UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[Legal]

3:56pm

Letby is asked why she has only done 'half a job' for the 9am June 25 observation for Child Q.
LL: "I can't explain why I haven't filled the saturations."
NJ: "You were interrupted by Mary Griffith, weren't you?"
LL: "No, I don't know why those weren't filled in."

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If guilty, the alleged attacker must have become numb to what she was doing, and stopped seeing the babies as living, feeling human beings, imo

One would need to know much more about the attacker and whether they have ever had capacity to see other living beings as anything other than objects for manipulation / pawns in a game. This type of thing would be explained by psychiatric theories of personality disorder. Empathy is not generally something that wears off over time.

Some people lose capacity / empathy due to extreme substance addiction, however, I don't think that has been indicated in this instance.

JMO MOO

 

[notsure]

For someone so obsessed with paper, she seems to have been a little lax with the paperwork, imo.

 

[Legal]

4:00pm

Letby said she left room 2 to go to room 1 as she needed to attend to cares for the other designated baby just after 9am.
Mr Johnson says that is a lie.
Letby says the baby didn't need a nappy change, but that baby "was an intensive care baby who needed regular attention".
Letby agrees she had not filled in the saturation readings, but otherwise 'the job was done' for Child Q's 9am observation.

 

[Legal]

More details from sky news:

13m ago15:50

Letby: Baby Q was not a baby in good condition​

On Saturday 25 June 2016, Lucy Letby was looking after Child Q in nursery two at the Countess of Chester Hospital and another baby in nursery one (this is not an infant she is accused of harming).
As he has asked in every case, Nick Johnson KC, the prosecution barrister, asks Letby if staffing, mistakes or nursing incompetence contributed to Child Q's collapse.
Letby answers "no" on all three counts.
"Do you agree Child Q was in good condition when you took him on at 8am?" Mr Johnson asks.
"No, there were concerns for his abdomen and his feeds."
Letby disputes that he was a "baby in good condition".
On 17 May, when being questioned by her defence barrister, Letby said: "I don't recall there being any significant problems... He was on the cold side and in the light of the aspirates on the chart I decided I'd prefer to have him reviewed before feeding him."

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-let...ws-blog-12868375?postid=6025974#liveblog-body

 

[Legal]

Sky news

6m ago15:58

Nurse pumped final victim 'with clear fluid', prosecution says​

When her colleague left nursery two, Letby pumped Child Q with a "clear fluid", the prosecution alleges.
"That didn't happen, no," Letby says.
Nick Johnson KC says giving Child Q milk wouldn't have been an option because the infant was only being fed 0.5ml every few hours.
"If he vomited a large amount of milk it would be very obvious something was wrong," Mr Johnson says.
"Yes," says Letby.
"And that is why you chose a clear fluid on this occasion."
Letby denies this.

 

[Legal]

4:05pm

Letby says she was not presentin the room at the time Child Q vomited. She says she cannot recall aspirating air from the NG Tube afterwards, but may have done so.
Letby's nursing note: '...mottled++. Neopuff and suction applied....air++ aspirated from NG Tube.'
Letby says that information may have been relayed to her. She says the air in Child Q might have come from the Neopuffing process.
Letby agrees it could be dangerous if the Neopuffing and suction was done if there was clear liquid in Child Q's system. Letby said Child Q had vomited over his bedding.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

2:54pm

BBM- She agrees that she wrote the note to deliberately look like neopuff caused the abdomen to swell? Or is she agreeing that that’s what the note sounds like? Strange to agree to that suggestion when she’s usually refuting everything IMO.

BBM- If guilty, did she imagine a ‘greys anatomy’ love story? Sharing tragic events both were present for. Both leaning on eachother for support during the aftermath? MOO

Maybe, if guilty, she's prone to all manner of flights of fancy (fantasy) in which she views herself in the various 'lead actor' roles ('main actor syndrome' as the youngsters call it nowadays).

Generally speaking, when people are prone to this type of thinking, the roles they envision relate directly to the many known archetypes hero, martyr, lover, caregiver, rescuer, wise owl, magician, etc. Those archetypes are naturally always referenced in the movies and stories as they are a natural part of our lives. So a person can be directly referencing their bank of movie roles or one particular role they're obsessed with.

JMO MOO

 

[Legal]

4:06pm

Child Q, in a doctor's notes, had “just vomited” and his oxygen saturation dropped to the “low 60s”.
NJ: "There was a concern that [Child Q] had inhaled some liquid, wasn't there?"
Letby replies that is a concern any time a baby vomits.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Legal]

4:08pm

The doctor's observations with Child Q continue for 53 minutes.
NJ: "This was no everyday, minor desaturation, was it?"
Letby replies it was not serious enough to require an emergency crash call.
NJ: "You pumped him with a clear liquid, didn't you?"
LL: "No."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Legal]

4:10pm

Messages sent to a nursing colleague from 1.13pm are shown to the court: '[Child Q] on CPAP'
'Minna has taken [other baby] off me so just got him. Almost had a tube earlier but gases improving'.
Letby denies the event was 'trivial', saying Child Q had deteriorated but it was not on the same level as some of the other events that have been discussed, and did not need a crash call or resuscitation efforts.

 

[Legal]

from sky news

Now16:12

Child Q 'vomited clear fluid' from mouth and nose​

Lucy Letby is being asked why her notes place her as "giving care" to another infant at the time Child Q collapsed.
The prosecution claims she "disappeared" at the moment he suddenly deteriorated on 25 June 2016.
She says this is what she remembers doing.
"You were just looking for a reason to get out of the room when [colleague] appeared in the unit," Nick Johnson KC asks.
"No."
Letby's nursing notes later recorded that Child Q "vomited clear fluid" from his mouth and nose.

 

[Legal]

4:15pm

Nurse Amy Davies recorded on June 25, 2016 for the night shift that Child Q had "settled".
NJ: "He became much better, hadn't he?" Letby agrees.
NJ: "A child that was put in your hands in good condition, left your hands in a ventilator in intensive care, but by this time was returning to normality."
Letby says by the night shift, Child Q was still on a ventilator and had a poor blood gas record on 6.23pm.
NJ: "You had nearly killed him, hadn't you?"
LL: "No, I hadn't nearly killed him."
Letby says she was later concerned she was being blamed for something that did not happen, by leaving the nursery room unattended.
NJ: "The truth is that you pumped him [Child Q] with liquid and air?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "Because you tried to kill him?"
LL: "No, I didn't."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Legal]

Wow, quarter past 4 and we're still going!

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Child Q is the last alleged victim, isn't it?

 

[Legal]

Child Q is the last alleged victim, isn't it?

Yes

 

[notsure]

Wow, quarter past 4 and we're still going!

This has to be the longest cross-examination session so far.

 

[Diddly1]

Such gruesome and horrifying details have been revealed about these ghastly murders and horrible attempted murder.(Both alleged) The accused if convicted is definitely someone tremendously macabre MOO.

 

[Lincoln34]

Apologies if this was covered in an earlier thread, but have either prosecution or defence adduced her employment record in evidence? If so were any concerns or disciplinary issues evidenced?

 

[marynnu]

Such a tiny amount of milk - one tenth of a teaspoon. Can that be right?

Yes, that would be right. It's known as trophic feeding. It's extra to IV fluids or TPN, the aim being to get the gut flora up & running.