UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[Tortoise]

I think it is the same one. Did some research earlier but couldn't post it without MSM source. But there was reason to believe he was a married family man.

What had been said about him in the trial before was that he had children, and he would have trusted LL with them.

 

[Tortoise]

12:56pm

Letby, in her defence statement, said she was concerned she was blamed for things she was not respnsible for, and was unable to explain how some of the babies had collapsed.
The statement added the higher mortality rate had come from the unit taking on more poorly babies.
For Child Q, Letby says Dr John Gibbs was asking who was on duty at that time and who the designated nurse was.
Letby says, in her statement, Dr Jayaram and Dr Brearey had been "set against her for some time" and did not accept "in good faith" their evidence.
Mr Myers asks if Letby had ever accepted the accuracy or honesty Dr Jayaram's recollection of the incident in relation to Child K.
Letby: "No."
Letby adds she did not recall clearly what happened at that event. She denied interfering or harming Child K at that time.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 9 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[katydid23]

What had been said about him in the trial before was that he had children, and he would have trusted LL with them.

Right, but at the time I thought he was likely divorced, with kids

 

[Tortoise]

Think the other reporters fell off their chairs and haven't got back up yet

 

[Dotta]

3m ago11:38

'If they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly'​

"You had your thinking cap on, didn't you?" He asks.
Letby denies this.
"An insurance policy going on here."
"No," she replies.
"So you can suggest this was a hospital where things were so lax people left the bungs of the intravenous access for these children," says Mr Johnson.
"No that's what I found," Letby replies.
Letby texted a colleague on 15 July that the babies in question became unwell after leaving her care, "or were already acutely unwell when I took over".
She says she began gathering information for her union representative.
Letby to colleague on 15 July (15. 49): Hoping to get as much info together as possible- if they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly, not Me.
Letby is then asked if she went on the attack.
"I don't think this was an attack, this was me responding to what was happening to me," she tells the court.
Her union representative advised Letby against pushing to go back on the unit.
Letby to colleague on 8 August (11.25): Asked about social things and he said it's up to me but would advise not speaking with anyone in case any of them are involved in the process... Feel a bit like Im being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust. It's my life and career.
Letby says this colleague was her "best friend" and she had been looking for support, despite the fact she had been told not to contact people working on the unit.
Letby to colleague on 8 August (11.31): It's making me feel like I should hide away by saying not to speak to anyone and going on for months etc- I haven't done anything wrong.

Now11:41

Letby: 'Band of four' colleagues conspired against me​

Letby is now being asked about the "band of four" colleagues she claims were conspiring against her.
She is asked what their motive could have been.
"At this time I did not know what babies they were discussing, or what the allegations were," she tells the court, adding that she feared "anything that went wrong they could have put on to me".
Mr Johnson, the prosecution barrister, asks if she thinks "these doctors' motives were influenced by a conspiracy".
"Yes, that is what I believe," she says.
Mr Johnson asks Letby if she believes it was "above your paygrade to determine what the shortcomings were" in the care for the children involved.
"In the medical profession, yes," she says.
Letby has previously said she doesn't feel the "staffing levels at the Countess of Chester were at the level they should have been".
But Mr Johnson says Letby has failed to raise in each individual case where low staffing levels may have contributed.
"I think some of the babies didn't have adequate care over a period of time," Letby says.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com

"You had your thinking cap on, didn't you?"

 

[Tortoise]

I am glad Mr Johnson didn't get into a back and forth with LL over the meaning of what she wrote on the post-it note. I think it speaks for itself and didn't need belabouring or argument.

Same as when she corrected herself when saying she knew what she was looking for, re baby I. It was perfect, without additional questioning.

IMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

This is abysmal reading.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Exactly. It didn’t need any further labouring.

 

[katydid23]

So evidently, Johnson showed the court a batch of pictures, with LL out at New Years, and Christmas, and other events, in 2017 and I am not sure if 2018---and in those pictures she is with some old colleagues and even dr choc, I believe.

And she has to admit 'those were good times back then' ---so she wasn't as isolated and alone as she portrayed herself to be in those notes

And she was still seeing her good friend, the loyal doctor at the time. And she still had a clerical job at the Countess

So when some of those super emotional notes were written, she had a house, a car, a boyfriend and some good social friends to go out with

I think that was a very important point to make---it makes those super dramatic confessional type of notes more suspicious in that something really really intense was bothering her, making her feel 'evil', hopeless, and full of guilt.

Before people were saying 'of course, she lost all her friends and her bf and her job and so of course she'd write " I killed them"

But if she still had her bf and her friends and her clerical job and her house and car---why so intense about being evil and suicidal?

 

[Tortoise]

"You had your thinking cap on, didn't you?"

