UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[Sundial]

She's denied he was but has agreed with NJ that she had a boyfriend. That suggests that the BF isnsomeone else. Then again, she does have a habit of contradicting herself!

Interesting; I understand what you’re saying but my own interpretation from it was that when she agreed to the boyfriend thing- his questioning appeared in relation to dr choc. I could be completely wrong, of course. But thinking back to when he was questioning her about the boyfriend thing the other day (also in relation to dr choc), rather than say no; she said it was “unfair”..

To be honest with you though, I completely agree; she’s been caught out so many times lying it’s difficult to know either way for sure.
Moo

 

[Sundial]

Yup, and if they HAVE got her to admit that he was her boyfriend, then she's lied under oath about that previously, as well as various other things (the PJs, the not being able to socialise)

JMO

And owning a shredder.. collecting papers etc..

 

[DianaWW]

I get the impression that the BF was someone else?

That's not how I read it but you might be right! I do think it would be likely that if she did have a boyfriend she'd be texting him during her shifts and we'd have heard something about these messages though. JMO.

 

[JosieJo]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> The "affair" in my opinion has done what it needed to do for the prosecution

Shown she is telling lies on oath so would lie about anything

A couple of the last attacks were to get Dr Choc onto the unit with her ..imo

 

[DianaWW]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> And they had to show his messages during the trial, they were discussing the alleged victims after all, (as well as the fact he was sharing confidential information with her) so it certainly wasn’t done to try and ruin his life!

And the trip to London, whether as friends or not, is evidence that she lied about having to hide away after being moved from the unit, when in fact she had an active social life. This is why it was mentioned.

On top of this he was involved in the care of some of these babies, so had to be called as a witness, as did every other member of staff that had any involvement.

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> LL said Doc Choc started working there around September 2015. Ali Ventress seemed to be around for a couple of crash calls before Doc Choc was. Also when Doc Choc said how safe things felt when she was on duty, LL said another (male) doctor had said the same previously.

 

[Jazmania]

Wow. Can we all agree that LL taking the stand has not worked out in her favour? For the defence's sake they really need to bring in some experts now to bolster their case, otherwise I don't think the jury will be deliberating for as long as people were previously expecting...

 

[Penny68]

I actually felt quite saddened for baby Ns father earlier; that agreed “fact” in evidence where baby’s Ns father claimed LL called him- was then redacted. Another case where a parent is wrong, colleagues and doctors are wrong. Everyone was mistaken or wrong- except the accused apparently.
Moo

Yes I too feel saddened about the father.

LL has said she did not phone Baby N's father, well surely by now the person who did phone him would have come forward to say it was he/she who made that call. Yet no one ever has said it was them.

 

[Sundial]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> Just my opinion- but I actually feel as though whilst she is the accused; his involvement with her is bound to be questionable, and quite rightly so.
I must ask why it’s ok to listen/read about her colleagues interactions and their squabbles and “bitchiness” and what it was over and the dynamics of these friendships- but not to question the interactions between her and dr choc (whether it was romantic or not).

The very fact she called specifically for “that” doctor when another doctor had arrived to attend to baby P I think?, it must be considered “why” was his attendance specifically relevant and how did it contribute to the case as a whole. Because she was sweet, crushing on him, because he clearly was quite fond of her. We then see that emotional connection where for whatever reason, she (they) are sharing this very interpersonal emotional grief together. Shared common ground that no-one else understands.

Isn’t this what she was trying to do with Mel? It was discussed by message to JJK, “no-one else understands”. Poor you, bad luck, on your shift again etc
She even wanted to talk to Mel about such loss (that shared grief) and apparently Mel wouldn’t.

It may have become a shenanigan with dr choc later on, but we get to see how through his perusal of her through flattery and chocolates etc, he clearly very much liked her, spent time in London with her, sending love emojis, swooning- to me he appears to be almost like this “suitable” aid in sharing the grief and giving her that sympathy she appeared to crave so much.

In the grand scheme of things and every other interaction and activity with colleagues, messages, days out and messaging her mum, keeping hand over sheets at both her home address and her parents etc; the interaction with dr choc and that “why” imo is significant to the case. Regardless, dr choc I’m sure will have his own questions to be accountable for.

