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I think they might finish the baby cases today. But they probably will still talk about the notes at the very least?
UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24
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Don't forget, this doctor sent the defendant private emails from the consulting doctors, about the deaths of these babies on the unit. The email was private communication and the doc sent it to her, knowing it was confidential info pertaining to possible murders in the clinic.
So any communications between them are the prosecutor's business at this point. JMO
I think so!
I cannot imagine Mr Nick J KC giving up "grilling" her about the post it notes!
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I bet he will end his cross on them.
It will be quite something to hear her explain what she meant by " I killed them because I am not good enough to care for them"
Absolutely. I shudder to think how he's feeling right now.
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I thought he'd already asked her about them? I'm probably wrong - it has been a long trial!
All interesting thoughts here; I have a feeling there is more to come on this. I’m not sure I would agree he stayed on side per sa though. She did mention in the trial the “friendship” fizzled around 2019 ? (do correct me if this is not quite right) which suggests to me he didn’t stay by her side in the way she might have anticipated. If he genuinely thought she’d done nothing wrong etc, I just felt from what we’ve heard they lost touch. Could explain her outburst when hearing his voice. It does make you wonder if that was the first time she’d heard from him since the 2019 (roughy ?) timeframe.
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Lucy Letby trial: The nurse is starting her 13th day in the witness box. She's still being cross examined by Nick Johnson KC. He starts today by asking about the next baby - baby O. (Babies O and P were two of three triplet brothers. Lucy Letby denies murdering them both)
Lucy Letby was on holiday in Ibiza when the triplets were born. She texted another nurse about her return to work after the holiday saying she'd “probably be back in with a bang”. Nick Johnson KC says "within 72 hours of that text, babies O and P both died and baby Q collapsed".
Lucy Letby accepts that all went well for the triplets when they were born, and there were no concerns for their health after their birth.
In her legal defence statement Lucy Letby said she didn't believe that a problem with baby O's abdomen was dealt with adequately. Nick Johnson KC now asks her what the inadequacy was. Nurse Letby says she doesn't know.
Lucy Letby accepts that an injury to baby O's liver happened "on her watch" Nick Johnson KC: "Would you accept therefore that somebody must have inflicted that injury on baby O on that shift?" LL: "I agree that its happened on the shift, but I don’t know how it’s happened"
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Lucy Letby trial: The nurse is starting her 13th day in the witness box. She's still being cross examined by Nick Johnson KC. He starts today by asking about the next baby - baby O. (Babies O and P were two of three triplet brothers. Lucy Letby denies murdering them both)
Lucy Letby was on holiday in Ibiza when the triplets were born. She texted another nurse about her return to work after the holiday saying she'd “probably be back in with a bang”. Nick Johnson KC says "within 72 hours of that text, babies O and P both died and baby Q collapsed".
Lucy Letby accepts that all went well for the triplets when they were born, and there were no concerns for their health after their birth.
In her legal defence statement Lucy Letby said she didn't believe that a problem with baby O's abdomen was dealt with adequately. Nick Johnson KC now asks her what the inadequacy was. Nurse Letby says she doesn't know.
Lucy Letby accepts that an injury to baby O's liver happened "on her watch" Nick Johnson KC: "Would you accept therefore that somebody must have inflicted that injury on baby O on that shift?" LL: "I agree that its happened on the shift, but I don’t know how it’s happened"
I’m not sure if someone’s already replied similar, but he wasn’t around up until around L,M or N. Perhaps previously it was another friend though (JJK or Mel who wouldn’t discuss etc)
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10:41am
Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, moves to the case of Child O.
Letby, in her defence statement, said she did "nothing to hurt [Child O]."
She noted a "change in [Child O's] appearance", but it was "not dramatic".
He had a deterioration and Letby noted Child O's abdomen was "red and distended".
She says she didn't notice a rash on Child O, and no-one mentioned it.
She said the abdomen was "very swollen", and there was a struggle to get lines in. Letby tells the court one of the lines had tissued.
She said one of the doctors had gone out to smoke a cigarette during the time of Child O's resuscitation, and when that doctor returned, they did not wash their hands.
10:43am
Letby is asked if there is anything she wishes to change in her account of evidence so far. This is a question Mr Johnson asks at the start of most sessions during the cross-examination. Letby says there is nothing.
10:45am
10:45am
Letby agrees with Mr Johnson it was "big news" to see naturally conceived triplets on the unit, as it was a rare occurrence. Child O and Child P were two of the three triplets.
Messages are shown to the court between Letby and Jennifer Jones-Key from June 22.
Letby confirms when she is back in, adding: "Yep probably be back in with a bang lol"
M Johnson says within 72 hours of that, two of the triplets were dead and Child Q had collapsed.
10:43am
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Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, moves to the case of Child O.
Letby, in her defence statement, said she did "nothing to hurt [Child O]."
She noted a "change in [Child O's] appearance", but it was "not dramatic".
He had a deterioration and Letby noted Child O's abdomen was "red and distended".
She says she didn't notice a rash on Child O, and no-one mentioned it.
She said the abdomen was "very swollen", and there was a struggle to get lines in. Letby tells the court one of the lines had tissued.
She said one of the doctors had gone out to smoke a cigarette during the time of Child O's resuscitation, and when that doctor returned, they did not wash their hands.
10:43am
Letby is asked if there is anything she wishes to change in her account of evidence so far. This is a question Mr Johnson asks at the start of most sessions during the cross-examination. Letby says there is nothing.
10:45am
10:45am
Letby agrees with Mr Johnson it was "big news" to see naturally conceived triplets on the unit, as it was a rare occurrence. Child O and Child P were two of the three triplets.
Messages are shown to the court between Letby and Jennifer Jones-Key from June 22.
Letby confirms when she is back in, adding: "Yep probably be back in with a bang lol"
M Johnson says within 72 hours of that, two of the triplets were dead and Child Q had collapsed.
10:43am
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
10:48am
Letby is asked why she was "so interested" in the triplets. Letby tells the court it was "general conversation" between staff colleagues as it was "something unusual on the unit".
She accepts that all went well with the birth, and accepts that the triplets had been doing well, with Child O being "fine".
Letby accepts that Child O was doing well on the night shift for June 22-23, and had been moved off CPAP on to Optiflow breathing support.
Letby accepts Sophie Ellis's description there was 'nothing concerning' about Child O's presentation.
10:56am
Letby is asked to look at an observation chart for Child O for June 22-23. There is a reading which, the court is told, appears to have been changed from '1430' to '1330'.
Letby says Child O's temperature is a little unstable in the hours prior to 1.30pm on June 23, but accepts he was otherwise "stable".
The court is shown a lab result, that there was no bacterial infection found in a blood sample taken on June 23 for Child O.
A feeding chart showed Child O was "tolerating his feeds very well", Mr Johnson says. Letby agrees.
11:05am
Mr Johnson asks Letby where the 'problem' is for Child O's abdomen that she had said was not dealt with, as there is no data to show it.
Letby says, after looking at the data, she does not know what the problem was.
Mr Johnson says there is no problem shown in the paperwork.
Letby says there was "no formal note" made.
The court is shown Sophie Ellis's note at 7.32am: Abdo looks full slightly loopy. Appeared uncomfortable after feed....reg Mayberry reviewed. Abdo soft, does not appear in any discomfort on examination. Has had bo. To continue to feed but to monitor.'
Letby says the doctor did not formally record it.
Letby accepts a review was carried out at 9am and Child O's liver was reviewed, finding no injury. Letby accepts the liver injury happened 'on her watch'. She says she accepts it happened on her shift, but does not know how it happened.
She denies it happened on her hand.
11:07am
A shift rota for June 23 is shown. Letby was designated nurse for two of the three triplets in room 2 - Child O and Child P - plus one other baby. The third triplet was in room 1, with Child Q and two other babies.
Letby rules out staffing levels as a contributory factor in Child O's collapse or death, or staffing mistakes.
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Letby is asked why she was "so interested" in the triplets. Letby tells the court it was "general conversation" between staff colleagues as it was "something unusual on the unit".
She accepts that all went well with the birth, and accepts that the triplets had been doing well, with Child O being "fine".
Letby accepts that Child O was doing well on the night shift for June 22-23, and had been moved off CPAP on to Optiflow breathing support.
Letby accepts Sophie Ellis's description there was 'nothing concerning' about Child O's presentation.
