UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #26

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12:00pm

Dr Andreas Marnerides' evidence is "compelling and uncontroverted", Mr Johnson says. He says the conclusions were that "significant" force was applied
It was "certainly not" an injury formed by CPR. He had never seen, heard of or read of this kind of injury caused by CPR. Mr Johnson says the idea this is the only time this has happened by CPR is "truly fanciful".
He says there is no corresponding puncture injury from a needle. The outer surface injury was likely caused after death as there was no 'active circulation' for Child O.
There was 'profound gastric and intenstinal distention' - ie they were 'blown up with air'.
Dr Andreas Marnerides concluded it was by injected air and air embolus.
Mr Johnson says this case was among the most violent carried out by Letby.
He adds: "Of all the offences, all the appalling examples - some of the earliest were less violent but no less devastating." He cites the case of Child E as one of the early, vioent examples.
He says Letby had "misplaced confidence" following her return from Ibiza.
He adds: "Frankly, by this stage, she was completely out of control, and was determined to give [the same kind of attack to Child P the following day]."

 
  • #322
I see it as using and manipulating Doc Choc as well as everyone else.
Gaslit.
MOO
 
  • #323
I see it as using and manipulating Doc Choc as well as everyone else.
Gaslit.
MOO
I agree 100%

It's one of the areas I'm hoping NJ will expand on.
 
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Dan O'Donoghue

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Mr Johnson has said by June 2016, Ms Letby was 'completely out of control' and had the 'misplaced confidence that she could do pretty much do whatever she wanted'
 
  • #325
12:11pm

The trial is resuming after a short break.

That was the short break? or it's about to happen?
I have to go out so hope someone, the indefatigable Tortoise or AN Other, will take over.
 
  • #326
12:21pm

Mr Johnson turns to the case of Child P, who was 'doing well'.
His case "caused confusion" with several witnesses as to when he came off breathing support, he says.
Child P was breathing in air from 6.30am on June 23, 2016 and his antibiotics were stopped, and he was put on expressed breast milk. His observations were 'unremarkable'. A further examination at 6pm was carried out.
Dr Gibbs said, following Child O's death: "Oh no, not another one". He said he had become increasingly concerned about the number of incidents on the neonatal unit, and that Letby had been involved in all of them. Child P's abdomen was 'full...mildly distended'.
Letby had said the student nurse had fed Child P that evening. Mr Johnson says this was a lie.
Child P was "remarkably well - excellent for a triplet baby". Blood tests were taken as a precaution at 6.45pm, showing "no evidence of infection". As a precaution, Child P was put on to antibiotics.
Dr Gibbs said the abdominal distention was 'CPAP belly', but he said he had 'misread the chart' - Child P had not had CPAP for two days, and had been taken off Optiflow.
"That was not CPAP belly," Mr Johnson tells the court.
Mr Johnson says Letby overfed Child P just before she left her shift so she could give the impression this was a child who was deteriorating.

12:29pm

Mr Johnson says what happened here "mirrors" what happened with Child N earlier that month in June 2016.
He says Letby did not leave the unit until 9pm that night on June 23. A message sent by Letby to a doctor colleague said she was finishing up notes for Child O.
Emphasis had been put on a good blood gas reading for Child P at 8.27pm on June 23 by the defence, Mr Johnson says, but Sophie Ellis gave evidence to say Child P desaturated and had a '14ml part digested milk aspirate' at the 8pm feed.
Mr Johnson asks what possible other cause is there other than Letby overfeeding Child P for the baby's last feed before the end of her shift? Mr Johnson says that is why Letby says the last feed was done by the student nurse.
Overnight, another large part-digested aspirate was obtained and Child P's [my note - feeds?] were stopped as a precaution. The NG Tube was placed on free drainage.
Kathryn Percival-Ward [Calderbank] said Child P was "a well baby" but his abdomen was distended, so she decided to aspirate the stomach. This was recorded at 4am. A further 5mls of air and 2mls of milk were aspirated by Sophie Ellis at 7am.
Mr Johnson says the problem Letby had created had been "resolved by proper nursing care" by the two night-shift nurses.


Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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Mr Johnson has now turned to Child O's triplet brother, Child P, who Ms Letby is alleged to have murdered 24hrs after Child O's death

Dan O'Donoghue
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Mr Johnson said Ms Leby's actions towards Child P displayed her 'malevolence at its height' - he says the nurse 'did something to destabilise' Child P before she left her shift on 23 June and then text a colleague to say 'worry as identical'

Dan O'Donoghue

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Mr Johnson said: 'This is gaslighting at its very worst isn't it.....she was laying the ground for her attack on (Child P)'
 
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12:39pm

Child P had been, quote, "a little angel overnight", as said in agreed evidence.
Letby came on duty, and Child P collapsed shortly afterwards.
Mr Johnson says this was Letby at her most malevolent.
The 'worry as identical' was "gaslighting at its very best - or worst", as Letby had been laying the lines for what would happen to Child P the next day, Mr Johnson says.
"There was nothing wrong with [Child P] at the end of that night shift".
Mr Johnson says Letby 'decided to use the template from the day before'. Letby recorded in notes: 'Abdomen full - loops visible, soft to touch.'
Mr Johnson says that note wasn't written until 13 hours later, and was a "fabricated note" to give the impression of what had been happening earlier that day for Child P.
He says Sophie Ellis recorded for Child O - 'abdo looks full, slightly loopy'.
Mr Johnson says this is the equivalent of copying someone's work.
He says this observation "happened out of nowhere" for Child P, for a child on free drainage, having been stable. He says if that was observed, Letby would have escalated it immediately, in light of what had happened the previous day.
Mr Johnson says instead Letby was texting a doctor colleague at 8.04am. 'I'll be watching them both like a hawk. I''m ok. Don't want to be here really. Hoping I may get the new admissions...'
She also mentioned 'I've got [other triplet] and [Child P], [Child P] has stopped feeds as large asps.'
Mr Johnson says there is no mention of a loopy bowel for Child P, by Letby to her doctor colleague, as "there is no problem".

 
  • #328
I see it as using and manipulating Doc Choc as well as everyone else.
Gaslit.
MOO

All JMO:
Manipulating him to get information perhaps? Given that he shared that consultant email with her. I'd love to know what they discussed on those various outings.
 
  • #329
12:46pm

At 9.35am on June 24, Dr Anthony Ukoh did a ward round and examined Child P, finding a mildly distended abdomen with bloating. Letby had said looping was visible at this time, and Dr Ukoh had noted this. Mr Johnson says the note was checked and it was not noted. The abdomen was 'soft', he recorded.
A consultant doctor noted nothing of concern, other than a distended abdomen.
Mr Johnson says there is another case of Letby falsifying notes here. A nursing note by Letby said Child P had been 'Neopuffed for a minute before being examined by Dr Ukoh'.
Mr Johnson says it is suggested this is a deliberate misrecording, minutes before Child P's collapse around 9.40am. He says it is a way of 'covering what she did', by 'pumping [Child P] full of air.'
Child P 'crashed', stopped breathing and his heart stopped. He was 'dusky and mottled', according to a witness.
A doctor was alerted to Child P in room 2 at 9.50am, it was 'not an emergency, but something he should be called to'. Letby was "not in the room" according to student nurse Rebecca Morgan. Mr Johnson says the jury should consider why that would be the case, as Letby didn't have any designated babies outside of room 2.


12:48pm

Dr Ukoh said Child P "appeared very different" from earlier.
He added: "Whoever was doing the Neopuff was very keen on getting [the doctor] in".
Mr Johnson says to the jury it's clear who that would be, that Letby wanted this doctor colleague to be present.
NJ: "For some reason, she enjoyed these situations, and he was there."

 
  • #330
Did the student nurse testify that she did not give Baby P’s their last feeding? Or how does the prosecution know this?
 
  • #331
All JMO:
Manipulating him to get information perhaps? Given that he shared that consultant email with her. I'd love to know what they discussed on those various outings.
I think it's so she could keep control of her environment, her hunting ground or playground of sorts, if guilty.
 
  • #332
All this put together is almost too much to bear. God knows how it feels for the parents. :(
 
  • #333
Did the student nurse testify that she did not give Baby P’s their last feeding? Or how does the prosecution know this?

"A feeding chart is presented to the court.
All the feeds from 8am-4pm are signed by a student nurse and co-signed by Letby.
The 6pm feed is signed only by Letby."

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11:04am

In police interviews, Letby said the student nurse fed Child P at two-hourly intervals on June 23, and she had fed Child P alone at 6pm.

Lucy Letby trial recap: Prosecution finishes outlining case, defence gives statement

eta - child P did not collapse and die until the afternoon of the following day, so admitting to this feed was probably not seen by her as anything to hide when she was being interviewed by police. Now that the prosecution pointed out the patterns and her alleged sabotage as a prelude to his death, she denies she fed him that evening. JMO
 
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12:53pm

Mr Johnson says the second deterioration happened at 11.30am, and CPR was required.
One female doctor said Child P was "vigorous" and fighting the ventilator, something which was unusual as it would not fit the sign of a baby fighting infection.
Mr Johnson says Child P was being sabotaged - blood tests excluded infection for Child P.
An x-ray at 11.57am showed a pnemothorax and air in the bowel. Just after noon, a female doctor saw several nurses including Letby, and told the people there the transport team would be there soon.
The doctor said: "I was thinking out loud" - and, Mr Johnson says, Letby replied "He's not leaving here alive is he?"
This is something which was not disputed by the defence, and Letby had said in cross-examination it was said out of concern.
In police interview, Letby said she could not remember saying that, Mr Johnson adds.

12:56pm

Letby had agreed in cross-examination it was "not the done thing" to say such a thing, then she had said she couldn't remember saying it.
Mr Johnson says it was not disputed she had said it, the question was "Why?"
NJ: "She was controlling things - she was enjoying what was going on and happily predicting what was going to happen - she was 'playing god'."
The female doctor had said: "Don't say that." in response.
The comment was "highly unusual" and "shocking", the female doctor said.

1:01pm

Child P's 12.28pm collapse should be thought in the context of Child K, Mr Johnson says.
Two doctors had taken a break when a shout for help happened at this time. When they returned, Lucy Letby was in the room. A doctor said it looked like Child P had "dislodged his ET Tube".
Mr Johnson says if the tube was blocked, it had done so in a short period of time, having only been put in hours earlier.
Mr Johnson says this collapse happened "at the precise moment" the two doctors had left the room, and Letby was present, and the ET Tube dislodged in Child K, when Letby was present, doing nothing. He says the jury should take that all into account.
He says the jury can also take account of Letby's remark "He's not getting out of here alive is he?" made shortly before this collapse.
Mr Johnson says the ET Tube was not blocked, Letby had dislodged it. Child P was reintubated and further resuscitation efforts began.
Dr Bohin said the pnemothorax was a contributory factor in the collapse of Child P, but not the overall cause.

1:03pm

Dr Stephen Brearey reviewed the circumstances of Child P's death, and regarded the events that day as "exceptional", and could not find a cause.
A doctor could not identify any cause as to what had gone on. He thought it 'highly unlikely' the death was complications over the pnemothorax'.


Dan O'Donoghue

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Mr Johnson quotes evidence of a doctor, who cannot be named - she told the jury that Ms Letby had remarked that Child P was not going to leave the hospital alive, while they were waiting on an emergency transport. The doctor found this comment 'highly unusual'

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Mr Johnson said Ms Letby said what she did as she 'knew what was going to happen', he said she was 'controlling things and was happily predicting something she knew was going to happen…she in effect was playing god'
 
  • #335
He’s doing a really thoroughly excellent job. Even with the potential gaps in reporting we’re getting such a clear clear picture and a much more comprehensive timeline involving her in each incident.
 
  • #336
All this put together is almost too much to bear. God knows how it feels for the parents. :(
I can only imagine the screams from the public gallery (families) if found guilty
 
  • #337
Lucy, whyyyyy :oops::(
 
  • #338
He says the note Child O was put on to CPAP from Optiflow was "a lie", and it had been spotted by Dr Sandie Bohin.
Letby had said in evidence 'he wasn't on the full CPAP machine, he may have been receiving CPAP via Neopuff, I don't know.'
Since when has Neopuff been referred to as CPAP? I know that they essentially do the same job but so far as I know CPAP has always been CPAP and Neopuff has always been Neopuff. Imagine not knowing one from the other or mixing up your terms in an acute situation.
 
  • #339
This reporting is unbearable, the heinous attacks are unbelievable and the poor families are listening to it all. God Bless them all.
MOO
 
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I can't stop thinking about the remaining triplet boy. Without his 2 brothers, a unique identical trio, doing everything together, possibly all dressed the same etc... The families will be forever tormented with what could have been
 
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