UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #26

[CS2C]

Recalling my visit to court and witnessing Lucy Letbys last day under cross examination.

I just noticed something as inconsequential as it may be but Lucy met up with Dr A away from Chester TWICE. Once in May in Hertford NOT Harford as Mr Johnson mishears/mistreads and once in London in June. So that is two separate trips away with the milky bar kid.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Perfectly put Blondie. What utterly harrowing reporting today.
The sheer ARROGANCE of thinking she could of would get away with this literally defies belief - Who is this person sitting in the dock ?
MOO

I could imagine it’s hard for those who’ve been to the court to resonate the person in the dock/on the stand to these horrific crimes. IMO if guilty, this is what allowed her to get away with it for so long. It’s just a frightening reality that people of all appearances, shapes and sizes, backgrounds and professions can have evil lurking in them (if guilty).

If guilty, I wonder if her chosen profession was a factor in her (allegedly) developing such a compulsion. In any other situation, any other job I doubt (if guilty) that she would have escalated to the point of (alleged) murder.
MOO

 

[Dotta]

Recalling my visit to court and witnessing Lucy Letbys last day under cross examination.

I just noticed something as inconsequential as it may be but Lucy met up with Dr A away from Chester TWICE. Once in May in Hertford NOT Harford as Mr Johnson mishears/mistreads and once in London in June. So that is two separate trips away with the milky bar kid.

If she is guilty...

When in Court you might have witnessed a serial killer in person.

My mind simply boggles as for me such perps are only known from films/documentaries/
books.
They don't even seem real.

And yet, she seemed normal/a typical young woman to those who attended Court.

"The banality of evil"
comes to mind.

JMO

 

[Lincoln34]

The treatment of the Doctors, Consultants and Experts by Defence was sickening IMO.
I was disgusted when I read the reports during these past months.
Sorry to be blunt, but that was and is MY OPINION

Agreed. As I’ve mentioned on a previous thread Dr J pretty much saved my new born son who had a kidney infection.

They needed a blood sample when he was admitted at 7 weeks old and my son was so tiny although born at term . He screamed his head off when the nurses were unable to get one for about 25 mins - this was in 2005 so before LL on unit. Dr J just calmly took over and got the sample in seconds and then explained to me in a way which was easy to understand where the tests would go from there ( They were worried son had kidney reflux but it was thank fully just an infection. ) He came to check on me and my son later.

I know it’s just one person’s experience of Dr. J but I am FUMING about him being maligned in this case.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

If she is guilty...

When in Court you might have witnessed a serial killer in person.

My mind simply boggles as for me such perps are only known from films/documentaries/
books.
They don't even seem real.

And yet, she seemed normal/a typical young woman to those who attended Court.

"The banality of evil"
comes to mind.

JMO

If guilty we are here witnessing history on this thread. Possibly if guilty the most prolific female serial killer of recent times. And as far as I have found, the only (alleged) serial killer of neonates. Even some of the worst of the worst draw the line at harming babies, and even those who harm babies draw the line at those in neonatal. But when you look at other HCSK’s and see how many prey on the most vulnerable, usually the elderly, targeting neonates who have no idea what’s going on and are unable to fight back its horrific yet in the eyes of a killer if guilty she had access to a constant stream of the ‘perfect’ victim.

It takes a special kind of monster IMO to target tiny babies some of whom haven’t even lived long enough to see their 1 week milestone never mind 1st birthday!

If guilty MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I could imagine it’s hard for those who’ve been to the court to resonate the person in the dock/on the stand to these horrific crimes. IMO if guilty, this is what allowed her to get away with it for so long. It’s just a frightening reality that people of all appearances, shapes and sizes, backgrounds and professions can have evil lurking in them (if guilty).

If guilty, I wonder if her chosen profession was a factor in her (allegedly) developing such a compulsion. In any other situation, any other job I doubt (if guilty) that she would have escalated to the point of (alleged) murder.
MOO

It's strange because by all accounts my impression is that she seems to have presented as nicely spoken, but what I'm not picking up from anyone is that she is making an emotional connection or impact. There seems to be some disconnect coming through, between what she's saying and how she is leaving people feeling. As if she is not able to access much emotional depth. It all seems to be more a case of constructing the right narrative, being cool and perhaps a bit superior and not riled up, winning the chess game, and knowing when to say no and yes, and nothing in the way of real charisma, emotional presence, imploring or tender-heartedness about her, which would create conflict with the allegations. It's hard to judge though from the limited reports.

