UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[katydid23]

Nick Johnson KC: "You overfed baby O, didn't you" Lucy Letby: "No I did not overfeed him"

Court has previously heard from another nurse who says she saw baby O looking unwell, and that she told Lucy Letby that he should be moved out of the nursery room he was in with her, and into Intensive Care. She said that nurse Letby had resisted this.

NJKC: "You’d sabotaged baby O hadn’t you and that’s why you didn’t want him moving out of your control to nursery 1?" LL: "No" NJKC: "This would have meant baby O escaping your influence wouldn’t it?" LL: "I disagree"

Nick Johnson KC suggests that Lucy Letby made false entries on a nursing chart to show that baby O was given some ventilation known as CPAP. He says the baby didn't receive this. NJKC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?" Lucy Letby: "No"


[wow, is this^^^ a new accusation?]

 

[Legal]

Her multiple texting was not good for the babies who were in her care, however they have been a goldmine of information for the prosecution!

 

[notsure]

The prosecutor is really on form today!

 

[Legal]

11:41am

Letby is asked about messages exchanged between her and a doctor when, at 2.30pm, she was recorded as taking observations for Child O.
The messages were sent at 2.20pm and 2.23pm.
Child O collapsed shortly after 2.40pm. In her defence statement, she said the doctor colleague was on the unit at the time.
Swipe data shows Letby has arrived on the neonatal unit from the labour ward at 2.39pm.
Letby says she cannot say, definitively, where she was at that time. She denies 'nipping out' of the neonatal unit to make it look like she was elsewhere at the time Child O collapsed.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[Anxala]

And yet, if she is guilty of these alleged crimes, then she doesn't have any private business anymore. Her trial justifies people poking about in all of her communications, if so.

Yes, but I'm looking at it from LL's perspective. She may regard it as unnecessarily intrusive and none of his business. I would, in her place.

Don't forget, this doctor sent the defendant private emails from the consulting doctors, about the deaths of these babies on the unit. The email was private communication and the doc sent it to her, knowing it was confidential info pertaining to possible murders in the clinic.

So any communications between them are the prosecutor's business at this point. JMO

I'm not forgetting that, in fact it gives weight to the idea that he was on her side and may have continued to be on her side until such time as he no longer could be, due to the ongoing investigation and the fact that he was likely to be called as a witness.

 

[Legal]

So:

2.20 - messaged doctor
2.23 - messaged doctor
2.30 - recorded observation of baby O
2.39 - arrives on ward
2.40 - baby collapses

She must have left immediately after the observation and then come back in again.

 

[Legal]

11:44am

The doctor's note is shown to the court: 'Called to see [Child O] at ~1440 desaturation, bradycardia and mottled...'
Letby says she believes she called the doctor to the nursery room. She denies it was to get personal attention; Letby says it was because he was there to assist Child O.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[katydid23]

Yes, but I'm looking at it from LL's perspective. She may regard it as unnecessarily intrusive and none of his business. I would, in her place.



I'm not forgetting that, in fact it gives weight to the idea that he was on her side and may have continued to be on her side until such time as he no longer could be, due to the ongoing investigation and the fact that he was likely to be called as a witness.

He may have been on 'her side' ---but was his mind thinking straight at the time? What a mess he has gotten himself into. And he may not have been thinking clearly when he decided to send confidential info from his superiors to the defendant.

 

[Anxala]

All interesting thoughts here; I have a feeling there is more to come on this. I’m not sure I would agree he stayed on side per sa though. She did mention in the trial the “friendship” fizzled around 2019 ? (do correct me if this is not quite right) which suggests to me he didn’t stay by her side in the way she might have anticipated. If he genuinely thought she’d done nothing wrong etc, I just felt from what we’ve heard they lost touch. Could explain her outburst when hearing his voice. It does make you wonder if that was the first time she’d heard from him since the 2019 (roughy ?) timeframe.

JMO

For sure, I didn't necessarily mean stayed on side right up to the trial, more was on side before the investigation itself made it difficult/impossible for him to continue to engage with her. Possibly self-protection on his part? This 'fizzling out' may be the result of that as much as them just losing touch. 'Fizzling out' could cover a number of scenarios.

 

[katydid23]

For sure, I didn't necessarily mean stayed on side right up to the trial, more was on side before the investigation itself made it difficult/impossible for him to continue to engage with her. This 'fizzling out' may be the result of that as much as them just losing touch.