10:56am
Letby is asked to look at an observation chart for Child O for June 22-23. There is a reading which, the court is told, appears to have been changed from '1430' to '1330'.
Letby says Child O's temperature is a little unstable in the hours prior to 1.30pm on June 23, but accepts he was otherwise "stable".
The court is shown a lab result, that there was no bacterial infection found in a blood sample taken on June 23 for Child O.
A feeding chart showed Child O was "tolerating his feeds very well", Mr Johnson says. Letby agrees.
11:05am
Mr Johnson asks Letby where the 'problem' is for Child O's abdomen that she had said was not dealt with, as there is no data to show it.
Letby says, after looking at the data, she does not know what the problem was.
Mr Johnson says there is no problem shown in the paperwork.
Letby says there was "no formal note" made.
The court is shown Sophie Ellis's note at 7.32am: Abdo looks full slightly loopy. Appeared uncomfortable after feed....reg Mayberry reviewed. Abdo soft, does not appear in any discomfort on examination. Has had bo. To continue to feed but to monitor.'
Letby says the doctor did not formally record it.
Letby accepts a review was carried out at 9am and Child O's liver was reviewed, finding no injury. Letby accepts the liver injury happened 'on her watch'. She says she accepts it happened on her shift, but does not know how it happened.
She denies it happened on her hand.
11:07am
A shift rota for June 23 is shown. Letby was designated nurse for two of the three triplets in room 2 - Child O and Child P - plus one other baby. The third triplet was in room 1, with Child Q and two other babies.
Letby rules out staffing levels as a contributory factor in Child O's collapse or death, or staffing mistakes.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
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On the day of baby O's death, Lucy Letby was the designated nurse caring for both him and his brother baby P. The third triplet was in another part of the unit with another nurse.
Nick Johnson KC: "Are you suggesting that staffing levels caused or contributed to baby O's death?" Lucy Letby: "No" NJKC: "Are you suggesting any nursing mistake contributed to his collapse?" LL: "No"
Court shown a text which Lucy Letby sent to a doctor (we can't name). It said "Boo" Nick Johnson KC: "Were you trying to get his attention? Lucy Letby: "It was my response to him not being on the unit that day" (1/2)
(2/2) NJKC: "Were you disappointed he wasn’t there?" LL: "Yes, I enjoyed working with him. Yes" NJKC: "Did you want to get his attention?" LL: "No" NJKC: "Is that the reason you sabotaged baby O?" LL: "No"
11:17am
Letby says Rebecca Morgan was a student nurse on the unit. She accepts that the student nurse would not always be in room 2, and would sometimes be chatting to parents.
Letby says the two triplets she was designated nurse for were in the high-dependency room, and if she left the room for a period of time, she would ask someone to 'keep an eye' on them.
A note by Dr Katarzyna Cooke at 9.30am is shown to the court, which included: 'No nursing concerns, observations normal'.
Letby says she left the unit at one point to get donor milk for the babies.
Letby is shown a series of text messages between herself and a doctor prior to 9.30am. Letby expresses disappontment in the message the doctor will not be on the unit ['Boo']. Letby says she got on well with the doctor.
Letby asks if the doctor would be on the unit in the afternoon in the message. She adds: 'My student is glued to me.....'
She adds: 'Bit rubbish that you couldn't stay on nnu'. Mr Johnson asks if Letby was 'missing' him. Letby replies this was the first day back from her Ibiza holiday.
Letby sent a message at 9.55am: 'I lost my handover sheet - found it in the donor milk freezer!! (clearly I should still be in Ibiza)'
Letby is asked if it was a 'busy' morning for her. She says "reasonably, not exceptionally".
Letby is asked how she finds the time to text when at work. She says she would not use her phone at the cotside or a clinical area, but would use her phone elsewhere in the unit.
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Letby says Rebecca Morgan was a student nurse on the unit. She accepts that the student nurse would not always be in room 2, and would sometimes be chatting to parents.
Letby says the two triplets she was designated nurse for were in the high-dependency room, and if she left the room for a period of time, she would ask someone to 'keep an eye' on them.
A note by Dr Katarzyna Cooke at 9.30am is shown to the court, which included: 'No nursing concerns, observations normal'.
Letby says she left the unit at one point to get donor milk for the babies.