JMO

 

[CS2C]

If she is guilty...

When in Court you might have witnessed a serial killer in person.

My mind simply boggles as for me such perps are only known from films/documentaries/
books.
They don't even seem real.

And yet, she seemed normal/a typical young woman to those who attended Court.

"The banality of evil"
comes to mind.

JMO

I know Dotta and being there in person, looking at her, observing her as closely as possible and every word coming out of her mouth I was thinking the exact same thing.

I felt so confused by seeing her on the first occasion, it threw me completely and left me driving home feeling incredibly uneasy about the entire case.

But having seen her again on that last day of cross examination I feel differently now.

If found guilty she has a very disarming yet confident nature and despite how she appears in a lot of the live reporting she comes across as someone who has a answer for bloody everything (when she chooses to answer that is)

 

[CS2C]

It's strange because by all accounts my impression is that she seems to have presented as nicely spoken, but what I'm not picking up from anyone is that she is making an emotional connection or impact. There seems to be some disconnect coming through, between what she's saying and how she is leaving people feeling. As if she is not able to access much emotional depth. It all seems to be more a case of constructing the right narrative, being cool and perhaps a bit superior and not riled up, winning the chess game, and knowing when to say no and yes, and nothing in the way of real charisma, emotional presence, imploring or tender-heartedness about her, which would create conflict with the allegations. It's hard to judge though from the limited reports.

JMO

Very shrewd observation Tortoise.

Someone who has also attended court and had posted earlier on in the thread remarked that she is a little “too composed” and that is a very good way of describing how she appears in person.

She doesn’t appear as someone “fighting for her life” up there ! It is like witnessing someone almost going through the motions and also vary wary of saying TOO much.

My own observations of course.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

It's strange because by all accounts my impression is that she seems to have presented as nicely spoken, but what I'm not picking up from anyone is that she is making an emotional connection or impact. There seems to be some disconnect coming through, between what she's saying and how she is leaving people feeling. As if she is not able to access much emotional depth. It all seems to be more a case of constructing the right narrative, being cool and perhaps a bit superior and not riled up, winning the chess game, and knowing when to say no and yes, and nothing in the way of real charisma, emotional presence, imploring or tender-heartedness about her, which would create conflict with the allegations. It's hard to judge though from the limited reports.

JMO

100% agree. There’s been a complete disconnect IMO and the only time she’s shown any emotional connection is to things that concern herself, pictures of her bedroom, her home, her (apparently not) ex boyfriend, her arrest.
Absolutely no emotional response to babies dying, the trauma of constantly being on shift and witnessing resuscitations which even for experienced doctors (who weren’t on shift for all of them) were traumatising.

I also wonder if she has a flat affect when speaking as opposed to being quite animated? It’s just whenever NJ has accused her of the most horrific and evil acts ‘you enjoyed harming these babies didn’t you’ LL: ‘no’
‘You killed these babies for attention didn’t you’
LL: ‘no’
‘You inflated child (x) with air/ poisoned them with insulin didn’t you?’
LL: ‘no’
Far from screaming from the rooftops. And atleast in the reporting the answers have been quite flat IMO.

MOO

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Very shrewd observation Tortoise.

Someone who has also attended court and had posted earlier on in the thread remarked that she is a little “too composed” and that is a very good way of describing how she appears in person.

She doesn’t appear as someone “fighting for her life” up there ! It is like witnessing someone almost going through the motions and also vary wary of saying TOO much.

My own observations of course.

Your observations and opinions are much valued! I agree that even from just reading updates I get a sense of flatness and emotional bluntness. But of course it could just be because reporters are typing at rapid speed trying to get the gist of what’s happening and the main points across. However some of her answers to direct confrontation when being accused of the absolute worst crimes imaginable come across as just a bit…flat IMO.

 

[CS2C]

100% agree. There’s been a complete disconnect IMO and the only time she’s shown any emotional connection is to things that concern herself, pictures of her bedroom, her home, her (apparently not) ex boyfriend, her arrest.
Absolutely no emotional response to babies dying, the trauma of constantly being on shift and witnessing resuscitations which even for experienced doctors (who weren’t on shift for all of them) were traumatising.

