UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[marynnu]

I didn’t reveal any confidential information, but when I was asked by a colleague I knew - as a friend - in another department to be their observer in a disciplinary process I did so because I felt that they must be innocent. I got far too invested in it emotionally and it caused me a great deal of stress. I was not thinking straight for a while.

After a while it became clear that the complaint was more than justified and I was really upset at being played in the manner I had been.

I suspect Dr Choc felt / feels the same and I pity him.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I feel sorry for him too. It might be unwise, but I feel I'd have been tempted to do the same for a trusted friend.

 

[marynnu]

Someone on another forum has pointed out that it's the 8th anniversary of Baby A's death. How sad is that.

 

[katydid23]

I really don’t think some of this is helpful to the prosecution .

Yes, it all paints LL in a terrible light in terms of the level of attention she was paying to her duties and where her priorities were. We can all agree that if true, this isn’t someone who should be a nurse .

But the revelations yesterday about a baby who she is not accused of harming, where it appears as though LL allegedly pushed the feed through to be done quickly with it so she could carry on texting: that to me is showing her as someone who doesn’t really care and just does things quickly /cuts corners. It doesn’t feed (pardon the pun) into the narrative of her allegedly deliberately targeting certain babies and deliberately doing something to cause their collapses.

If you have someone who is pushing feeds in to cut corners , then it isn’t much of a stretch to imagine that such a person isn’t rigorously checking the lines and flushing them to make sure there is no air in them before administering whatever treatment it is. It seems to be ammo for manslaughter gross negligence rather than murder .

That’s just what comes into my head when I read this evidence .

Well, if it is manslaughter 7x and almost manslaughter 15x and at least 2 children left disabled----then it is still a Life Term, IMO.

 

[marynnu]

Can someone remind me what the nature of the liver injury was please? Was it lacerated and was the cause blunt force trauma? Also to those with medical knowledge - would a nurse of her level know exactly what to do to cause injury? Thanks in advance

I think there were several lacerations, but could be mistaken. I don't think any nurse would know how to cause liver injury as such. If this were a deliberate assault, my guess is it was done to inflict harm/pain with no precise aim. All JMO.

 

[notsure]

Someone on another forum has pointed out that it's the 8th anniversary of Baby A's death. How sad is that.

Whenever I see children of that age walking past my house on their way to school, I think of this case.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Tomorrow expected to be final day of cross-examination according to Chester Standard.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, June 8 - cross-examination continues

 

[katydid23]

BBM- I thought 25th June was LL’s final day on the unit caring directly for babies? Wasn’t she moved to admin immediately or were there a few shifts between baby Q and the meeting where consultants demanded she be removed?
MOO

There were a few shifts before she was finally moved out. The consultants were demanding it but the management was dragging their feet.

 

[katydid23]

Whenever I see children of that age walking past my house on their way to school, I think of this case.

My granddaughter was born around same time as the first victims in 2015. She was in a hospital here in California, for a procedure, as a newborn, in June of 2015. I often think of that and it makes me feel like this case is too close to home. We really relied upon the Neo-natal nurses for wisdom and comfort. It would have NEVER occurred to me that one of them could have attacked my little precious grand baby. I cannot even imagine....

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

Well, if it is manslaughter 7x and almost manslaughter 15x and at least 2 children left disabled----then it is still a Life Term, IMO.

Yes, I imagine it would be (and quite rightly so).

 

[notsure]

My granddaughter was born around same time as the first victims in 2015. She was in a hospital here in California, for a procedure, as a newborn, in June of 2015. I often think of that and it makes me feel like this case is too close to home. We really relied upon the Neo-natal nurses for wisdom and comfort. It would have NEVER occurred to me that one of them could have attacked my little precious grand baby. I cannot even imagine....

Indeed. They are so very precious, and the thought of a nurse deliberately harming them is beyond comprehension.

 

[notsure]

Yes, that would be right. It's known as trophic feeding. It's extra to IV fluids or TPN, the aim being to get the gut flora up & running.

Thank you for the explanation. I was thinking the decimal point must be in the wrong place or something.

 

[Jayney404]

Court has heard past evidence from baby O's parents, and from a consultant, all of whom described the baby changing colour and having prominent veins. Nick Johnson KC: "That’s the truth isn’t it?" Lucy Letby: "I can’t comment on their truth. I didn’t see anything like that"

Interesting last statement ‘ I can’t comment on their truth’.

One could read this as a tacit acknowledgement that the truth as told by LL is different that the truth told by ‘them’ I.e the other witnesses.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone else feel like they've stepped off a fairground ride today? I think I feel shocked, even just reading it, goodness knows what it's felt like being in court with so much more to take in.

 

[esther43]

Nick Johnson KC suggests that Lucy Letby made false entries on a nursing chart to show that baby O was given some ventilation known as CPAP. He says the baby didn't receive this. NJKC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?" Lucy Letby: "No"


[wow, is this^^^ a new accusation?]

Seems Ms. Letby became a bit complacent there, adding CPAP ventilation to the blood gas chart but forgetting to add it to the observation notes.

 

[May72031]

Thing is; if what she says is true and the unwashed hands and things and sewage etc; I’m fairly sure we’d have a heck of a lot more seriously sick or massively increased mortality rates from that unit than what has been presented.

And other units similar to this one, elsewhere in the country. Because there would be other units where the odd doctor/nurse doesn't wash their hands properly, or at all.

"Sewage" in the sinks/not washing hands, just doesn't stack up as an explanation for what happened.

 

[Dotta]

Summary

"Mr Johnson highlighted a WhatsApp that Letby sent her friend, Jennifer Jones-Key, a nursing assistant on the unit, shortly after 9pm on June 22:

'Yep, probably be back with a bang lol'.

The barrister then put it to the defendant:

'Within 72 hours of that message two of the triplets were dead and [Baby Q] had collapsed,
and it all happened while you were there?'

'Yes,' she replied."

Lucy Letby denies 'sabotaging' day-old baby boy

Lucy Letby denies 'sabotaging' a day-old baby boy so she could get the attention of a male registrar with whom she is said to have flirted, a jury heard today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CS2C]

Do I brave the trip to court tomorrow ? I’ll have to get up at 5am ! But I think it is going to be the last opportunity to see her on the stand

 

[notsure]

Do I brave the trip to court tomorrow ? I’ll have to get up at 5am ! But I think it is going to be the last opportunity to see her on the stand

It's always interesting to hear your thoughts, but I would hate you to have a wasted journey if it's cancelled again. And it's going to be hot, and potentially busy on the roads...

 

[Jayney404]

And other units similar to this one, elsewhere in the country. Because there would be other units where the odd doctor/nurse doesn't wash their hands properly, or at all.

"Sewage" in the sinks/not washing hands, just doesn't stack up as an explanation for what happened.

Yes this is the one hospital in the country where inadequate hand washing caused AE and insulin overdoses

 

[Dotta]

Yes this is the one hospital in the country where inadequate hand washing caused AE and insulin overdoses

Let me add:

This is the one hospital in the country where handover sheets march in line following a nurse home:

"They came home with me".