Letby is shown a series of text messages between herself and a doctor prior to 9.30am. Letby expresses disappontment in the message the doctor will not be on the unit ['Boo']. Letby says she got on well with the doctor.
Letby asks if the doctor would be on the unit in the afternoon in the message. She adds: 'My student is glued to me.....'
She adds: 'Bit rubbish that you couldn't stay on nnu'. Mr Johnson asks if Letby was 'missing' him. Letby replies this was the first day back from her Ibiza holiday.
Letby sent a message at 9.55am: 'I lost my handover sheet - found it in the donor milk freezer!! (clearly I should still be in Ibiza)'
Letby is asked if it was a 'busy' morning for her. She says "reasonably, not exceptionally".
Letby is asked how she finds the time to text when at work. She says she would not use her phone at the cotside or a clinical area, but would use her phone elsewhere in the unit.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
11:24am
A feeding chart for Child O is shown to the court. Letby is recorded as signing for feeds at 10.30am and 12.30pm. She says the writing above is not by her, but by Rebecca Morgan. She says if she has signed, then Rebecca Morgan does not need to sign.
Letby denies feeding Child O. She denies overfeeding Child O.
Nurse Melanie Taylor, at about 1pm, entered room 2 and said 'he doesn’t look as well now as he did earlier. Do you think we should move him back to [room] 1 to be safe?'
Letby declined. She said she doesn't remember being very dismissive.
Letby says "That's Mel's opinion" to the evidence that Melanie Taylor had told the jury she felt Letby was 'undermining her authority'.
She adds that Melanie Taylor had the right to override that and 'take Child O off her'.
Letby denies she had sabotaged Child O, or that this would have meant Child O would have 'escaped her influence'.
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A feeding chart for Child O is shown to the court. Letby is recorded as signing for feeds at 10.30am and 12.30pm. She says the writing above is not by her, but by Rebecca Morgan. She says if she has signed, then Rebecca Morgan does not need to sign.
Letby denies feeding Child O. She denies overfeeding Child O.
Nurse Melanie Taylor, at about 1pm, entered room 2 and said 'he doesn’t look as well now as he did earlier. Do you think we should move him back to [room] 1 to be safe?'
Letby declined. She said she doesn't remember being very dismissive.
Letby says "That's Mel's opinion" to the evidence that Melanie Taylor had told the jury she felt Letby was 'undermining her authority'.
She adds that Melanie Taylor had the right to override that and 'take Child O off her'.
Letby denies she had sabotaged Child O, or that this would have meant Child O would have 'escaped her influence'.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
I’ve been waiting in anticipation for her next to throw said student under the bus too.11:24am
A feeding chart for Child O is shown to the court. Letby is recorded as signing for feeds at 10.30am and 12.30pm. She says the writing above is not by her, but by Rebecca Morgan. She says if she has signed, then Rebecca Morgan does not need to sign.
Letby denies feeding Child O. She denies overfeeding Child O.
Nurse Melanie Taylor, at about 1pm, entered room 2 and said 'he doesn’t look as well now as he did earlier. Do you think we should move him back to [room] 1 to be safe?'
Letby declined. She said she doesn't remember being very dismissive.
Letby says "That's Mel's opinion" to the evidence that Melanie Taylor had told the jury she felt Letby was 'undermining her authority'.
She adds that Melanie Taylor had the right to override that and 'take Child O off her'.
Letby denies she had sabotaged Child O, or that this would have meant Child O would have 'escaped her influence'.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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11:29am
Letby denies she 'lied' to the doctor colleague about a 'trace aspirate' for Child O at 12.30pm.
Mr Johnson says he is mistaken, as a doctor's note records '0 bile' for the 'trace aspirate'.
Letby says the 160-170 heart rate for Child O, as recorded by the doctor, is higher than normal, and higher than ideal. Mr Johnson says the abnormal readings start, on the observation chart, 180bpm.
Letby had recorded 'tachycardiac' for Child O. Letby tells the court when she reviewed Child O, there was a spike in the heart rate, and in her opinion, Child O was tachycardiac.
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Letby denies she 'lied' to the doctor colleague about a 'trace aspirate' for Child O at 12.30pm.
Mr Johnson says he is mistaken, as a doctor's note records '0 bile' for the 'trace aspirate'.
