Mr Johnson turns to the case of Child C.
He says Dr John Gibbs first gave evidence on Halloween 2022. He was asked if Child C should have been treated at a tertiary centre. Dr Gibbs replied it depended on what caused Child C's collapse. He denied that in any event it would have been more suitable for Child C to be treated there.
Mr Johnson says there has been no evidence presented to suggest the babies in this case would have been better treated at a tertiary unit. [The Countess of Chester Hospital being a Level 2 unit at the time].
Mr Johnson says the jury should ask if there had been any specific shortcomings for the babies in each case.
He says the babies would have been better off away from Lucy Letby. He says that may have been what Dr Gibbs meant.
10:53am
Mr Johnson says Child C, a baby boy, was "born in good condition" and "made good progress" and was "handling well".
A nursing family communication note on June 12, for 6.30pm, 'parnets spent most of the day with [Child C]...enjoyed kangaroo care most of the afternoon' - Mr Johnson says this was a good sign.
Dr Kathryn Davies was asked about traces of bile found. She was asked, in evidence, if that was a sign the baby would later collapse. She replied: "Absolutely not." Mr Johnson tells the court she said Child C's abdomen was soft, and if he had an abdominal problem, it would be sore, but he was handling well, and his other observations were stable, which was why he had been out for kangaroo care.
By June 13, 2015, Child C was given tiny milk feeds 'to get things moving' in the gut.
10:55am
"Witness after witness" gave evidence to say the bile aspirates were "very small", and the "black colour" was "altered blood", not bile. Dr Gibbs said the blood had come from inflammation in the stomach, and Child C was given a drug to treat that.
Mr Johnson says the jury know, as a fact, from Dr Andreas Marnerides, that Child C did not have a problem with his gut, as there was no sign of infection or sepsis. There was no evidence of Child C having had an obstruction in his bowel.
"This is not a case of NEC," he adds.
10:59am
Nurse Yvonne Griffiths described Child C as an active baby who was "happiest" when receiving kangaroo care, and nurse Sophie Ellis said Child C was "feisty".
Mr Johnson says all the treating staff for Child C said he was doing very well - on the three days Letby was not on the unit.
He says within a few hours of Letby coming on to the unit, Child C collapsed, and within a few hours of that collapse, died.
Mr Johnson said Dr Gibbs could not explain how Child C's heart could have restarted after the collapse, as it did not follow any natural disease process.
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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