you injected [Child G] with milk and air, didn't you?"
Letby: "No."
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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Mr Johnson points to the notes of a doctor on shift who recorded being bleeped to attend at 2.35 as evidence the collapse happened at 2.30
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Mr Johnson accuses Ms Letby of moving the time forward to 2.15 as it creates a 'more obvious link' to another nurse 'feeding the child', he says 'you wanted to create the impression that two events were linked' She denies this
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Mr Johnson says 'in fact the reason (Child G) collapsed and the reason you aspirated so much air and milk from her is that you deliberately overfed her…you did it by putting milk into syringe and forcing air and milk into her' She says 'no, that's not true'
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Mr Johnson points to the notes of a doctor on shift who recorded being bleeped to attend at 2.35 as evidence the collapse happened at 2.30
@MrDanDonoghue
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Mr Johnson accuses Ms Letby of moving the time forward to 2.15 as it creates a 'more obvious link' to another nurse 'feeding the child', he says 'you wanted to create the impression that two events were linked' She denies this
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Mr Johnson says 'in fact the reason (Child G) collapsed and the reason you aspirated so much air and milk from her is that you deliberately overfed her…you did it by putting milk into syringe and forcing air and milk into her' She says 'no, that's not true'
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Todays evidence from Letby is utterly insane.
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Nick Johnson KC suggests that Lucy Letby deliberately falsified nursing notes to bring the time of the baby's vomit forward in the documentation. She denies this.
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NJKC: "The reason you’ve done that is so there’s a more obvious link between your best friend (another nurse) feeding the baby and the vomit" LL: "No" NJKC: "Because you wanted to create the impression that the two events are linked" LL: "No"
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Nick Johnson KC: "The reason baby G collapsed and you aspirated so much air from her is that you deliberately overfed her" Lucy Letby: "That’s not true" NJKC: "And you did it by putting milk into the syringe and using it to force air and milk into her" LL: "No that's not true"
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Nick Johnson KC suggests that Lucy Letby deliberately falsified nursing notes to bring the time of the baby's vomit forward in the documentation. She denies this.
@JudithMoritz
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NJKC: "The reason you’ve done that is so there’s a more obvious link between your best friend (another nurse) feeding the baby and the vomit" LL: "No" NJKC: "Because you wanted to create the impression that the two events are linked" LL: "No"
@JudithMoritz
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Nick Johnson KC: "The reason baby G collapsed and you aspirated so much air from her is that you deliberately overfed her" Lucy Letby: "That’s not true" NJKC: "And you did it by putting milk into the syringe and using it to force air and milk into her" LL: "No that's not true"
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Letby is asked to look at her second police interview for Child G.
In it, Letby said air had got in through the feeding syringe.
She tells the court it had been suggested to her as a possibility.
Mr Johnson refers to Child G's 3.15am collapse, with Dr Alison Ventress recalling 'blood-stained fluid coming up'.
Letby denies inserting something into Child G's airway and/or causing the deterioration.
Dr Ventress and a doctor colleague said '100ml of air/milk' had been aspirated from Child G following the 6.05am desaturation.
Letby says she does not recall the 100mls coming out, and asks if it was documented.
Dr Alison Ventress's note is shown to the court. It includes '...NG aspirated as abdo appeared v large ~100mls aspirated...'
Letby: "I don't know how the air got there. It's after Neopuffing."
She accepts the note as an account of what happened.
2:43pm
Letby is shown nursing notes made for the following day shift by a colleague. Letby agrees there are no signs Child G had a build-up of fluid or air from the notes made.
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Letby is asked to look at her second police interview for Child G.
In it, Letby said air had got in through the feeding syringe.
She tells the court it had been suggested to her as a possibility.
Mr Johnson refers to Child G's 3.15am collapse, with Dr Alison Ventress recalling 'blood-stained fluid coming up'.
Letby denies inserting something into Child G's airway and/or causing the deterioration.
Dr Ventress and a doctor colleague said '100ml of air/milk' had been aspirated from Child G following the 6.05am desaturation.
Letby says she does not recall the 100mls coming out, and asks if it was documented.
Dr Alison Ventress's note is shown to the court. It includes '...NG aspirated as abdo appeared v large ~100mls aspirated...'
Letby: "I don't know how the air got there. It's after Neopuffing."
She accepts the note as an account of what happened.
2:43pm
Letby is shown nursing notes made for the following day shift by a colleague. Letby agrees there are no signs Child G had a build-up of fluid or air from the notes made.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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Very interesting that when LL is asked to describe what experts and what evidence she’s referring to, she sipped some water and remained silent.
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'You have inserted something into (Child G's) airway haven't you?', Mr Johnson says. 'No', Ms Letby replies. He accuses the nurse of causing 'bleeding' in Child G's throat, 'as you have with many other of these children' Ms Letby says 'no, not true
@MrDanDonoghue
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We're now moving to the events of 21 September - the day Child G would have been full term
And a write up of this morning by Dan
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'You have inserted something into (Child G's) airway haven't you?', Mr Johnson says. 'No', Ms Letby replies. He accuses the nurse of causing 'bleeding' in Child G's throat, 'as you have with many other of these children' Ms Letby says 'no, not true
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We're now moving to the events of 21 September - the day Child G would have been full term
And a write up of this morning by Dan
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Mr Johnson refers to the second bout of vomiting on September 21, 2015. Letby said she thought she recalled the mother was there as it was during visiting time.
Letby had said she did not believe it was an emergency, and did not recall Child G "going blue".
Asked if she agrees with Child G's father that Child G was "not the same" after the first deterioration, Letby replies: "I can't comment on that, nobody knows their babies like the parents do."
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Mr Johnson refers to the second bout of vomiting on September 21, 2015. Letby said she thought she recalled the mother was there as it was during visiting time.
Letby had said she did not believe it was an emergency, and did not recall Child G "going blue".
Asked if she agrees with Child G's father that Child G was "not the same" after the first deterioration, Letby replies: "I can't comment on that, nobody knows their babies like the parents do."
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That is so very sad. I used to specialise in brain injury at birth cases - primarily acting for the NHS and such a condition would dictate a huge amount of care and might well be life limiting. :-(
I am surprised Mr Johnson didn't repeat the question due to LL remaining silent when he initially asked her that.
1m ago14:46
Where the vomit splatter reached is indicated on the image. Child G vomited out of her cot, onto the floor and onto a blue armchair positioned nearby.
Letby is asked if she had ever seen this before.
"Not in a neonate, no," she says.
In her police interview, Letby described the "large milky vomit" as down Child G's clothes - but did not specify where else it had gone.
Nick Johnson, for the prosecution, asks why she lied to the police, considering it was something she had never seen before in her career so would have "stuck in her mind".
"I haven't lied, it was in her cot, I just haven't in that moment specified where else it went," she says.
She adds that she wasn't "not telling the truth - it's an oversight I haven't mentioned it in interview".
Now14:46
Letby claims she and a colleague (who cannot be named for legal reasons) were at the nursing station at the time Child G collapsed.
But notes from the unit show this colleague was feeding a different baby at 2.15pm - and the length of time it would have taken for her to defrost and warm that baby's milk would have made it impossible to be where Letby says she was.
This colleague also says she was called to Child G at 2.35pm.
The prosecution says Letby changed the time to try to point suspicion in the direction of the colleague, who was her "best friend".
"No," Letby says.
"You deliberately overfed her," says Mr Johnson.
"No, that's not true," Letby says.
Now14:47
Mr Johnson: "You inserted something into Child G's airway, didn't you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Johnson: "You caused the bleeding, as you did with many of these children."
Letby: "No, that's not true."
Now14:48
"You went to visit Child G didn't you?" Nick Johnson, the prosecution barrister, asks.
"I didn't visit Child G, no. I went to do what I needed to do," she says, adding that she was sorting some documentation.
"Were you looking for an opportunity to finish her off?" Mr Johnson asks.
"No," Letby says.
Mr Johnson asks Letby about a statement from Child G's father that, on 7 September, she was no longer the same baby.
"I can't comment on that," Letby says - saying that nobody knows their own child like the parents.
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Letby: 'I haven't lied... it was an oversight'
The court is shown a picture of Child G's cot.Where the vomit splatter reached is indicated on the image. Child G vomited out of her cot, onto the floor and onto a blue armchair positioned nearby.
Letby is asked if she had ever seen this before.
"Not in a neonate, no," she says.
In her police interview, Letby described the "large milky vomit" as down Child G's clothes - but did not specify where else it had gone.
Nick Johnson, for the prosecution, asks why she lied to the police, considering it was something she had never seen before in her career so would have "stuck in her mind".
"I haven't lied, it was in her cot, I just haven't in that moment specified where else it went," she says.
She adds that she wasn't "not telling the truth - it's an oversight I haven't mentioned it in interview".
Now14:46
Letby tried to cast suspicions on her 'best friend'
The prosecution now says Letby "misrepresented" the time Child G vomited - which she says was 2.15pm.Letby claims she and a colleague (who cannot be named for legal reasons) were at the nursing station at the time Child G collapsed.
But notes from the unit show this colleague was feeding a different baby at 2.15pm - and the length of time it would have taken for her to defrost and warm that baby's milk would have made it impossible to be where Letby says she was.
This colleague also says she was called to Child G at 2.35pm.
The prosecution says Letby changed the time to try to point suspicion in the direction of the colleague, who was her "best friend".
"No," Letby says.
"You deliberately overfed her," says Mr Johnson.
"No, that's not true," Letby says.