JMO MOO

 

[mummyshark]

Mr Johnson says at that time 'you had a house, a car, a boyfriend' 'Yes', she says

Is he referring to Doc Choc as her boyfriend with this question? And did she just slip up and confirm that he was in fact her boyfriend?

ETA: I can see this has been covered extensively and I'm late to the party!

 

[Dotta]

Yup, and if they HAVE got her to admit that he was her boyfriend, then she's lied under oath about that previously, as well as various other things (the PJs, the not being able to socialise)

JMO

IF GUILTY...

IMO
She seems to be a deeply disturbed individual torn by compulsions, filled with self/ hatred, unable to connect significantly with others and reality.

I had this feeling almost from the start, by the way.

Was her maniacal behaviour and compulsive lying (even about trivial matters) noticed by those close to her in the past?

I don't think the family will ever talk about it.

JMO

 

[Sundial]

As this Friday eve draws to a close; I wonder how the accused thinks todays hearing went.

 

[esther43]

--Babies frequently desaturate down to 30%---it happens often [and did many times in COCH, pre-2015

Oh my my, lies, lies, lies! Especially this one I'd have thought! Particularly in a level 2.

 

[Sweeper2000]

mr Johnson seems to be finishing with a flourish as others predicted. If mr Myers has nothing after this, I’m almost certain it’s a done deal.

 

[esther43]

Mr Johnson says he will go through the cases.
He says for Child A, staffing levels were a shortcoming in administering a long line.
For Child B, nothing,
For Child C, nothing.
For Child D, the antibiotics being delayed 'may have had an impact on her'.
For Child E, the delay in giving him a blood transfusion.
For Child F, nothing.
For Child G, possibly the colleague had overfed the baby, but that was later retracted.
For Child H, the location of the chest drains may have had an influence.
For Child I, that Ashleigh Hudson should have put her on a monitor, and that 'potentially' Dr Chang being called away.
For Child J, nothing.
For Child K, nothing, other than the ET Tube may not have been secured.
For Child L, nothing.
For Child M, nothing.
For Child N, nothing other than it was busy.
For Child O, concerns raised by Sophie Ellis were dealt with on the charts.
For Child P, an issue with a chest drain.
For Child Q, nothing

Mr NJ KC showing no mercy what so ever!

 

[Dotta]

Mr NJ KC showing no mercy what so ever!

No Mercy for the (alleged) Wicked!

 

[Honeybirdette]

mr Johnson seems to be finishing with a flourish as others predicted. If mr Myers has nothing after this, I’m almost certain it’s a done deal.

Really?? I thought you were team NG

 

[Cluedoneit]

Imo the affair was very important to the prosecution. A large barrier for the prosecution was to get the jurors to discard the image of ‘the angelic nurse letby’ shown in the fundraising photos. She further compounded that image by saying that she didn’t swear, didn’t understand sexual innuendos , was very sheltered etc.

Poor Lucy being arrested in her nightdress at 6am, being isolated from her ‘family’ at the hospital and terrified for her future because of the big bad doctors conspiring to scapegoat her for their mistakes.
It was so effective that people were willing to overlook the Facebook searches, data protection breeches and odd behaviour as she was just like them, their friend, partner, children and couldn’t possibly do anything wrong on purpose.
Now the prosecution has effectively in my opinion , shown a very different side to Lucy. One who on several occasions neglected her job to spend hours texting with her mates, moaning about co-workers who she felt were not as good as her, giggling about a flirtation with a married man. Not once in those text messages did she tell her friends or Dr Choc, of course I’m not interested he’s married with kids, even when the flirting was at an early stage.

Of course, this doesn’t mean she’s guilty of murder, but it does show that’s she’s very capable of being selfish and self-centred when it suits her, she’s blatantly lied on the stand without blinking and is far from being the ‘nice Lucy’ she presents at first glance.

sorry for the essay !

 

[Sweeper2000]

Really?? I thought you were team NG

I didn’t know I was under a flag or stood in opposition to others ? No, just making observations that is all. Very much in the middle and waiting to hear all, currently the prosecution seem to have made the clearer case.

 

[JosieJo]

Has anyone read anything about who is up next on Wednesday?