UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

[Tortoise]

Yes we got to see the documents that he was referencing at the time on a screen.

From memory I don't believe the jury was going to get a copy of these documents (I am fairly sure that is what the judge said)

It was 26 pages if I remember rightly and this was only introduced as material by the prosecution for the cross examination that very morning!
The judge gave Letby 30 minutes to read the documents and then the cross examination started.

From memory it was a bit like a excel spreadsheet with different times and dates and messages etc and on that spreadsheet were around 5 or 6 photographs of "Night's out". The odd photo of cocktails and some solely of her friends but these photos were not enlarged, but were visible and touched upon briefly.


In answer to the other question, no I am not surprised she took the stand.
She has a very self assured manner about her and she can articulate herself incredibly well when she wants to. I want to say that she probably thinks she knows better than anyone else (she has that kind of vibe to her)

If I have got anything wrong in the above hopefully the user "Legal" can assist.

Thank you!

The impression I'm getting is she doesn't (successfully) engender much sympathy.

JMO

 

[notsure]

Hahaha that was me !! That is so funny we were actually sat together lol

If only you'd been wearing name badges... "CS2C" and "Legal"

 

[Kemug]

Nurses, were angels in every sense of the word, and it wouldn’t cross your mind that babies could be allegedly murdered by a nurse or brutally assaulted, also allegedly. This case is haunting and unfortunately if found guilty all nurses will be tarred with her sins. MOO

Back then, nurses wore white, making them look even more angelic!

 

[Legal]

Hahaha that was me !! That is so funny we were actually sat together lol

Brilliant!

 

[WaxLyrical]

Or the whole experience and name was fresh in her memory when she searches for it but has faded in the intervening years

Yeah this is a fair point, for some reason I’ve been assuming there’s quite a time span between the baby and the FB search, but there’s nothing to suggest that. We don’t even know which baby it is, or when the Facebook search was done.

 

[Kemug]

Wear name tags next time!

 

[JosieJo]

Hello! Do you remember prosecution saying one of the groups of fb searches included 2 babies that had died but one was still in the unit? This doesn't seem to have been reported.

Thanks for all the info...the one that hadn't died at the time of the search did they say if it was one of the babies she was charged with ? Thanks

 

[CS2C]

Thank you!

The impression I'm getting is she doesn't (successfully) engender much sympathy.

JMO

She actually had a little laugh when she was asked "Were you looking for sympathy" Hard to explain what I mean without doing an impression in person but it was like *slight chuckle/shock* "Yes of course I was looking for sympathy" kind of response. That was the one and only time she did that.

 

[Kemug]

And you are both 5 gold star heroines!

 

[Tortoise]

She actually had a little laugh when she was asked "Were you looking for sympathy" Hard to explain what I mean without doing an impression in person but it was like *slight chuckle/shock* "Yes of course I was looking for sympathy" kind of response. That was the one and only time she did that.

Sounds like she might have given away that she is secretly enjoying it? Or not?

 

[marynnu]

Back then, nurses even wore white, making them look even more angelic!

White would have been very unusual for a nurse's uniform!

 

[Dotta]

Re her being "robotic, expressionless, emotionless"

It might all be the effect of meds, or depression or just plain resignation.

I don't think it is her usual demeanour.

IMO her Defence has been very weak so far, but maybe it will change in coming days, who knows.

Also,
this disagreement between her and Defence about the agreed fact (phone call to the child's father) looks really unprofessional (to put it mildly).

Im worried it might have some repercussions.

JMO

 

[Legal]

Thanks for all the info...the one that hadn't died at the time of the search did they say if it was one of the babies she was charged with ? Thanks

Yes, it was. I'm going to go back over the reports and see if I can find reference to this.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Ah so her alleged snappiness was because she knew the implications if she couldn't spell it from memory.(if guilty)

JMO

I don't really get the significance of this; if you search someone on FB and don't get the name exactly right it'll give you suggestions. As soon as you click on a suggestion to view the profile it records that profile in your search history, correct name and all.

You don't need to type the name correctly in order for it to be on your search history.

 

[CS2C]

Hello! Do you remember prosecution saying one of the groups of fb searches included 2 babies that had died but one was still in the unit? This doesn't seem to have been reported.

I do not remember the details but I have a faint recollection of him saying something like "But was still on the unit at that time"

Does that sound right to you ?

 

[Legal]

Re her being "robotic, expressionless, emotionless"

It might all be the effect of meds, or depression or just plain resignation.

I don't think it is her usual demeanour.

IMO her Defence has been very weak so far, but maybe it will change in coming days, who knows.

Also,
this disagreement between her and Defence about the agreed fact (phone call to the child's father) looks really unprofessional (to put it mildly).

Im worried it might have some repercussions.

JMO

Don't worry, Dotta! I feel it just makes her look worse, disagreeing with one of the parents!

 

[Legal]

I do not remember the details but I have a faint recollection of him saying something like "But *advertiser censored* was still on the unit at that time"

Does that sound right to you ?

Yes! I'll have another look through the reports.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Or the whole experience and name was fresh in her memory when she searches for it but has faded in the intervening years

And, let's not forget, but spelling names verbally is not the same as typing them for a lot of people. I can type stuff out automatically that I'd have to think about if spelling aloud.

 

[JosieJo]

Yes, it was. I'm going to go back over the reports and see if I can find reference to this.

Wow so she searched some of her alleged victims alongside a possible potential one ..I wonder how close after the search the baby died ...thanks

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, it was. I'm going to go back over the reports and see if I can find reference to this.

this was CS - Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 9 - cross-examination continues

Mr Johnson turns to the Facebook searches Letby made for parents of children in the indictment. Three searches are made for parents in quick succession. Mr Johnson asks what the link is.
Letby: "They are babies that have died and been seriously unwell."
Letby is asked about another series of searches for three parents' names.
LL: "They are babies that had something significant to them and they were on my mind."
Letby is asked why she didn't give that answer to the police.
LL: "Because I couldn't recall why I had looked at some of them."
NJ: "Is that a true answer?"
LL: "Yes."
NJ: "You were checking up on your victims."
LL: "No - I look at a variety of [parents]."

11:46am

NJ: "You were a killer who was looking at your victims, weren't you?"
LL: "No."
Mr Johnson asks about a series of other searches, and says one of the parents' names has an 'unusual spelling'. Letby is asked to spell that name out in court. She does it incorrectly.
NJ: "You read it [the name of the parent] off a handover sheet, didn't you?"
LL: "No."

11:49am

Letby is asked about another series of searches.
Letby: "They were on my mind at the time."
One search was made on Christmas Day, for the mother of Child E and Child F.
NJ: "She was the person who caught you in the act?"
LL: "No, [mother of Child E and Child F] and I had a good relationship at the time."

this was Sky -Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Nick Johnson, the prosecution barrister, then goes back through some of Letby's Facebook searches.
Letby has previously been accused of looking up her alleged victims' families online, and a series of searches are being read to the court.
25 June 2015
At 21:50 Letby searched for the parents of Children A and B.
At 21:51 Letby searched for the parents of Child D - Letby previously said she "didn't remember" this baby.
"What was the connection in your mind between those three people," Mr Johnson asks.
"They are babies who have died from being seriously unwell," Letby says.
5 October 2015
At 01:16 Letby searched for mother of Child I.
At 01:17 Letby searched for father of Children E and F.
"What did they have in common?" Mr Johnson asks.
"Again they are babies that had something significant happen to them and they were on my mind," Letby says.
"You were checking up on your victims, weren't you?"
"No."
He later says: "You were a killer who was looking at your victims."
"No," she replies.
Several other examples are read out to the court.
5 November 2015
At 23:40 Letby searched for the mother of Children E and F.
At 23:40 Letby searched for the mother of Child G.
At 23:44 Letby searched for mother of Child I.
Letby denies these families were grouped together for any reason.
25 December 2015
Letby searched for the mother of Children E and F.
"I often thought of [her]," she tells the court.
"She was the person who caught you in the act," Mr Johnson says, adding that this would have been reason enough to remember her.
"No, [we] had a good relationship."