She manipulated him. She toyed with him and there are now allegations that she harmed some babies specifically to get further attention from him. And this is all out in the public now. He must be horrified.

 

[Dotta]

The prosecutor is really on form today!

As always!

Not even the tiniest detail is missed from his eagle's eye.
He is meticulous.

Don't mess with him

JMO

 

[Sundial]

For sure, I didn't necessarily mean stayed on side right up to the trial, more was on side before the investigation itself made it difficult/impossible for him to continue to engage with her. Possibly self-protection on his part? This 'fizzling out' may be the result of that as much as them just losing touch. 'Fizzling out' could cover a number of scenarios.

I wonder if he was possibly advised not to aswell. Called as witness or own legal representation etc.
JMO

 

[Anxala]

I wonder if he was possibly advised not to aswell. Called as witness or own legal representation etc.
JMO

Exactly that. That's what I mean about it becoming difficult for him to continue contact with her.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

One doctor went out to smoke a cigarette and on return didn't wash their hands?

What!?! Has this been verified or evidenced? How could she know that? I sincerely hope it isn't true.

 

[marynnu]

As always!

Not even the tiniest detail is missed from his eagle's eye.
He is meticulous.

Don't mess with him

JMO

Control yourself Dotta.

 

[katydid23]

One doctor went out to smoke a cigarette and on return didn't wash their hands?

What!?! Has this been verified or evidenced? How could she know that? I sincerely hope it isn't true.

I'm not sure how she could possibly know for sure if he washed up or not. There are sinks nearly everywhere in a clinic. How would she have eyes on him the entire time since his return?

 

[Blondiexoxo]

One doctor went out to smoke a cigarette and on return didn't wash their hands?

What!?! Has this been verified or evidenced? How could she know that? I sincerely hope it isn't true.

How she can remember that detail specifically but ‘cannot recall’ many of the major events for babies in this case makes me think this is something she’s just decided to come out with to suggest ‘staff incompetence’.. either way, I find it has absolutely no relevance to baby O’s ultimate collapse and death nor the liver injury inflicted IMO.

At this point IMO she is reaching the end of the babies and so far has given very few if not no examples of any other contributing factors to any collapses other than foul play IMO. So maybe she’s throwing anything out there to see what sticks, maybe.

Aswell as an abdomen issue that there is no recorded data of and she now cannot recall. But someone going for a cigarette and not washing their hands is something she remembers clearly…
MOO

 

[Legal]

12:09pm

The trial is resuming after a short break.
Letby says a 20ml saline bolus was given to Child O in response to a poor blood gas record. She says there was a delay as there was an issue with getting the line for Child O. She says she believes the bolus, which has 'time started: 1440', was in response to Child O's collapse.
A doctor's note recorded for the '~1440' collapse: '10ml/kg 0.9% sodium chloride bolus already given.'
Letby agrees the two desaturations for Child O that day were "profound" ones.
Letby's note: 'Approx 1440 [Child O] had a profound desaturation to 30s followed by bradycardia. Mottled++ and abdomen red and distended. Transferred to nursery 1 and Neopuff ventilation commenced. Perfusion poor'
Letby, when questioned, says babies would "frequently desaturate", to this level, and this happened prior to June 2015, and "often".

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

How she can remember that detail specifically but ‘cannot recall’ many of the major events for babies in this case makes me think this is something she’s just decided to come out with to suggest ‘staff incompetence’.. either way, I find it has absolutely no relevance to baby O’s ultimate collapse and death nor the liver injury inflicted IMO.

At this point IMO she is reaching the end of the babies and so far has given very few if not no examples of any other contributing factors to any collapses other than foul play IMO.

Aswell as an abdomen issue that there is no recorded data of and she now cannot recall. But someone going for a cigarette and not washing their hands is something she remembers clearly…
MOO

Also, if one did see a colleague do such an unhygienic thing, wouldn't you say something rather than then watch them spread germs all around the ward?

 

[Legal]

12:14pm

Letby says the redness to the abdomen on Child O was abnormal, and the description of mottling was normal.
Mr Johnson says during the intubation, Dr Stephen Brearey, in evidence on March 15, said Child O had a rash on his chest, on the right side, about 1-2cm in size. He said it was an "unusual" rash that was initially pupuric, and it later disappeared.
Letby says: "I don't believe that's what I saw. I saw mottling. If that's what Dr Brearey saw, then if that's what you could take as being true, then yes."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk