UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #25

[MachinaCollecta]

11:03am

Benjamin Myers KC, for Letby's defence, has told the trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, this is day 129 of the trial.
He says to the court there is one witness to give evidence in relation to the sanitation of the hospital.

11:07am

Lorenzo Mansutti, who works at the Countess of Chester Hospital, has had many years of experience in plumbing.
He has provided a witness statement.
He says the plumbing in the Countess of Chester Hospital's Women's and Children's Building, between 2015-2016, had been built in the 1960s and 1970s, and says there were "issues with the drainage system".
He says he had to deal with "various blockages" and the cast-iron piping would crack for "a number of reasons" including age.
Asked what would happen if the pipes were blocked, he replies it would come back through the next available point, such as toilets or wash basins. He confirms that would include sewage.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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I’m not sure why the defence are betting on sanitation so strongly! It doesn’t explain air embolisms and insulin overdosages, if such things did indeed occur IMO

 

[marynnu]

@Jayney404 And ironically LL had been moved to the well-paid job in the hospital’s risk and patient safety office!.

I imagine she was paid her normal Band 5 salary, so would have been considerably worse off!

 

[Jayney404]

@Jayney404 And ironically LL had been moved to the well-paid job in the hospital’s risk and patient safety office!.

Horrifying isn’t it!

Imo JMO if guilty

 

[DianaWW]

'An occasion'...as in it happened once? Don't get me wrong, it's disgusting and unacceptable, but it doesn't explain what LL is being accused of IMO.

 

[Jayney404]

Taken from the Chester Standard

Benjamin Myers KC, for Letby's defence, has told the trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, this is day 129 of the trial.

He says to the court there is one witness to give evidence in relation to the sanitation of the hospital.

IS THAT ALL THEY HAVE !?

I said we’d hear from the plumber! (I was joking though) shocked this is the rebuttal!

 

[marynnu]

I’m not sure why the defence are betting on sanitation so strongly! It doesn’t explain air embolisms and insulin overdosages, if such things did indeed occur IMO

Death by plumbing, an interesting concept.

 

[marynnu]

Do you reckon the witness is a mop?

(Bad joke, my apologies!)

More likely a plunger.

 

[CS2C]

I am speechless if this is all they have....

I am lost for words

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Death by plumbing, an interesting concept.

The sewage is awful if it did happen the way it’s described but I just don’t get how it benefits LL’s defence at all in reference to the things she’s been accused of.

 

[DianaWW]

11:15am

Mr Myers says there were Datix forms presented to Mr Mansutti, one dated January 26, 2016.
It is a 'non-clincial incident' of a 'flood' type.
Nursery 4 was closed at 2.30am 'due to plumbing work/deep cleaning of nursery.' 'Mixer tap was switched on, and sink completely blocked.' 'Floor noted to be completely flooded'. 'Water within sink noted to contain much black debris. Sink still blocked however'.
The nursery was 'noted to be flooded again at approximately 4.30am', with the 'floor almost completely flooded again'.
Nurse Christopher Booth reported the incident.
Mr Mansutti confirms this is an incident different from that which was reported in room 1.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

In the years I worked I bet I received 100s of on call reports about floods, plumbing, ants , mice etc ...standard stuff you would just vacate the area ASAP remedy the problem and get the area a specialist deep clean and log an incident...we never had an increase in deaths...jmo only

 

[marynnu]

In the years I worked I bet I received 100s of on call reports about floods, plumbing, ants , mice etc ...standard stuff you would just vacate the area ASAP remedy the problem and get the area a specialist deep clean and log an incident...we never had an increase in deaths...jmo only

Exactly. And cockroaches are everywhere in old hospitals. It's just dealt with, no issues.

 

[DianaWW]

11:24am

A service report of 'blocked drains' is shown to the court.
Mr Mansutti says these service reports are "usually" urgent. The report shown to the court is on July 4, 2015. It happened in the maternity wing of the Countess of Chester Hospital, in the central labour suite [CLS], ward 35.
He says incidents would be delegated to team members.
A second incident is shown reported at August 8, 2015, a 'flood in the CLS' (ward 35), for which Mr Mansutti was called out.
Another is on October 2, 2015, for blocked drains in the CLS.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

Literally grasping at straws, if this is their defense.

 

[katydid23]

NJ must have been given a heads up yesterday, about this witness and his reported incidents. This ought to be an interesting cross.

It's probably going to highlight what professional steps Mr Mansutti takes, once he arrives at the call. Are all patients safely removed from area? Once work is completed, is the area fully cleaned with anti-bacterial cleansers and bleach?

 

[DianaWW]

11:28am

Another is on October 6, 2015, in the neonatal unit, to 'investigate flood'.
Mr Mansutti says it could be a waste pipe, or rainwater.
Another report is on January 26, 2016, a 'leak in the neonatal unit/SCBU'.
Another is on February 24, 2016, a 'burst pipe in sluice' in 'ward 35 CLS'.
Another is on March 18, 2016, in the neonatal unit, nursery room 2 and the kitchen. There were two 'blocked sinks'.
Another is on April 10, 2016, in ward 35 CLS, as 'Sluicemaster and drains blocked'. Mr Mansutti says the Sluicemaster is a bedpan machine.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[marynnu]

One good thing, we'll all be qualified to work as plumbers by the time this trial has finished.

 

[bbsaz]

I'm thinking it was poorly worded in CS. That there is 1 witness for sanitation. Presumably other witnesses for other topics. Presumably Myers builds up, leaving the 'best' until last.

 

[DianaWW]

11:32am

Another report is on June 6, 2016, a 'flood in courtyard' of the neonatal unit. Mr Mansutti says this may have followed a heavy downpour. He does not believe the foul drainage runs that way, so it would more likely be surface water.
Another report is on July 5, 2016, in ward 35/CLS, for 'various plumbing jobs in NNU'.
'Check pall water filters for poor flow'
'Check that all valves in the ceiling void are fully open - NNU and by theatres...'
'Leaking sink in Sluiceroom - please check'.
Mr Myers asks about the last of these jobs.
Mr Mansutti says it is likely a leak in one of the sinks. He says there is not a Sluiceroom in the neonatal unit.

Lucy Letby Case #38

Nurse Letby on a tea break when the sinks are overflowing....

tattle.life

 

[bbsaz]

My bet is on a statistical expert, a medical expert to refuse the AE theory and maybe some colleagues who thought she was wonderful