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IF Guilty, this is one of the biggest cowards I have ever seen. Who is more vulnerable and less of a threat than a newborn baby? And who is more innocent than these babies?
UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #26
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After hearing more and more of the facts about the babies cases, it is hard to read some of those post-it-notes and accept the earlier explanations for the confession type statements. Having to accept that she wrote out those statements---I AM EVIL I DID THIS---and try to see it as anything other than what it actually says, makes no sense anymore.
Her explanation was I was ‘blaming myself but not because I’d done something, because of the way people were making me feel’.
Why didn't she write " they are making me feel evil by blaming me' or something along those lines. But she said literally I AM EVIL' ---her own words written in her own hand.
I DID THIS. <<<<How does that translate to ' people were blaming me for something I didn't do?
It seems the Prosecution's Closing Speech might take the whole week.
Mr NJ KC seems unstoppable like a speeding train!
Not that I'm complaining, mind you!
I'm so glad he firmly appreciated the Doctors, Consulants and Experts.
Bravo!
He even alluded to himself being told off for the "dance" comment haha
Nothing escapes him
JMO
Mr NJ KC seems unstoppable like a speeding train!
Not that I'm complaining, mind you!
I'm so glad he firmly appreciated the Doctors, Consulants and Experts.
Bravo!
He even alluded to himself being told off for the "dance" comment haha
Nothing escapes him
JMO
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And I always took it as a confession.
Because she wrote the note for her eyes only.
Who was she addressing it to ?
Only herself and her conscience.
JMO
Still, can't someone be barking mad but not a murderer? So is LL barking mad, plus something else? MOO of course.
RSBM
If LL is guilty, then she is truly evil, and IMO she would have become a murderer no matter what profession she chose. I think that it was rather the other way around - her evil nature led her to choose a career where helpless victims abounded. JMO IMO MOO etc.
On paper, LL answers questions in a very different way to the drs. I noticed that with Dr G, Dr J and Dr B that the words and explanations 'flowed' out of their mouths and they gladly offered context where they could. Remarkable that they can remember and she can't. Even though they have to oversee every baby at all times plus paeds as well.
Interesting that her former dead dog 'whiskey' should come up when she was having an 'outpouring' about being kicked off the unit. As well as the 'old school teacher' who was described by LL as one of the 'people who are important to her'
Where was this teacher then? Why did she not come forward and advocate for LL as good student and stable child?
That could have positively impacted LL.
But she couldn't really say it to anyone else, could she?
No, I don't think so. I think she swings between admission and denial when trying to sort her head out
'i haven't done anything wrong'
'i killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them'
She leaves ambiguous notes because she only half believes that her own lies are lies.
She seems to like disassociate herself from her acts whilst contemplating the idea of the actual truth.
Jmo
"She assaulted his abdomen, causing his liver to rupture and bleed internally, before injecting air into his stomach and circulation, blocking blood flow to his heart, he claimed.
Within minutes of his death, the barrister said, she was sabotaging his brother, known as Baby P, by overfeeding him milk and injecting air into his feeding tube before she clocked off for the day.
On her way home, Mr Johnson said, Letby ‘lay the ground’ for his murder on her shift at the Countess of Chester Hospital in Chester the following day by ‘gas-lighting’ her colleagues in text messages, writing that she was ‘worried’ as the siblings were ‘identical’."
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Within minutes of his death, the barrister said, she was sabotaging his brother, known as Baby P, by overfeeding him milk and injecting air into his feeding tube before she clocked off for the day.
On her way home, Mr Johnson said, Letby ‘lay the ground’ for his murder on her shift at the Countess of Chester Hospital in Chester the following day by ‘gas-lighting’ her colleagues in text messages, writing that she was ‘worried’ as the siblings were ‘identical’."
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Lucy Letby's chilling note should be taken 'literally', court hears
The neo-natal nurse (pictured) earlier told her trial that she wrote the message, found in her diary, when she was 'panicking' after being moved off her unit
It could also be read in an angry tone, if one suspects she is saying she was "not good enough" to have her band 6 after passing her competencies, like Mel Taylor, Ailsa Simpson, Belinda Simcock, Caroline Oakley, Christopher Booth, Laura Eagles, Minna Lappalainen, and other anonymous nurses including her mentor, for instance.
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Absolutely!
My only concern is that if she's convicted then I think that a lot of the stories we hear might be wildly exaggerated or even totally made up. She'll hardly be able to sue, after all.
What a strange concept to worry about identical twins with no known genetic factors. She was quite put out that they 'rushed the results' too.
Then Dr choc pointing out to her after the 'admin call' that things were not looking terribly normal.
At the beginning of this case I wondered 'why did she stay on admin?' or with the y
trust after all this? But then, you look at the evidence and it's hard not to see LL as a person who was addicted to the power and gratification she got through 'tricking others'' and being believed.
When you then watch her put these poor parents through an 8 month trial when she has no defence, then you really start to see what makes this woman tick. Imo
Yes, she thought they were going to emerge from it looking "silly". IMO
I think she had her default 'lying position' but she was triggered by other staff, not just band 6's (though I agree she would see herself as fitting for that role) but also these attacks often happened when there was a new staff member, a student or someone less experience than her.
It could be that LL wanted to show everyone and anyone how good she was and how others paled in comparison. 'delusions of grandiosity' followed by 'falsification' to yield the ultimate result of 'attention'. Imo
"He questioned why the defence, in cross-examination, had accused Dr Ravi Jayaram and Dr David Harkness of inventing skin discolouration descriptions seen on Child A.
Both doctors had told the court the type of 'flitting' rash seen on Child A "was like nothing they had seen before."
He told the court the descriptions of the rash were also made by other doctors and nurses, who also agreed they had never seen that type of rash before.
Mr Johnson said if the description of the skin discolouration was true, "what purpose" were the attacks on the two doctors' integrity?
He told the court it was to deflect the jury from the evidence, to make it about personalities, and to destabilise Dr Jayaram "who has been an important witness in many cases", including for Child K."
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also see yesterday's live update about this -
He says there is other evidence, not disputed, to back Dr Jayaram's account.
He refers to Letby's July 2018 police interview. Letby had referred to the rash for Child A as a 'rash like' 'reddy-purple' 'more on the side that had his line in - it was his left'.
NJ: "How did Lucy Letby remember that? Because it wasn't actually in her notes - just like Dr Jayaram and Dr Harkness."
Mr Johnson says Letby referred to it as 'normal mottling' and Child A was 'more pale than mottling'. Mr Johnson says that is "a lie".
Mr Johnson says if Letby accepts that as "unusual", it "causes real problems for her defence". He says Letby used the word 'blotchiness' for Child A in police interview. Letby had said 'mottling' and 'blotchiness' were interchangeable.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 20 - prosecution closing speech
Both doctors had told the court the type of 'flitting' rash seen on Child A "was like nothing they had seen before."
He told the court the descriptions of the rash were also made by other doctors and nurses, who also agreed they had never seen that type of rash before.
Mr Johnson said if the description of the skin discolouration was true, "what purpose" were the attacks on the two doctors' integrity?
He told the court it was to deflect the jury from the evidence, to make it about personalities, and to destabilise Dr Jayaram "who has been an important witness in many cases", including for Child K."
[...] [BBM]
Lucy Letby was 'playing god' in neonatal unit, trial hears
Murder-accused neonatal nurse Lucy Letby was 'playing god' at the Countess of Chester Hospital, her trial was told on Tuesday (June 20).
also see yesterday's live update about this -
He says there is other evidence, not disputed, to back Dr Jayaram's account.
He refers to Letby's July 2018 police interview. Letby had referred to the rash for Child A as a 'rash like' 'reddy-purple' 'more on the side that had his line in - it was his left'.
NJ: "How did Lucy Letby remember that? Because it wasn't actually in her notes - just like Dr Jayaram and Dr Harkness."
Mr Johnson says Letby referred to it as 'normal mottling' and Child A was 'more pale than mottling'. Mr Johnson says that is "a lie".
Mr Johnson says if Letby accepts that as "unusual", it "causes real problems for her defence". He says Letby used the word 'blotchiness' for Child A in police interview. Letby had said 'mottling' and 'blotchiness' were interchangeable.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 20 - prosecution closing speech
Yes very strange about the table of 11 police officers following the case at a table in the court? Also, if there were between 300-400 babies in the NNU between 2015-2016 and I can imagine many of those parents have requested their baby's files.
When you think LL was nursing for years before that also, how many others will come forward? <modsnip - sub judice discussion of something not presented at trial>
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I suppose that will depend on whether she is arrested again straight away after the verdict has been reached.
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