Now14:47
Child G's attacks had 'echoes' of earlier infant deaths
Child G's attacks had "echoes" of the deaths of babies C and E, prosecuting barrister Nick Johnson says to Lucy Letby.Mr Johnson: "You inserted something into Child G's airway, didn't you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Johnson: "You caused the bleeding, as you did with many of these children."
Letby: "No, that's not true."
Now14:48
'Were you looking to finish her off?': Letby returned to neonatal unit after shift
After Letby finished her shift, she returned to the neonatal unit later that day - she claims to sign some paperwork."You went to visit Child G didn't you?" Nick Johnson, the prosecution barrister, asks.
"I didn't visit Child G, no. I went to do what I needed to do," she says, adding that she was sorting some documentation.
"Were you looking for an opportunity to finish her off?" Mr Johnson asks.
"No," Letby says.
Mr Johnson asks Letby about a statement from Child G's father that, on 7 September, she was no longer the same baby.
"I can't comment on that," Letby says - saying that nobody knows their own child like the parents.
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Previously in the trial a doctor said she'd seen bloody fluid coming from baby G's trachea. Nick Johnson KC: "You had inserted something into baby G’s airway hadn’t you?" Lucy Letby: "No" NJKC: "You caused the bleeding as you had with many other children" LL: "No that’s not true"
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NJKC: Do you remember what you were doing that night, when you were not in work? LL: “I went back into work to sign some documentation”.. (1/2)
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.. NJKC: “You went to visit baby G didn’t you?” LL: “I didn’t visit her. I was there to sign documentation” NJKC: “Were you looking for an opportunity to finish her off?” LL: “No” (2/2)
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Nick Johnson KC: "You had seen baby G many times on the unit. Do you agree with her father that she wasn’t the same, after the first incident (of vomiting)? Lucy Letby: "I can’t comment on that. Nobody knows the child like the parents do".
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Previously in the trial a doctor said she'd seen bloody fluid coming from baby G's trachea. Nick Johnson KC: "You had inserted something into baby G’s airway hadn’t you?" Lucy Letby: "No" NJKC: "You caused the bleeding as you had with many other children" LL: "No that’s not true"
@JudithMoritz
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NJKC: Do you remember what you were doing that night, when you were not in work? LL: “I went back into work to sign some documentation”.. (1/2)
@JudithMoritz
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.. NJKC: “You went to visit baby G didn’t you?” LL: “I didn’t visit her. I was there to sign documentation” NJKC: “Were you looking for an opportunity to finish her off?” LL: “No” (2/2)
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Nick Johnson KC: "You had seen baby G many times on the unit. Do you agree with her father that she wasn’t the same, after the first incident (of vomiting)? Lucy Letby: "I can’t comment on that. Nobody knows the child like the parents do".
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Very surprised too! I feel like maybe he realised that moment would speak for itself to the jury, that she decided not to even acknowledge the question.
2:47pm
Mr Johnson asks why Letby was giving Child G the 9.15am feed on September 21.
Letby: "She wasn't awake and she was due her immunisations."
Letby says, "feeding wise", she had no concerns with Child G. She said there was an ongoing issue with Child G's low temperature.
2:50pm
For that September 21 day shift, the court is shown the rota, and Lucy Letby was the designated nurse for Child G that day in room 4, along with two other babies.
Lucy Letby was also responsible for a fourth baby 'rooming in with parents'.
NJ: "Did it annoy you that you were in nursery room 4?"
LL: "Not at all."
Mr Johnson says that Letby, when giving evidence, aspirating can interrupt digestion. Letby said when fully aspirating, that can happen.
She tells the court on this occasion, NGT feeds would be preferable for babies receiving immunisations as they can be quite unwell after them and may need rest.
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Mr Johnson asks why Letby was giving Child G the 9.15am feed on September 21.
Letby: "She wasn't awake and she was due her immunisations."
Letby says, "feeding wise", she had no concerns with Child G. She said there was an ongoing issue with Child G's low temperature.
2:50pm
For that September 21 day shift, the court is shown the rota, and Lucy Letby was the designated nurse for Child G that day in room 4, along with two other babies.
Lucy Letby was also responsible for a fourth baby 'rooming in with parents'.
NJ: "Did it annoy you that you were in nursery room 4?"
LL: "Not at all."
Mr Johnson says that Letby, when giving evidence, aspirating can interrupt digestion. Letby said when fully aspirating, that can happen.
She tells the court on this occasion, NGT feeds would be preferable for babies receiving immunisations as they can be quite unwell after them and may need rest.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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It won't have been 'raw sewage', of that I am certain.
It won't have been 'raw sewage', of that I am certain.
It is looking so bad now for LL that I could almost feel sorry for her - and if she is innocent it is really tragic for her. But it seems from what we have heard that it is almost impossible that she is NG. IMO
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