Letby says the 160-170 heart rate for Child O, as recorded by the doctor, is higher than normal, and higher than ideal. Mr Johnson says the abnormal readings start, on the observation chart, 180bpm.
Letby had recorded 'tachycardiac' for Child O. Letby tells the court when she reviewed Child O, there was a spike in the heart rate, and in her opinion, Child O was tachycardiac.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
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Nick Johnson KC: "You overfed baby O, didn't you" Lucy Letby: "No I did not overfeed him"
Court has previously heard from another nurse who says she saw baby O looking unwell, and that she told Lucy Letby that he should be moved out of the nursery room he was in with her, and into Intensive Care. She said that nurse Letby had resisted this.
NJKC: "You’d sabotaged baby O hadn’t you and that’s why you didn’t want him moving out of your control to nursery 1?" LL: "No" NJKC: "This would have meant baby O escaping your influence wouldn’t it?" LL: "I disagree"
11:33am
Mr Johnson says Letby made a 'false, lying entry' in a different chart. A blood gas chart is shown to the court for Child O.
Mr Johnson asks where the lying entry is on the chart.
LL: "I don't know."
Mr Johnson points to the 'CPAP' note on a column. Letby says Child O had some CPAP pressure. Mr Johnson says Child O had not been on CPAP breathing support for "hours and hours".
NJ: "You were covering for air you had given him, weren't you?"
LL: "No."
An x-ray report for Child O is shown, including: 'Moderate gaseous distention of bowel loops throughout the abdomen.'
Letby is asked why she wrote CPAP in her notes.
LL: "I can't answer that now, I don't know."
Letby says she does not know if Child O might have been on some CPAP pressure via Optiflow.
Letby denies 'forgetting to make a false entry on the observation chart'.
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Mr Johnson says Letby made a 'false, lying entry' in a different chart. A blood gas chart is shown to the court for Child O.
Mr Johnson asks where the lying entry is on the chart.
LL: "I don't know."
Mr Johnson points to the 'CPAP' note on a column. Letby says Child O had some CPAP pressure. Mr Johnson says Child O had not been on CPAP breathing support for "hours and hours".
NJ: "You were covering for air you had given him, weren't you?"
LL: "No."
An x-ray report for Child O is shown, including: 'Moderate gaseous distention of bowel loops throughout the abdomen.'
Letby is asked why she wrote CPAP in her notes.
LL: "I can't answer that now, I don't know."
Letby says she does not know if Child O might have been on some CPAP pressure via Optiflow.
Letby denies 'forgetting to make a false entry on the observation chart'.
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Letby is asked how she finds the time to text when at work. She says she would not use her phone at the cotside or a clinical area, but would use her phone elsewhere in the unit.11:17am
Letby says Rebecca Morgan was a student nurse on the unit. She accepts that the student nurse would not always be in room 2, and would sometimes be chatting to parents.
Letby says the two triplets she was designated nurse for were in the high-dependency room, and if she left the room for a period of time, she would ask someone to 'keep an eye' on them.
A note by Dr Katarzyna Cooke at 9.30am is shown to the court, which included: 'No nursing concerns, observations normal'.
Letby says she left the unit at one point to get donor milk for the babies.
Letby is shown a series of text messages between herself and a doctor prior to 9.30am. Letby expresses disappontment in the message the doctor will not be on the unit ['Boo']. Letby says she got on well with the doctor.
Letby asks if the doctor would be on the unit in the afternoon in the message. She adds: 'My student is glued to me.....'
She adds: 'Bit rubbish that you couldn't stay on nnu'. Mr Johnson asks if Letby was 'missing' him. Letby replies this was the first day back from her Ibiza holiday.
Letby sent a message at 9.55am: 'I lost my handover sheet - found it in the donor milk freezer!! (clearly I should still be in Ibiza)'
Letby is asked if it was a 'busy' morning for her. She says "reasonably, not exceptionally".
Letby is asked how she finds the time to text when at work. She says she would not use her phone at the cotside or a clinical area, but would use her phone elsewhere in the unit.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
lol...is she still trying to say she never used her phone in the nurseries or the clinic?
I think Johnson debunked that claim when he showed her power texting while she was cot side during a feed.
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