UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #26

[Dotta]

I don't think there's any indication she was religious really. But someone obviously valued her enough to have her as a godmother to their children, which I find interesting.

Im not sure about UK, but where I live a person cannot be a godmother/father if not actively participating in religious activities.
A person must have permission from the Church Parish (Catholic in my example)

 

[marynnu]

Im not sure about UK, but where I live a person cannot be a godmother/father if not actively participating in religious activities.
A person must have permission from the Church Parish (Catholic in my example)

I don't think anybody minds in the UK!

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Im not sure about UK, but where I live a person cannot be a godmother/father if not actively participating in religious activities.
A person must have permission from the Church Parish (Catholic in my example)

Definitely not true in the UK! Many people do it without any religious connotations at all.

 

[Dotta]

Definitely not true in the UK! Many people do it without any religious connotations at all.

Hmmm
So, what is the point really?

 

[Lincoln34]

Hmmm
So, what is the point really?

It’s really to have folks who will hopefully aid upbringing and be there if you are ever not. I am religious but a couple of my kids’ godparents aren’t. Good kind people though with good values.

 

[Sundial]

Hmmm
So, what is the point really?

Many of our churches now value the Inclusivity of everyone in including those even non-religious. Everyone is welcomed. Many moons ago when I was a young girl; only those who had been baptised/christened could be godparents.
By the time I had my own family, the church was more inclusive and would except those who were willing to pray and believe in the faith of good etc irregardless of their religious background. Some of my children’s godparents are not religious nor have been baptised, yet they would still pray even when my child has been quite unwell/in hospital.

I think it depends where you are (in the uk) and the religion. MOO of course, Church of England, and where I am, anyone who is willing to care, pray and protect someone else’s baby is just as important as religion. Times changed so much and the church’s here have become more inclusive to ALL.
JMO

 

[Sundial]

What another compelling day.
IF GUILTY, and if found to be guilty; the note she wrote could never completely sum up the evil nature of something so utterly disturbing.

MOO if guilty

 

[Dotta]

Many of our churches now value the Inclusivity of everyone in including those even non-religious. Everyone is welcomed. Many moons ago when I was a young girl; only those who had been baptised/christened could be godparents.
By the time I had my own family, the church was more inclusive and would except those who were willing to pray and believe in the faith of good etc irregardless of their religious background. Some of my children’s godparents are not religious nor have been baptised, yet they would still pray even when my child has been quite unwell/in hospital.

I think it depends where you are (in the uk) and the religion. MOO of course, Church of England, and where I am, anyone who is willing to care, pray and protect someone else’s baby is just as important as religion. Times changed so much and the church’s here have become more inclusive to ALL.
JMO

It is all very interesting

 

[Tortoise]

Letby takes a sip of her water and does not reply to this question, staring straight ahead in silence.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Letby is speaking very quietly. She's not looking at Johnson, who's standing at a right angle to her. Instead she's looking straight ahead of her, towards the jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988


These descriptions give me the impression of a habit of contained anger. Like mentally trying to block him.

JMO

 

[bbsaz]

Will Dr Chocs name come out after the verdict?

 

[Sundial]

It is all very interesting

Some many years ago, a relative of mine had a baby that was very unwell. The relative was not baptised and not religious but they told me how even though they weren’t religious, they prayed for the baby to survive. They even had their baby baptised, and many people do take a lot of comfort from this, even when not religious.

Later, said relative became my own child’s godparent; purely because of the love, guidance and hope for good health that my relative would give to my baby. I found from my own experience our church now says, being a godparent is about religion-yes, but that we now recognise it is so much more and the qualities the godparent can provide to the baby, irrespective of their faith.

It’s so lovely, the inclusiveness in todays society.
I heard stories from my grandmother when I was younger who said, in her day they would never let you in church without a hat!! These days (and they have for some while now) they welcome everyone, all faiths, no hats necessary if you don’t want to. It’s become quite modernised, I guess to stay relevant in an ever-changing society.

My experience of course.

 

[Dotta]

Will Dr Chocs name come out after the verdict?

I don't think so.

 

[Sundial]

Will Dr Chocs name come out after the verdict?

I was thinking back to what @CS2C was saying earlier about the trips they were having together; I have a feeling there are more trips/meetings than what we have heard from the reports.

She said earlier in the cross that they hadn’t stayed over in London (dr choc had medical app or something), but when I read what @c was saying, I can’t help but feel as though she’s been a bit, obtuse, about the “we didn’t stay over” comment she made.

To me it reads on that occasion to London they didn’t stay over, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a different occasion where they did. Or an occasion where he stayed at hers.

All seems a bit,. strange to me really. She seems to have gone on more outings/meetings, shopping trips etc with this man she loved like a very close friend (or words to that she described it as) than what we’ve heard about trips etc with her female counterparts.

JMO MOO

 

[Marantz4250b]

Interesting that she kept pets.
2 cats as far as I remember.

She also was a Godmother to some family kids, which indicates a religious person.

Seemed close to parents, visited them often as a neighbour claimed.

A colleague mentioned grateful parents of children she supposedly took good care of in hospital.

So many "faces" of her.

JMO

I'd take slight issue with the point about her being a godmother. It's not really a definite sign of someone being especially religious, tbh. The UK isn't a particularly religious place anymore. Lots of stuff like Christenings and suchlike I think are done simply for tradition and an excuse for a party more than any deep religious significance.

Agreeing to being a Godparent isn't something I'd personally do as I really don't like the whole religious thing, and so wouldn't do something I don't believe in, but many people don't have that strength of feeling and would.

She may of course be deeply religious - none of us really know.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Im not sure about UK, but where I live a person cannot be a godmother/father if not actively participating in religious activities.
A person must have permission from the Church Parish (Catholic in my example)

It's very different here. The whole thing seems often to more be an excuse for a p***-up than anything else, to be quite honest.

 

[Sundial]

I'd take slight issue with the point about her being a godmother. It's not really a definite sign of someone being especially religious, tbh. The UK isn't a particularly religious place anymore. Lots of stuff like Christenings and suchlike I think are done simply for tradition and an excuse for a party more than any deep religious significance.

Agreeing to being a Godparent isn't something I'd personally do as I really don't like the whole religious thing, and so wouldn't do something I don't believe in, but many people don't have that strength of feeling and would.

She may of course be deeply religious - none of us really know.

I have to agree with this too (alongside my other points on the topic upthread)- different relative also had their child christened/baptised and are of the same age group. This other relative is not in the slightest religious (very openly so too!), but the planning etc for the after party seemed to be more of major event.

Baby naming ceremonies, Christening and baby showers etc are increasingly popular these days; religion is quite different to what it once was in the uk IMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't think so.

Me neither. There is a reporting restriction in place and I cannot see why it would be lifted.

It depends on the reason for the restriction, though. If it exists not to protect his identity, as such, but to protect the integrity of another trial or investigation, then it may be when that is concluded.

 

[Sundial]

It's very different here. The whole thing seems often to more be an excuse for a p***-up than anything else, to be quite honest.

My husband actually described it just as this with the next generation of family members. Many in my family are not religious at all and have never stepped foot in any religious environment in their life but plan this huge p*** up with the food, squabbles etc all in the name of a christening. Very different these days.
JMO

 

[minusfour]

Hiding in plain sight. (If guilty of course)

This summation is devastating. I am struggling to breathe reading it, on the other side of the world.

If there is a conviction, will any relevant history about LL be made public?

 

[Parker Knoll]

I suspect the press are sitting on a mountain of stories.
JMO