I also wonder if she has a flat affect when speaking as opposed to being quite animated? It’s just whenever NJ has accused her of the most horrific and evil acts ‘you enjoyed harming these babies didn’t you’ LL: ‘no’
‘You killed these babies for attention didn’t you’
LL: ‘no’
‘You inflated child (x) with air/ poisoned them with insulin didn’t you?’
LL: ‘no’
Far from screaming from the rooftops. And atleast in the reporting the answers have been quite flat IMO.

MOO

I wish I could record a voice clip of how she replies “No” there is a ever so slight cockiness to it.

I won’t expect anyone to know what I mean when I say this but let’s just say when you are thinking of something and you make that “Mmm” sound, her reply has a EVER so slight “Mmm No” like a almost faint cockiness to It and it is repeated in this manner over and over again. It is a cross between someone just “going through the motions” or someone appearing EVER so slightly cocky.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Recalling my visit to court and witnessing Lucy Letbys last day under cross examination.

I just noticed something as inconsequential as it may be but Lucy met up with Dr A away from Chester TWICE. Once in May in Hertford NOT Harford as Mr Johnson mishears/mistreads and once in London in June. So that is two separate trips away with the milky bar kid.

Are you sure Cs2c - They are both pronounced exactly the same ?

 

[Tortoise]

Are you sure Cs2c - They are both pronounced exactly the same ?

I think the podcast said it was a place called Hartford, which is a half hour away from Chester by road.

 

[CS2C]

Are you sure Cs2c - They are both pronounced exactly the same ?

100% Mr Johnson said “What’s this ? Har - Harford”

Letby “Hertford, that’s where I met the milky bar kid” nearly put his name then

100% he stumbled over Har-Harford ? And she said “Hertford, that’s were I met X”

Definite ‘T’ Hertford

Edit - Just been informed there is a place called Hartford.

 

[CS2C]

I think the podcast said it was a place called Hartford, which is a half hour away from Chester by road.

Ohhh you may well be right !!

It was Mr Johnson saying Harford which threw me off because he didn’t add the T

 

[esther43]

I could imagine it’s hard for those who’ve been to the court to resonate the person in the dock/on the stand to these horrific crimes. IMO if guilty, this is what allowed her to get away with it for so long. It’s just a frightening reality that people of all appearances, shapes and sizes, backgrounds and professions can have evil lurking in them (if guilty).

If guilty, I wonder if her chosen profession was a factor in her (allegedly) developing such a compulsion. In any other situation, any other job I doubt (if guilty) that she would have escalated to the point of (alleged) murder.
MOO

I think she would have already had the compulsion so she 'found nursing' much like some volunteers find their way into boy scout camps and so fourth... (Sorry!)

 

[notsure]

If she is guilty...

When in Court you might have witnessed a serial killer in person.

My mind simply boggles as for me such perps are only known from films/documentaries/
books.
They don't even seem real.

And yet, she seemed normal/a typical young woman to those who attended Court.

"The banality of evil"
comes to mind.

JMO

It makes me think we can never really see behind somebody's facade, if they are hiding something. Scary!

 

[Dotta]

Interesting that she kept pets.
2 cats as far as I remember.

She also was a Godmother to some family kids, which indicates a religious person.

Seemed close to parents, visited them often as a neighbour claimed.

A colleague mentioned grateful parents of children she supposedly took good care of in hospital.

So many "faces" of her.

JMO

 

[notsure]

Interesting that she kept pets.
2 cats as far as I remember.

She also was a Godmother to some family kids, which indicates a religious person.

Seemed close to parents, visited them often as a neighbour claimed.

A colleague mentioned grateful parents of children she supposedly took good care of in hospital.

So many "faces" of her.

JMO

Bad people can do good things / good people can do bad things. I don't know if I believe in good and evil, but some actions are so beyond comprehension...

 

[marynnu]

Interesting that she kept pets.
2 cats as far as I remember.

She also was a Godmother to some family kids, which indicates a religious person.

Seemed close to parents, visited them often as a neighbour claimed.

A colleague mentioned grateful parents of children she supposedly took good care of in hospital.

So many "faces" of her.

JMO

I don't think there's any indication she was religious really. But someone obviously valued her enough to have her as a godmother to their children, which I find interesting.