Another good old English expression for your collection

 

[Anxala]

So evidently, Johnson showed the court a batch of pictures, with LL out at New Years, and Christmas, and other events, in 2017 and I am not sure if 2018---and in those pictures she is with some old colleagues and even dr choc, I believe.

And she has to admit 'those were good times back then' ---so she wasn't as isolated and alone as she portrayed herself to be in those notes

And she was still seeing her good friend, the loyal doctor at the time. And she still had a clerical job at the Countess

So when some of those super emotional notes were written, she had a house, a car, a boyfriend and some good social friends to go out with

I think that was a very important point to make---it makes those super dramatic confessional type of notes more suspicious in that something really really intense was bothering her, making her feel 'evil', hopeless, and full of guilt.

Before people were saying 'of course, she lost all her friends and her bf and her job and so of course she'd write " I killed them"

But if she still had her bf and her friends and her clerical job and her house and car---why so intense about being evil and suicidal?

Do we know when the notes were written? Have they been dated to a particular time/month/year? I thought they were post-suspension?

 

[DianaWW]

Mr Johnson says at that time 'you had a house, a car, a boyfriend' 'Yes', she says

Snipped for focus.

So is she admitting that he was her boyfriend after all?

 

[DianaWW]

Do we know when the notes were written? Have they been dated to a particular time/month/year?

She said initially they were written in July 2016, after she had been removed from the unit. She has since changed this to 'any time between July 2016 and her first arrest'. The note we heard about first (I killed them on purpose...) was found in her 2016 diary.

 

[Anxala]

She said initially they were written in July 2016, after she had been removed from the unit. She has since changed this to 'any time between July 2016 and her first arrest'. The note we heard about first (I killed them on purpose...) was found in her 2016 diary.

Thanks for that.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

That was a damp squib with regard to the evidence of an affair. A couple of trips out together and some heart emojis exchanged?

I was honestly expecting NJ to have a load of explicit sexts to show us, or a photo of them snogging or something .

 

[Tortoise]

That was a damp squib with regard to the evidence of an affair. A couple of trips out together and some heart emojis exchanged?

I was honestly expecting NJ to have a load of explicit sexts to show us, or a photo of them snogging or something .

It seems to me the doctor may have been careful with what was on his phone, being married.

 

[katydid23]

She said initially they were written in July 2016, after she had been removed from the unit. She has since changed this to 'any time between July 2016 and her first arrest'. The note we heard about first (I killed them on purpose...) was found in her 2016 diary.

This was interesting:


The 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' handwritten note by Letby is shown to the court.
Letby is asked about the notes.
NJ: "You had done nothing wrong?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "Why did you think you would not marry and have a family?"
LL: "Because I was in the position that I was in and didn't think it would end."
NJ: "You had a good job working in the patient safety department at the Countess of Chester."
LL: "It wasn't a choice for me."
NJ: "It was still a good job."
LL: "Good as enjoyable?"
NJ: "It was secure, with a secure employer."
LL: "Yes."

Do we know when the notes were written? Have they been dated to a particular time/month/year? I thought they were post-suspension?

So NJ got her to admit, apparently, that she wrote the I AM EVIL I DID THIS note while she was still working at COCH

 

[Tortoise]

This was interesting:


The 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' handwritten note by Letby is shown to the court.
Letby is asked about the notes.
NJ: "You had done nothing wrong?"
LL: "No."
NJ: "Why did you think you would not marry and have a family?"
LL: "Because I was in the position that I was in and didn't think it would end."
NJ: "You had a good job working in the patient safety department at the Countess of Chester."
LL: "It wasn't a choice for me."
NJ: "It was still a good job."
LL: "Good as enjoyable?"
NJ: "It was secure, with a secure employer."
LL: "Yes."





So NJ got her to admit, apparently, that she wrote the I AM EVIL I DID THIS note while she was still working at COCH

Yes but as far as we've been told she was there up until her arrest, so it doesn't really shed more light on the timing I don't think.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

It seems to me the doctor may have been careful with what was on his phone, being married.

Imagine if they each had burner phones which suddenly turned up. That would be quite the development.

 

[katydid23]

That was a damp squib with regard to the evidence of an affair. A couple of trips out together and some heart emojis exchanged?

I was honestly expecting NJ to have a load of explicit sexts to show us, or a photo of them snogging or something .

Even if it was just an emotional affair, it is still wrong. If my husband is sending heart emojis to a young blonde and texting her from 6 am, all day, praising her until 1 am, leaving her chocolates, sending confidential emails from his superiors to her, jeopardising his own job, offering her his car, taking her on a day trip to London---I'm packing up his bags and leaving them on the front stoop...